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Here is a timeline from 20 BC to 30 AD. Every year is shown, and please note, there is no year zero. The scale is fairly small to fit it all in so I hope it can be read. Please check out the scriptures shown, and lets discuss the likely years of Jesus’ birth and death.

http://5loaves2fishes.net/files/images/46years.png
 
Here is a timeline from 20 BC to 30 AD. Every year is shown, and please note, there is no year zero. The scale is fairly small to fit it all in so I hope it can be read. Please check out the scriptures shown, and lets discuss the likely years of Jesus’ birth and death.

http://5loaves2fishes.net/files/images/46years.png
There are already several threads running on this topic. If you do a search you will find them.

As for myself, although the dates of the birth and death of Jesus would be interesting to know they are not important and would have no impact on my faith or salvation.
 
No need, in my mind, to discuss…the “when” of the incarnation is insignificant in the Salvation Plan, and time is a frame of reference created for the shortcomings of human understanding; God lives outside time.

Peace and all good!
 
Well, of course, the details *“have no impact on our faith or salvation.” * I have to agree. :tiphat:

However, the English remember the signing of the Magna Carta (June 15, 1215) and the French remember Bastile Day (July 14, 1790) and the Americans remember Independence (July 4, 1776) but the Christians don’t think dates are particularly important? I can’t agree with that.
 
Well, of course, the details *“have no impact on our faith or salvation.” * I have to agree. :tiphat:

However, the English remember the signing of the Magna Carta (June 15, 1215) and the French remember Bastile Day (July 14, 1790) and the Americans remember Independence (July 4, 1776) but the Christians don’t think dates are particularly important? I can’t agree with that.
Only if taking a lower level survey History course in college. The “why” is the more important bit of info than the “when”.
 
Tiberius’ reign began in August of A.D. 14, for one.
True, but there are good reasons to believe that St. Luke (Lk 3:1-3) was counting from his co-regency arrangement with his aging father in AD 12.
 
Well, of course, the details *“have no impact on our faith or salvation.” * I have to agree. :tiphat:

However, the English remember the signing of the Magna Carta (June 15, 1215) and the French remember Bastile Day (July 14, 1790) and the Americans remember Independence (July 4, 1776) but the Christians don’t think dates are particularly important? I can’t agree with that.
Who Jesus is and why he walked among us is important, not the date of his birth and death.
 
Well, of course, the details *“have no impact on our faith or salvation.” * I have to agree. :tiphat:

However, the English remember the signing of the Magna Carta (June 15, 1215) and the French remember Bastile Day (July 14, 1790) and the Americans remember Independence (July 4, 1776) but the Christians don’t think dates are particularly important? I can’t agree with that.
I don’t think the granularity of the available information allows determination to exact day and year.
 
I don’t think the granularity of the available information allows determination to exact day and year.
Not in the case of Jesus’ birth, because we don’t know how long Herod survived after his Bethlehem atrocity.

In the case of Christs death, however, we have accurate phases of the moon to go by. Astronomers tell us when a Passover full moon occurred on a Thursday/Friday. (Thursday evening being his last supper, and Friday being his crucifixion)
 
Not in the case of Jesus’ birth, because we don’t know how long Herod survived after his Bethlehem atrocity.

In the case of Christs death, however, we have accurate phases of the moon to go by. Astronomers tell us when a Passover full moon occurred on a Thursday/Friday. (Thursday evening being his last supper, and Friday being his crucifixion)
Do you have a link to the source of your timeline graphic in the OP?
 
Yes, if you go to this article, scroll down and click on the little graphics on the right-hand-side. They should bring you to the timeline in question. Actually, the whole article is helpful to this subject.
 
Not in the case of Jesus’ birth, because we don’t know how long Herod survived after his Bethlehem atrocity.

In the case of Christs death, however, we have accurate phases of the moon to go by. Astronomers tell us when a Passover full moon occurred on a Thursday/Friday. (Thursday evening being his last supper, and Friday being his crucifixion)
It’s not as easy as you would think, since in the 1st century, the calendar was not based on calculation as it is now, but observation. Since the months were reckoned strictly according to the phases of the moon (though the number of months were adjusted to bring the calendar into agreement with the solar year by inserting an extra ‘intercalary’ month every two or three years, otherwise the calendar would go out of wack), observers had to look for the first faintly glowing lunar crescent following conjunction with the sun - since after all you couldn’t really see a new moon. When ancient authorities fixed the date of Passover, they not only considered the visibility of the moon, but also the season as determined by temperature and the growth of crops: an extra month would have been inserted by the priests (who were responsible for this sort of thing) if unseasonably cold temperatures meant that barley could not be offered during the festival. Now we don’t know what atmospheric conditions were exactly like 2000 years ago, and those helped determine the calendar. Ancient Jews knew when to start looking: the new moon did not ever surprise anyone, but still, if observers had to see it, they had to see it. Which introduces some uncertainty.

If we calculate astronomically, the best candidate for Jesus’ death is April 3rd (Nisan 14), AD 33. (This is of course assuming John’s chronology, where Jesus died on the Preparation day before Passover, rather than the synoptics, where He dies on Passover itself - Nisan 15.) In fact, some people do favor this date (alongside the people who say that Jesus died on 30 and those who say He died on 36 and any other date in between). But in fact, we cannot be sure that modern astronomical retrojection of the Jewish calendar agrees with how dates were actually calculated in the 1st century. (And there’s of course the issue of which chronology is right: John or the synoptics.)

The only thing we know for sure about Jesus’ death is that it happened somewhere during the latter years of the prefecture of Pontius Pilate (AD 26-36) and the high priesthood of Joseph Caiaphas (AD 18-36). Any specific date beyond that is in the realm of theory.
 
Here is a timeline from 20 BC to 30 AD. Every year is shown, and please note, there is no year zero. The scale is fairly small to fit it all in so I hope it can be read. Please check out the scriptures shown, and lets discuss the likely years of Jesus’ birth and death.

http://5loaves2fishes.net/files/images/46years.png
I’d nitpick the graphic for a bit. It’s a popular idea that Jesus’ ministry lasted for three (to be more exact, three and a half) years, but this doesn’t come from the gospels at all, but from a patristic interpretation of Daniel’s prophecy of the Seventy Weeks (9:24-27).

The synoptic gospels record only one Passover (though there are kind of two hints of the passing of springtimes); John, on the other hand, records three (2:13; 6:4; 11:55ff.): John’s Jesus begins His ministry and cleanses the temple just before and during the first Passover, the feeding of the five thousand occurs in the second, and the last Passover marks the end of Jesus’ ministry. But John’s chronology doesn’t exactly add up to three years either. Reading it literally, it would give you a more or less two-year ministry.

Late March-late April (Spring): First Passover (2:13)
??: Unnamed “feast of the Jews” (5:1)

(One year later)
Late March-late April (Spring): Second Passover (6:4)
Late September-late October (Autumn): Booths (7:1ff.)
Late November-late December (Winter): Dedication (10:22ff.)

(Two years later)
Late March-late April (Spring): Third Passover (11:55ff.)

(See how consistent and smooth John’s chronological flow is?)

There are a few ways you can get a three year or more ministry out of John, but IMHO that would kind of require you to read beyond the text and slightly contort it some ways. Some people actually try to identify the unspecified “a/the feast of the Jews” in 5:1 as a Passover (thus giving you four Passovers = three years), but then again, it’s so unspecific a description you could identify with just about any important Jewish festival, at least one that warrants Jesus’ presence in Jerusalem: Booths or Sukkoth in autumn (September-October), one of the three pilgrimage feasts, is another viable candidate.

(One might also add this reasoning: why didn’t John just say outright that it was a Passover if it really was? He cared to name the other three instances, why - uncharacteristically - leave this one unnamed? On the other hand, you might point out that John repeatedly refers to the Sukkoth of chapter 7 as “the feast,” which is somewhat more consistent with chapter 5’s “a/the feast of the Jews.” Also, Jesus’ saying in John 4:35-38 about the harvest has been taken as a sign that this scene could have taken place just before the spring grain harvest: ergo, the feast of 5:1 must be Passover. But Israel actually has two growing seasons: the grain - barley and wheat - harvest in the spring (Passover-Pentecost) and the other, main harvest in autumn (Sukkoth). Plus, it isn’t certain that Jesus intended to make any statement about the time of year at all; for all we know He is just applying a common proverb to the harvest of ripe souls.)
 
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If we calculate astronomically, the best candidate for Jesus’ death is April 3rd (Nisan 14), AD 33.
How do you deal with Eusebius, who mentions the destruction of the temple (AD 70) occurring 40 years after Christs death?
It may be proper to mention also those events which exhibited the graciousness of that all-good Providence which held back their destruction full forty years after their crime against Christ. (Eusebius Book 3, ch 7)
 
How do you deal with Eusebius, who mentions the destruction of the temple (AD 70) occurring 40 years after Christs death?
It may be proper to mention also those events which exhibited the graciousness of that all-good Providence which held back their destruction full forty years after their crime against Christ. (Eusebius Book 3, ch 7)
Well, on the other hand Origen says: “I challenge anyone to prove my statement untrue if I say that the entire Jewish nation was destroyed less than one whole generation later on account of these sufferings which they inflicted upon Jesus. For it was, I believe, forty-two years from the time when they crucified Jesus to the destruction of Jerusalem” (Against Celsus 4.22) :cool:

Nobody really disputes the belief that an approximately forty year gap elapsed between Jesus’ death in the 30s and the destruction of Jerusalem in the 70s, because it’s so entrenched in the tradition. But of course, ‘forty’ could be a round number here.
 
Well, on the other hand Origen says: “I challenge anyone to prove my statement untrue if I say that the entire Jewish nation was destroyed less than one whole generation later on account of these sufferings which they inflicted upon Jesus. For it was, I believe, forty-two years from the time when they crucified Jesus to the destruction of Jerusalem” (Against Celsus 4.22) :cool:

Nobody really disputes the belief that an approximately forty year gap elapsed between Jesus’ death in the 30s and the destruction of Jerusalem in the 70s, because it’s so entrenched in the tradition. But of course, ‘forty’ could be a round number here.
Eusebius was referencing the destruction of the temple in AD 70, whereas Origen was speaking of “the entire Jewish nation.” Some insurrections continued several more years through Judea. So I do not see a these 2 reports as being either approximate or contradictory.

Also, an AD 30 crucifixion date fits very well with the 46 years comment made at the beginning of Christ’s Ministry. Assuming his ministry was 3 years long as shown, the timeline works.
 
Eusebius was referencing the destruction of the temple in AD 70, whereas Origen was speaking of “the entire Jewish nation.” Some insurrections continued several more years through Judea. So I do not see a these 2 reports as being either approximate or contradictory.

Also, an AD 30 crucifixion date fits very well with the 46 years comment made at the beginning of Christ’s Ministry. Assuming his ministry was 3 years long as shown, the timeline works.
Have you read the quote carefully? “It was, I believe, forty-two years from the time when they crucified Jesus to the destruction of Jerusalem.” When Christians spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem, it invariably meant the event of AD 70. (Very often the events of 70 and the later revolts are conflated.) Clement of Alexandria reckoned the same (forty-two years, three months) in the Stromata 1.145.5:

From Julius Caesar, therefore, to the death of Commodus, are two hundred and thirty-six years, six months. And the whole from Romulus, who founded Rome, till the death of Commodus, amounts to nine hundred and fifty-three years, six months. And our Lord was born in the twenty-eighth year, when first the census was ordered to be taken in the reign of Augustus. And to prove that this is true, it is written in the Gospel by Luke as follows: “And in the fifteenth year, in the reign of Tiberius Caesar, the word of the Lord came to John, the son of Zacharias.” And again in the same book: “And Jesus was coming to His baptism, being about thirty years old,” and so on. And that it was necessary for Him to preach only a year, this also is written: “He hath sent Me to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.” This both the prophet spake, and the Gospel. Accordingly, in fifteen years of Tiberius and fifteen years of Augustus; so were completed the thirty years till the time He suffered. And from the time that He suffered till the destruction of Jerusalem are forty-two years and three months; and from the destruction of Jerusalem to the death of Commodus, a hundred and twenty-eight years, ten months, and three days. From the birth of Christ, therefore, to the death of Commodus are, in all, a hundred and ninety-four years, one month, thirteen days.

On the other hand, in his Commentary on Matthew (just written about the same time as Against Celsus), Origen - on the authority of the author Phlegon of Tralles - calculated that forty years elapsed between “the fifteenth year of Tiberius” and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70: Circa quadragesimum annum a quinto decimo anno Tiberii Caesaris facta est destructio Hierusalem et templi quod fuit in ea. Subtracting three years’ worth of Jesus’ ministry and the forty days from His resurrection to ascension from this forty-year period, Origen arrived at thirty-five years, the half of seventy. Origen’s interpretation of the prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - “And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering” (this was also the basis for Eusebius’ belief that Jesus’ ministry lasted for three and a half years, for the record) - reckons the last week (in the middle of which sacrifice and offering were to cease) at seventy years reaching from the advent of Christ to the destruction of Jerusalem on AD 70.

Also re. the forty six years: in Antiquities, Josephus says that the construction of the temple began in Herod’s eighteenth year (Antiquities 15.380) coinciding with the arrival of Augustus in Syria (Ant. 15.254), which as per Dio Cassius, occurred in 20/19 BC (5.7.-46). (Earlier, in Jewish War (1.401), Josephus gave a slightly different date: “In the fifteenth year of his reign, Herod rebuilt the temple, and encompassed a piece of land about it with a wall, which land was twice as large as that before enclosed” - 23/22 BC.)

There are actually two Greek words for the temple: hieron, which encompassed the whole temple complex (the sanctuary proper and the courts) and was not completed until AD 63/64 under Herod Agrippa II and the governor Albinus (Ant. 20.219), and naos, the sanctuary proper which according to Josephus was completed by the priests within one year and six months (18/17 BC; Ant. 15.421). John uses the same distinction in his gospel between hieron and naos. Which is why the translation in some modern Bibles - “It has taken forty six years to build this temple (naos)” - is actually incorrect.

This is where you get into another issue: did the cleansing of the Temple happen at the first Passover of Jesus’ ministry - as in John - or the last - as in the synoptics? (Assuming that there were not two separate cleansings, that is.) In other words, assuming that the cleansing was a single event, was it John who moved the event at the beginning (which is what many scholars seem to think now) or the synoptics who moved it to Jesus’ last Passover (which is also possible)? Consequently, does the forty-sixth year since the naos was built refer to the year Jesus’ ministry began, or the year that it ended?
 
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