Tired of Evangelicals

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Personally I am tired of these evangelical protestants trying to convince me to leave my “wicked Catholic” ways. In the last two days I have had two make this attempt, both to the same futile end, for I cannot deny the truth.

What makes it worse is that both of these men were former Catholics, reprobates, even heretics if you will, for they have denied the truth which they knew at first.

So, what do you think, counter-evangalize and attempt to bring them back to the Catholic Church or leave them to their sin?
 
As a revert to the faith I think it is best to not think of them as in sin as most people just have mis-understandings. They reject what they think is the Church not what it really is.

I came back to the Church because of my brother leaving the Church and coming up with some crazy notions of what it taught. Which made me investigate it and then I had to be Catholic. Best decision I ever made.

It is best to be charitable, not judge but dialogue with them in a loving manner. They might be trying to convert you out of genuine concern for you. Treat them with respect and study with them their disagreements with the Church. Since the Church is true, if you guys are honest in your studies, the truth will stand out.

God Bless
Scylla
 
The ethic of love doesn’t allow you to leave someone in his sin. The only Christian option is to counter-evangelize. But do it in love, not in party spirit or vengeance. ❤️
 
Yes, don’t give up on them.

Remember, when you have discussions with them, your first goal (outside of being charitable) is to EXPLAIN rather than convince.

They likely never truly understood Catholic teaching. If you can present at least what the Church teaches, with some supporting Scripture, they eventually may come around.
 
Anytime we are approached by people from another faith it is a time to evangelize. The person that has approached us has just opened the door for religious discussion and will not ignore you. Our part is to be the best Catholic to them that we can be. Christ’s love needs to flow from us to them.
 
I say do your best to reevangelize to them. It may and probably will go with lost cause but at least you tried.

I have found that Ex-Catholics that have left the Church to be an Evangelical are far worse and cutting down the Church then those who were never Catholic to begin with. I know of 2 that have in the past tried to get me to “See the Light” as they like to say. However, it didn’t happen. Unfortunately, in my case I don’t ever see these 2 people ever returning to the Church. It is sad but they almost have a Hatred to the Church now that they have become Evangelical.
 
It is true, a few years back it was all the rage in my town for Catholics to leave the Church for these evangelical groups. We were then blessed with some great communicators for Priests in the next few years and by the grace of God I think the trend was stopped.

At my sister’s wedding recently I was talking to one of these friends of the family and when it came up that I was planning on entering the seminary she was actually quite nice about the need for more people of God (needless to say she said nothing about the sacramental Priesthood) and I was pleasantly surprised. I think a lot of it may be posturing and many ex-Catholics still recognize the need for Christ in today’s society. I know re-evangelization from ex-Catholics who have become protestants or athiests (obviously I feel this one is worse) is something I feel is extremely important as they are at the greatest risk, I pray for this almost every day before Blessed Bishop John Neumann and I would encourage you all to pray for this intercession.
 
thank you everyone, as you can guess it is very frusterating. These people postureing that they know better what I think and feel about the Church than I do, especially when they couldn’t even hold onto the truth when they were part of the Church but rather let it slip away.

Of the two who I am dealing with one is quite pleasant. The other so far comes across as an acolyte of Jack Chick and claims that he “saw the light” after sixteen years of Catholic School and several years in the Seminary. He really makes me sad, that he allowed himself to be decieved and drawn away from God’s call for him. Anyhow, I guess I should just bite the bullet and open up the storehouse of the Church’s teachings for him, that is right after I brush up on my apologetics. 👍
 
But for Grace:
Personally I am tired of these evangelical protestants trying to convince me to leave my “wicked Catholic” ways. In the last two days I have had two make this attempt, both to the same futile end, for I cannot deny the truth.

What makes it worse is that both of these men were former Catholics, reprobates, even heretics if you will, for they have denied the truth which they knew at first.

So, what do you think, counter-evangalize and attempt to bring them back to the Catholic Church or leave them to their sin?
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I have reached a point where the “evangelicals” could care less what religion I am part of, actually that was the very first day I walked through their door. Far worse then being wicked, reprobated, etc is to become irrelevant. At that point one no longer exists no matter what. One is even outside the arms of Christ. I dont believe that but from a “fellowship” stand point is quite painful.
 
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briand:
I have reached a point where the “evangelicals” could care less what religion I am part of, actually that was the very first day I walked through their door. Far worse then being wicked, reprobated, etc is to become irrelevant. At that point one no longer exists no matter what. One is even outside the arms of Christ. I dont believe that but from a “fellowship” stand point is quite painful.
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Yeah, no one has ever witnessed to me:crying: I’ve learned all these great comebacks on these forums and I’ve never been able to use them in real life:yawn:
 
I did not say that, but the whining thing is quite common, I got that last time I dared weep for a dead family member, something I will never do again in a church setting. My point was after 24 years of service in church getting chucked out and ignored, and watching others go through much much worse. I have learned a great deal on these forums I went from loathing the Catholic church to where I am now. I think you may be missing the whole point, I use to think we were a family, I dont think that anymore.
 
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Genesis315:
Yeah, no one has ever witnessed to me:crying: I’ve learned all these great comebacks on these forums and I’ve never been able to use them in real life:yawn:
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I had a long response but Im sure it would be viewed as pathetic. I hope God blesses you and your family.
 
Evangelize them with love and with your life. This is an awesome oportunity you have to introduce them to Christ in a new and profound way, in the Blessed Sacrament. They can actually be in the physical presence of Jesus Christ whom they love so dearly!
 
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briand:
I had a long response but Im sure it would be viewed as pathetic. I hope God blesses you and your family.
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Haha, no worries. I was joking around anyway–except for the fact that I’ve never been “evangelized” like everyone seems to have been.
 
But for Grace:
Personally I am tired of these evangelical protestants trying to convince me to leave my “wicked Catholic” ways. In the last two days I have had two make this attempt, both to the same futile end, for I cannot deny the truth.

What makes it worse is that both of these men were former Catholics, reprobates, even heretics if you will, for they have denied the truth which they knew at first.

So, what do you think, counter-evangalize and attempt to bring them back to the Catholic Church or leave them to their sin?
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Absolutely! Give them the TRUTH, as we are all called to do. That may very well be why they were sent to you. However, I would loose the judgemental thoughts (reprobases, heretics, etc.) Answer their challanges in the charity and kindness of Christ. You may find that it strengthens your faith as well.

Here is a good resource for answering them: catholic.com/library.asp
 
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Genesis315:
Haha, no worries. I was joking around anyway–except for the fact that I’ve never been “evangelized” like everyone seems to have been.
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Do you live in a metropolitan area in the Northeast? Evangelizing Protestants are encountered–in my experience–in the South and Midwest and in more rural areas. The phenomenon tends to be much less common in the metropolitan areas of the Northeastern states.
 
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What makes it worse is that both of these men were former Catholics, reprobates, even heretics if you will, for they have denied the truth which they knew at first.
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Oh, my sainted aunt - as my grandmother used to say.

For those unsure of the definitions of “reprobate” : 😃

dictionary.reference.com/search?q=reprobate

C’mon, But for Grace*…reprobates*?
I am fascinated, contemplating what term might be
employed for an actual apostate.

I mean, “reprobate” seems to be the “…furthest
possible point…” to borrow from Wodehouse. 🤓

But, then, I keep forgetting how important grace is,
in recognizing reprobates when one sees them.

God have mercy on us all.

reen12
aka Tiny Tim
 
for those who are intrested:

Reprobate
REPROBATE, a. [L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.]
  1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.
Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer 6.
  1. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.
They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.
  1. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2 Tim 3.
REP’ROBATE, n. A person abandoned to sin; one lost to virtue and religion.

I acknowledge myself a reprobate, a villain, a traitor to the king.

REP’ROBATE, v.t.
  1. To disapprove with detestation or marks of extreme dislike; to disallow; to reject. It expresses more than disapprove or disallow. We disapprove of slight faults and improprieties; we reprobate what is mean or criminal.
  2. In a milder sense, to disallow.
Such an answer as this, is reprobated and disallowed of in law.
  1. To abandon to wickedness and eternal destruction.
  2. To abandon to his sentence, without hope of pardon.
Drive him out to reprobated exile. (Noah Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of American English)

so yes, reprobate is the term that I wished to use here.
 
Dear But For Grace,
quote: But For Grace

for those who are intrested:

Reprobate
REPROBATE, a. [L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.]
  1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.
Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer 6.
  1. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.
They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.
  1. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2 Tim 3.
REP’ROBATE, n. A person abandoned to sin; one lost to virtue and religion.

I acknowledge myself a reprobate, a villain, a traitor to the king.

REP’ROBATE, v.t.
  1. To disapprove with detestation or marks of extreme dislike; to disallow; to reject. It expresses more than disapprove or disallow. We disapprove of slight faults and improprieties; we reprobate what is mean or criminal.
  2. In a milder sense, to disallow.
Such an answer as this, is reprobated and disallowed of in law.
  1. To abandon to wickedness and eternal destruction.
  2. To abandon to his sentence, without hope of pardon.
Drive him out to reprobated exile. (Noah Webster’s 1828 Dictionary of American English)

so yes, reprobate is the term that I wished to use here.
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Why am I not surprised? 😦

God have mercy on us all,

reen12
aka Tiny Tim:tiphat:
 
But for Grace:
Personally I am tired of these evangelical protestants trying to convince me to leave my “wicked Catholic” ways.
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OH you have been to one of my family reunions. I converted several years ago. My brother the Evangelical Deacon and my sister the Evangelical “organized religions degrade women.” and my sister the Evangelical “We are starting our own church with a woman pastor” love to gang up on me when I go home…needless to say, they can not figure out why I don’t go home a lot.

But when they do gang up on me, I just remind them that Christ started the Catholic Church with Peter and that their church is a sub-set or mine. That usually shuts them up for a couple of hours.

Be strong. Evangalize them with your actions.
 
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