Tired of no Confiteor and exclusive use of Apostle's Creed

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When the new translation took effect my pastor stopped using the Confiteor and the Nicene Creed altogether and one of our associates followed his lead. This saddens me a great deal. I am so darned tired of him making the Mass as utilitarian as possible. The quicker and less solemn the better. Has anyone else experienced this since the change?
 
Our change has been somewhat the opposite. We used the Nicene Creed, but said the Confiteor only once in a while. Father Pat started practicing the new translation with the daily Mass attenders last fall, and at that point we went to saying the Confiteor at every Mass.
 
I know how you feel. Although we use the new translations, many parishioners tend to reduce the differences between the old and the new by de-emphasizing some things, and using songs of the old translation. One way they do this is by not striking their breasts at the mea culpa part, another way is by saying: “…for the praise and glory of His name, for our good and the good of all His church”, instead of “…His Holy church”. Sometimes we skip the confiteor altogether. Other times we use choruses in our language for Lamb of God and unfortunately these were derived fro the old translations.
I don’t know if there’s anything you can do about this, but I hope that things will change this Easter season.🤷
 
My parents’ church used the old version of the Confiteor at a Penance service, and I was trying to say it the correct way even though I’ve said the new one at other churches I’ve attended but had to go along with the rest saying it the old way. The church I have been going to more regularly has used both creeds but yet I’ve not noticed the Confiteor but we have used other forms of the Penitential options available.
 
Jegudiel said:
When the new translation took effect my pastor stopped using the Confiteor and the Nicene Creed altogether and one of our associates followed his lead. This saddens me a great deal. I am so darned tired of him making the Mass as utilitarian as possible. The quicker and less solemn the better. Has anyone else experienced this since the change?
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My neighboring parish is using the AC, but I later found out it is a legitimate option during Lent (cf. docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:oWyCx3TUTgUJ:old.usccb.org/romanmissal/order-of-mass.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiVVm2CirLeomjsOiQIAsyyHMrlGzMN7azdB-OsakTrK75tO2-1xh69JzEH-xVHJOt3bUllTag8cJmsieF2RZOIa1hATSRA3FHzx-NUj2fwoWL6qUtkf_oD1WnYSjgIvFpgUMKZ&sig=AHIEtbSBi9YHBwe6f28UGMWD5xLeXzng8A [pdf], scroll down to page 11, number 19: “Instead of the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed, especially during Lent and Easter Time, the baptismal Symbol of the Roman Church, known as the Apostles’ Creed, may be used.”)

The habitual avoidance of the Confiteor is, again, the exercise of a legitimate option.

I find all of this quite amusing. Just when people are starting to come back to church, just when repetition leads to mastery, just when the new translation expresses things in a clearer and more edifying way, the liturgists are pulling the rug out from under us.
 
Our church hasn’t used the confiteor in years. I nearly forgot about it!
 
We switched to the Apostles Creed and to a different form of the penitential rite for Lent. At the same time we have the Sacntus and the Agnus Dei in Latin. Probably after Lent we will go back to the Nicene Creed, the Confiteor and the Sanctus will probably be in the vernacular.
 
I thought it wasn’t licit to replace the Nicene with the Apostles’ Creed on Sunday/Holy Day masses.
 
The priest at my parish let us know we would use the Apostles Creed during Lent, then switch back to the Nicene Creed that we used before Lent began. Now if we can start using the new Confiteor…
 
In my parish, the choir always sings the Kyrie, so the Confiteor is used almost exclusively on Sundays. At the “through my fault/mea culpa,” everyone strikes their breast three times. Under the old translation, practically nobody did that.
 
I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and in what I have failed to do,

And, striking their breast, they say:

through my fault, through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;

therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.

During a training session at my parish an older lady said “I thought we were past this!” with regard to saying “through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault” while striking our breasts. In response my pastor looked rather confused. That and the fact it shortens the Mass is why we will never hear the Confiteur again when he or the associate is the celebrant. That and the total loss of the Nicene Creed anger me.
 
We use the Apostles Creed during lent and the Nicene Creed the rest of the year unless it is a children’s mass.

Since the new translation took over we have stooped using the Confiteor and The Roman Canon.
 
fms said:
Who Has the Authority to Change the Liturgy? | Catholic Answers

Legitimate options exercised that ‘we do no like’ gives us another opportunity to ‘kill self’.

Obedience is better than Sacrifice.
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What’s being “changed?” From what the OP has described, the priests at her parish have decided to use other options that seem, at least from what has been posted, to be totally legitimate.

In charity to the OP, it really isn’t your choice what option of the penitential rite is used. It is the decision of the presider. You might not like his choice, but as long as it is one of the approved forms, there’s no reason to be upset.
 
929dad said:
What’s being “changed?” From what the OP has described, the priests at her parish have decided to use other options that seem, at least from what has been posted, to be totally legitimate.

In charity to the OP, it really isn’t your choice what option of the penitential rite is used. It is the decision of the presider. You might not like his choice, but as long as it is one of the approved forms, there’s no reason to be upset.
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I am always amazed that the people who scream ‘charity’ are the ones who come out with the guns blazing.

Original OP: Confiteor used to be said now it isn’t: that’s the change and she (not I) is tired.

My post is that if the change is legitimate, we go with it even if ‘we long for the days gone by’.

The link was provided as a resource to determine legitimacy of the change.

Who are you referring to as being upset? If you are referring to me, I do not know how you got that.

In your ‘charity’ please try to understand where people are coming from or ask them to clarify before judging.
 
929dad said:
What’s being “changed?” From what the OP has described, the priests at her parish have decided to use other options that seem, at least from what has been posted, to be totally legitimate.

In charity to the OP, it really isn’t your choice what option of the penitential rite is used. It is the decision of the presider. You might not like his choice, but as long as it is one of the approved forms, there’s no reason to be upset.
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Yeah, you’re right it is. I still resent the fact that I will never hear the Confiteur or the Nicene Creed at Mass until he leaves in 6 years. Yes, I know he wants the Mass at short as possible. Yes I know he doesn’t want to offend anyone with the Confiteur but it still bothers me that I will not hear either when he is the celebrant.
 
We have not used the new Confieor since Advent. If it is his intention to never use it, we are going to all look odd if/when a new priest comes in. Since I listen to Mass daily elsewhere, I hear it all the time. But never on Sunday. :rolleyes:
 
The priest who is presently providing pastoral care to our parish uses the Confiteor more often than I would have expected, although he does opt for the shortest option at times.

As for the Nicene Creed, well, I’m in Canada where, for decades, the Apostle’s Creed was allowed by indult. I’ve been my present parish for 14 years and in that time I’ve heard the Nicene ~ 5 times, usually recited by visiting priests. Since the new translation came into effect, I’ve heard it twice or three times because it’s the first one on the pew card and Fr. was well into it before he realized he’d picked ‘the wrong one’. 😃 So, I have had to say ‘consubstantial’ at least 3 times.
 
fms said:
I am always amazed that the people who scream ‘charity’ are the ones who come out with the guns blazing.

Original OP: Confiteor used to be said now it isn’t: that’s the change and she (not I) is tired.

My post is that if the change is legitimate, we go with it even if ‘we long for the days gone by’.

The link was provided as a resource to determine legitimacy of the change.

Who are you referring to as being upset? If you are referring to me, I do not know how you got that.

In your ‘charity’ please try to understand where people are coming from or ask them to clarify before judging.
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Who am I judging? I’ve read time and time again on these forums people offering the reminder that Mass isn’t centered on us. I fully understand that the OP is frustrated by the reasons for using other options. Personally, I agree that trying to shorten the Mass is a really bad reason, but I also recognize that it is the Priest’s job to make these choices, not mine. There aren’t “guns blazing” in that thought.
 
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