Tired of struggling with my 18 year old

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My oldest son who is 18 now is driving me nuts. All he does now is run all night and sleep all day. He will not even try to get a job anymore. He has had 3 tickets and a wreck all in the last 9 months. I gave him one week to find a job or I will have to kick him out of the house and he has done nothing. Well the day is coming up and my wife will not let me kick him out now. I have taken his truck now and going to sell it. Next I am canceling the cell phone and going to clean his room out. But when I mentioned that my wife thinks that that is what he wants so he can play the victom to his friends. He is a good kid for the most part, but seems to have a lot of anger and resintment because some of his friends have more stuff or the parents do more stuff with them or something. I have 7 children and my own business which is struggling right now and I am not going to buy a bunch of play toys. He can get a job and buy them his self. He is not on drugs because I tested him. I am at a total loss since my wife is afraid to let me do anything. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
Myown,

Have you talked to him about the Military? Any branch would offer discipline and focus. I was in the Air Force and this is the way I viewed things:

Army and Marines: Primary for discipline and focus: Secondary training – travel.

Air Force: Navy: Primary Training and Travel – secondary discipline and focus.

Hope this helps but it may be that you need to have “tough love”. The more is treated like a young child the longer he will continue to act as one.

Winter
 
My guess is this is something that has gone on for a while and it would be difficult/unfair to make ultimatums or change the rules.

High school graduate? Was college or work ever considered or discussed while he was in high school?
 
The way my parents handled it was this: Either you work at school, you work at your job, or you help around here with the other work. If you’re staying more than two weeks, it is one of the above. Most of us figured that we’d rather be getting a degree or get paid to work than to work for free for Mom and Dad. I’m going to suggest that you and your wife get together and agree on implementing the following. If you’re going to make this stick, you need her on the same page with you. If your son can get his parents at cross-purposes, though, he can manipulate the situation to his liking. The second-best plan is better than the best, if the second-best is the one the parents can agree on.

Here is what I’d suggest that you and your wife do. You can ever role-play before you try it with your son:

Sit down with your son and ask him to be frank with you: what does he see as his current situation and what situation does he hope to reach? If his answer is not sustainable, encourage him to extend that out five and ten years. You don’t have to take everything he says at face value, but you do want to avoid going into this without knowing what his take on the situation is. Avoid reacting to what he says, because I wager he’s going to come up with some astonishingly self-centered or unrealistic view of his near future. If he has goals that you find contain some realism, then tell him that he, you, and your wife are going to need to think about how to make those happen. If his goals aren’t realistic, then you can say, “Well, I don’t think that is realistic, but let’s leave that for another conversation, so you have some time to pencil out how you’re going to do that.” If he says “I don’t know”, then say, “OK, well, work on that. We’d like to help you get where you want to be, but where that is has to be up to you.”

Then, be frank with him: He is now an adult in your house, and this means he has one of three choices, if he wants to keep getting free room and board: full time school (with good grades) or full time work, with a reasonable amount of household work that takes his other work in mind, or else a balance of his own paid work and working at your house as adults do when they are getting free room and board from someone who has a job. I do not just mean routine work. If he’s working no hours for himself or anyone else, he needs to be putting in serious hours for you. This is a man entering his physical prime with eight hours a day on his hands. Do you need rooms painted? The attic sorted? Maintenance work done? Do your parents’ houses need work or maintenance? Would your wife like the yard re-done? Do you need help with childcare? Eldercare? Volunteer time for your other kids’ schools? Volunteer work with the organization of his choice?

When he can’t live with any of those options, then he needs to become the master of his own house…an end which you can point out will inevitably happen, one way or another, because his parents are not going to live forever and certainly can’t support him forever. Your joint goal ought to be to accomplish that with no hard feelings and in a way that fits his long-term goals.

It will take more work at first, because he will undoubtedly have to be trained to do some of this, but if he does not have a job, he is going to have to pick up the domestic work for those of you who do. It will become his job to do the yard work, to do a certain amount of the laundry, to learn to shop, to plan and prepare meals, and so on. Be specific about what jobs are his and what the consequences will be if he doesn’t keep up with his work. Be specific about how he ought to handle it if he has problems.

Now, about the friends…getting stuff is no substitute for getting a life. You can tell your son that they are getting fish, but his parents want to make him into a fisherman. The latter is incomparable better. Your son is going to be miles ahead. He may not agree, but that is the house he was born into. He may as well make the best of it.

If he picks up on the work load that you and your wife are managing alone, then you probably will have more time and money to spend time with him. If he even takes some of the sibling care off of your hands, he’ll have a better relationship with his younger siblings. That would be great! He won’t be around for your family to enjoy forever! If he gets even a part-time job, he’ll have more spending money. But if he hangs around home doing nothing for four or five years, he is going to find himself a poor prospect for finding a wife or supporting a family, getting a house of his own where he can make his own rules, or getting a job where he has the dignity of being someone who works hard and can manage himself. He’s going to find his younger brothers and sisters going out into the world, making their way, and leaving him behind, because they knew what they wanted from life and did what they had to do to get it, and he didn’t.

He may wind up having to learn the hard way, like the Prodigal Son. If it happened to the father in the Lord’s story, then it could happen to you. Don’t take it personally. Don’t try to protect him from his choices. Do try to give him a middle way between getting a job in this hard economy and getting out. If he’s willing to exert himself and work on acting like an adult, keep him around. Expect that will take some time, and try to be a coach about it…not just correcting faults, but expecting that progress will be gradual, expecting that he needs you to also look for things to encourage him about and cheer him on about. We are talking about five times as many positive interactions as negative or corrective ones. He’s going to need that from you, his father, if he is going to succeed.

Oh, and let him know very clearly that whatever mistakes he made in the past are water under the bridge. He’ll have to face the consequences of the wrecks that are going to make his car insurance more expensive, that kind of thing, but it is time for all of you to move on what he can do today.

If it all possible, let him keep the cell phone. You may need to switch him to a less-expensive version, but if he’s out driving around even doing your shopping, he needs that. There are no public telephones in the world any more, and it is no longer safe to be out in the world without a reliable communications device.

PS If he learns to cook for your family, he’s only going to know how to cook for 8-10 people per meal. Make sure he learns how to cook for one or two, as well. That’s very important if he’s going to have food he likes at a price he can live with, when he moves out. It would be good if you or your wife would also teach him other basics of living as well as possible on a budget: selecting clothes and so on. Invaluable!!

This going to be hard, but look at the bright side: Get the system right with him, and the rest of the kids will pass onto their own lives much more easily than this one did!!
 
Whatever you do, first of all you need to sit down and have a serious talk with your wife.
Talk about it, decide what you’re going to do as parents, and then stick to it.
If you keep threatening and then not doing anything, you’ll lose all authority, and even worse - he’ll smell the weak link your wife now is and he’ll exploit it, you could end up having problems in your marriage unless you two stick together. Whatever you do, both of you need to agree on it.

If she wants to go a little easier on him, ask her what she wants to do, what the timeframe for his action is, what if nothing improves, but then she really needs to do what you agreed.
You can’t be the bad guy and she can’t keep saving him.

If he’s a good kid who just doesn’t want to work, can you “employ” him in your business or home for a while?
If your business is struggling, can he help? You could maybe save money on outside help that way.
As far as working in the family home, I know kids get chores anyway, but if he just maybe needs some time to get his act together, I’m sure a family that big could use a housekeeper in the meantime. He won’t work and wants money? Ok, he can work at home. But put a limit on the period.
I did almost all of the housework when I was unemployed (ok, I was looking for a job, but I think it’s only right to take over if the others are paying your way, even if it’s not your choice), and I can tell you I was really happy to go back to work.

Disclaimer: I come from a different culture. We don’t really expect kids to work for real at 18 (unless they quit school, but even then most get a few months, a summer, before they are expected to get too serious). A majority of them turn out just fine, with real jobs and fully adult lives. However, spending all night out with friends and sleeping wouldn’t be tolerated very long.
 
Any advice would be appreciated.
Until your wife understands that she is doing him damage, and you are not willing to go against her, you are at a standstill. If you have control of the finances, you can certainly stop financing him.

Perhaps you can make an agreement with your wife that you won’t kick him out but she will not do his laundry or clean his room.

Of course, you could move out yourself and take the money with you.
 
The rule at our house growing up was: After the age of 18 (graduated high school) you had your choice: 1) Go to college/trade school, etc. 2) Pay rent. 3) Move. These options were pointed out early on so there was no misunderstanding.
 
Lots of interesting posts here and plenty of good advice,but I think that you 2 issues. First, you and your wife must agree on some kind of plan which show respect for each others position. And, second, your son is wasting his life and this needs to be turned around quickly before his 3 tickets and a wreck look like his better days. Personally, the military option is a good one for some kids but not all. Mayb a trip to a recruiting office would help decide. God bless you and your family with a good decision.
 
Ahh yes…The old ‘divide & conquer’.

You & your wife need to agree on the plan. Period. Don’t play the ‘head of the house’ card though.
Your ideas sound completely reasonable.

Has he ever had a job? Where does he get the cash to play all night?
 
Whatever you do, first of all you need to sit down and have a serious talk with your wife.
Talk about it, decide what you’re going to do as parents, and then stick to it.
If you keep threatening and then not doing anything, you’ll lose all authority, and even worse - he’ll smell the weak link your wife now is and he’ll exploit it, you could end up having problems in your marriage unless you two stick together. Whatever you do, both of you need to agree on it.
That is very wise advice along with so many other suggestions here. It’s so important that you both have a plan that you both agree to not budge on.

Praying for your son and your family.

LorenC
 
That is very wise advice along with so many other suggestions here. It’s so important that you both have a plan that you both agree to not budge on…
Through *seven *repetitions…make the first try as good as you can make it! 👍
 
Myown,

Have you talked to him about the Military? Any branch would offer discipline and focus. I was in the Air Force and this is the way I viewed things:

Army and Marines: Primary for discipline and focus: Secondary training – travel.

Air Force: Navy: Primary Training and Travel – secondary discipline and focus.

Hope this helps but it may be that you need to have “tough love”. The more is treated like a young child the longer he will continue to act as one.

Winter
diddo to the military suggesion. He is 18. Even the best parents can have kids turn out not so great, so don’t take this the wrong way but you have had your shot. It didn’t work. It will be extremely difficult for you to turn things around now, IMO. Why? You already see it, for a myriad of reasons, “tough love” by you and your wife will be difficult to execute well, until things go really, really bad. Until then, too many things get in the way: friends, different approaches from the two parents (even on “small” matters), and most of all the fear of him being “out in the street”.
The military, although not a sure thing, is the best approach. They will instill discipline. He is not any where near you. Yet, you know his basic needs are being taken care of.
It is a no-brainer choice for you; the challenge is convincing him.
 
diddo to the military suggesion. He is 18. Even the best parents can have kids turn out not so great, so don’t take this the wrong way but you have had your shot. It didn’t work. It will be extremely difficult for you to turn things around now, IMO. Why? You already see it, for a myriad of reasons, “tough love” by you and your wife will be difficult to execute well, until things go really, really bad. Until then, too many things get in the way: friends, different approaches from the two parents (even on “small” matters), and most of all the fear of him being “out in the street”.
The military, although not a sure thing, is the best approach. They will instill discipline. He is not any where near you. Yet, you know his basic needs are being taken care of.
It is a no-brainer choice for you; the challenge is convincing him.
Yes, but…

There is the problem that over 25% of Americans of military age are carrying around too much fat to be accepted by the military, while many others lack the required physical fitness. This idea may be a non-starter, not a no-brainer, for those reasons.

The other problem is that it is bad enough to have a son or daughter get hurt or killed in the line of duty when that is what they wanted to do with their life. It would be quite another if they joined the military to please you or get away from you. Both the country and the child deserve better than that.

Do not get me wrong. It can be a great gift to a young person and to the country to encourage a child with the aptitude to do it to consider a military career. I have young relatives in the military, and we are very proud of them. It has to be their choice, though, and so it is not a “no-brainer” to decide for someone else that he needs to make this great contribution to the common good. That has to come from his brain and heart alone, because he is the one that is going to have to make the commitment that an honorable military career requires. I would no more try to push someone into the military than I would try to push someone into the priesthood or religious life. All are high callings, and not last ditch alternatives.

So, may a parent strongly encourage: Yes! By all means! May a parent keep trying to push them into it when they obviously don’t want to do it: No, don’t do that.
 
A number of posters here mentioned the military. As a former military officer, I can say that foisting him off on an unsuspecting military is at best unfair to the service. They will have to solve problems you should have solved long ago. Having said that, I will predict that one of two things will happen should he go in unwillingly. 1) He will shock everyone and come around to the discipline; 2) he will get booted out, probably after serving time in the brig. If he is as bad as you say, #2 is the more likely; and once out, what will he do? The only place to live is … guess where. 😦
 
My oldest son who is 18 now is driving me nuts. All he does now is run all night and sleep all day. He will not even try to get a job anymore. He has had 3 tickets and a wreck all in the last 9 months. I gave him one week to find a job or I will have to kick him out of the house and he has done nothing. Well the day is coming up and my wife will not let me kick him out now. I have taken his truck now and going to sell it. Next I am canceling the cell phone and going to clean his room out. But when I mentioned that my wife thinks that that is what he wants so he can play the victom to his friends. He is a good kid for the most part, but seems to have a lot of anger and resintment because some of his friends have more stuff or the parents do more stuff with them or something. I have 7 children and my own business which is struggling right now and I am not going to buy a bunch of play toys. He can get a job and buy them his self. He is not on drugs because I tested him. I am at a total loss since my wife is afraid to let me do anything. Any advice would be appreciated.
Don’t let him go into the army or marines. Super high suicide rates, plus it will only make him angrier and mentally unstable down the road. The military is the worst thing he could do if he already has anger problems.
 
Tough love…talk to your wife and reach an agreement.

Praying for you.
 
I do not think it is a coincidence that your post happens during the feasts for St. Monica and St. Agustin. She was in a similar situation like yours with her son, I am sure that if you pray for her intercession and that of our blessed mother, the Lord will assist you with this very difficult situation.
You and your family will be in my prayers.
 
I appreciate all the replies, I do agree that my wife and I need to sit down and have a serious talk and agree on something. Now dont get me wrong about my son, he is a good kid and has worked while going to school and never had any problem. But after he finished school he has done a complete turn around and just became LAZY. I do not fund lazy people so I guess he has been mooching off his friends. Military is not really an option as I have spoke with him about it and he did not show any interest as of now. The first step is talking with my wife and getting an agreement made.
 
My oldest son who is 18 now is driving me nuts. All he does now is run all night and sleep all day. He will not even try to get a job anymore. He has had 3 tickets and a wreck all in the last 9 months. I gave him one week to find a job or I will have to kick him out of the house and he has done nothing. Well the day is coming up and my wife will not let me kick him out now. I have taken his truck now and going to sell it. Next I am canceling the cell phone and going to clean his room out. But when I mentioned that my wife thinks that that is what he wants so he can play the victom to his friends. He is a good kid for the most part, but seems to have a lot of anger and resintment because some of his friends have more stuff or the parents do more stuff with them or something. I have 7 children and my own business which is struggling right now and I am not going to buy a bunch of play toys. He can get a job and buy them his self. He is not on drugs because I tested him. I am at a total loss since my wife is afraid to let me do anything. Any advice would be appreciated.
So, are you really going to sell his truck and take his cell phone away? Or did your wife talk you out of it? If you say you are going to do something, DO IT or you weaken yourself with every empty threat. Your wife seems to be more concerned that your son will talk about you to his friends, than snapping him to reality which is that he can’t simply continue to do as he likes now that he is 18. Were there any plans for college at any point? What about community college? What about vocational school? There are many trades that are recruiting people before they even graduate, and giving them signing bonuses. Welders are needed in Texas and North Dakota, to work in the oil fields.

You and your wife MUST agree on the plan from here on out, and then you can sit this boy down and tell him what his future looks like. Give him choices, but hanging around the house coming and going as he wishes, still using the resources of the family, IS NOT one of the choices. You can help him brainstorm, but after that, he’s got to move forward into some kind of responsibility and plan for his own future.

Who is giving him money to run around with? I sure hope it’s not your wife! :eek:
 
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