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Where, in the scripture posted by the OP , is tithing or giving mentioned? Sorry for my confusion, but I don’t see the scripture. What scripture is this about? Sorry…
Could you translate this to English please. I recognize some Latin words but cannot translate it enough to make sense out of it. Thank you.Domine, ad quem ibimus? Verba vitae aeternae habes. Et nos credimus, et cognivimus, quia tu es Christus Filius Dei."
John 6:68-69 "Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.” NAB versionCould you translate this to English please. I recognize some Latin words but cannot translate it enough to make sense out of it. Thank you.
David
The Rule of St Benedict states that when the monks meet in council to decide some important business, the young should be heard for God sometimes uses the young to transmit his message.I think that 10% is just a number that could make sense for some people but not for others. We are to give financially until it hurts and then a little bit more. We must also remember that we are not going to heaven just by writing a check even if it hurts. We must also devote our time and talents and not according to what feels good but to what is good.
Last night I had a very interesting conversation with my son. He is planning to teach catechism with me starting next year and he knows all of my thoughts and reservations in regard to the program in our parish. He made it quite clear to me that even if things will not go my way I still have an obligation to do my best given the circumstances and I cannot stop teaching because I have already been told that I am needed at a specific time for a specific day of the week.
I was a fool thinking that the head of the family was the spiritual guide of the family. Now I have a 16 year old telling me how to use my time and talents. Now if I can hold a few more years until we ship him to seminary, then I will have only to answer to my wife.![]()
I agree, God has spoken through my son more than once in my life. I tend to be quite attentive now.The Rule of St Benedict states that when the monks meet in council to decide some important business, the young should be heard for God sometimes uses the young to transmit his message.![]()
Charity is not simply giving money according to the formula, but a committal and gift of the whole heart.Thanks for responses guys but aside from all that is it right to tithe and what does god say ? What does the verse mean in my op ? Some say that it is a misreading of the Bible, a practice created by man, not God. They say they should be free to donate whatever amount they choose . Should you be obligated to give a tithe at all what are the pros and cons ?
I believe one should support their local parish with an amount they can afford. Remember time and talents also counts.I came across this a want to know what you think ?
Churches sometimes engage in questionable practices.* To attend a Church participants are frequently being encouraged to become members by attending “membership classes”.* In these classes you are frequently asked (although usually not obligated) at the end to sign a covenant to the church and/or to God.* This covenant usually includes a number of provisions and usually a commitment to tithe.* The bible teaches that if you bind yourself to such a commitment you will be held to it by God.* Therefore do not enter into such agreements.* Jesus said, "Again, you have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not break your oath, but keep the oaths you have made to the Lord.’ But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.” * Matthew 5:33-37.* * Learn to take the good and leave the bad or is it a good or bad practice ? What I you don’t want to thithe or can’t afford it however I mean if the moneys helps the poor and stuff it might be good for 10% of your income to help other ? What do you think ?
Amen, and thank you. One of the things that I find is a huge blessing and weight off of my heart is knowing that God gave me a talent that I could use for the betterment of His Church, as well as the funds needed to help my family. I feel like I’m doing something of substance for all involved, and it’s humbling and peaceful at the same time.Hi Lochias,
your post was terrific, too.
Yes, there are other ways to tithe/give to the Lord and others, other than financial gifts.
You have to feed your family with your money. God knows that (( and it is perfectly lawful and good for you to pray to Him and beg Him for financial help and blessings so that you can do even more, for them and for the church. Believe me, and you know this just by looking around, that there are many people who ARE financially-blessed with abundance, who are living high on the hog, and not doing one darned thing for the Lord, his church, the prolife movement, the pro-family movement, for the poor and needy, or for anyone, frankly, but themselves, but want it widely known, for example, if (though they are well off) they give $100 in any given year to “save the rainforest” or something, but even that they don’t miss (( if they are well off and give a big gift, that’s nice, but proportionately, it’s usually about as sacrificial and missed-by-them, as it would be for you if you dropped a quarter out of your pocket once or twice a month. We’re talking
PROPORTIONALITY here. God expects us to give sacrificially, proportionate to our income and ability. If a person making $35,000 a year or less, gives $1000 to the parish church annually, while a person making $250,000 a year gives $2000 annually to the parish church, he is giving twice as many dollars as the poorer person, but proportionately, is giving fifteen times LESS than the person making $35,000 a year, and please, though the President of the USA does plan to significantly raise their income taxes (if congress lets him get away with it), even that would not justify giving ten to fifteen times less, to the church and to the needy, than the person making only $35,000 a year or less. Remember the principle Jesus enunciated, and he meant it, every word
of it: From him to whom much has been given, MUCH will be REQUIRED (not asked for as a voluntary, “if-I-feel-like-voluntarily-giving-it” thing, but a requirement).
Now, some will object, that Saint Paul said not to give under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. True enough!! But some take that to mean that if they are a tightwad and don’t like giving and want to have an enormous bank account and portfolio way beyond what they and their heirs truly need to live basically nicely (as distinct from living high on the hog in great and excessive luxury), that that is just fine with God. That is not true.
God cannot stand tightwads. Tightwads are stingy. God is not stingy. Again, look for a while at a REALISTIC, bloody, sickeningly horrifying crucifix to begin to understand just how GENEROUS God, the Holy Trinity, actually IS. I cannot pretend for a MOMENT that I would willingly allow myself to be brutally murdered like Jesus the Godman was, like that, and tortured first to boot, to save the lives and souls of billions of often very nasty people. Yet Jesus did that not only to pay for the faults of the good-by-comparison people, but for the bad sinners like me and even the evil-to-the-core sinners like King Manasseh was, or like Bernie Madoff, like even Ted Bundy and Jeffery Dahmer and even, had he repented, monsters like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin and even - perish the thought!!! - Pol Pot. God is Generous. Jesus the Godman’s horrific torture, beating, crowning with thorns and death on the cross in the most brutal manner imaginable, when he was INNOCENT, had no moral obligation to do it for us (owes us nothing), and in fact had the moral right to not forgive one single sin or crime ever committed on this earth, as he is God and INFINITELY above us in majesty, glory and dignity, and he submitted to THAT horror, on purpose, deliberately, for US. And we (and many of us sometimes do) gripe about being asked to donate to the church? to the poor? to give more to help the needy? to pay our employees a decent wage, even if it means we earn 1,000,000 dollars less in profit, earning 10,000,000 instead of 11,000,000? It’s still PROFIT.
yes, this economy is really bad right now, but many, many, in fact most, Americans are STILL living quite well, and many are living very luxuriously, and giving the church
less than a buck a week, and next to nothing to support the needy and righteous social causes (( the average gift, when you break it down, to the National Right To Life Committee, from the average proLifer, and there are over 60,000,000 American Christians who profess to be proLife )) is less than 3 cents a YEAR. If each of the sixty million each sent annually a BUCK, one measly BUCK, to the NRLC, it would take in nearly 3 TIMES what it takes in now, and could blow the proAbortion forces out of the water in each and every election without exception.
But back to tithing to the church. For those of us who can’t tithe financially, and I can’t right now, give what you can (even if it hurts a little, that having it hurt a little has merit before God, united to Christ) and then support the church and the poor non-financially as well, as you, friend, are doing. You can give financially OR give “in kind” , or give BOTH ways if our financial resources are lacking. And ALWAYS ask God for the financial means to do MORE. Because, as I noted, tens of millions do have the means that you DON’T have, and they aren’t using them at all for the Lord’s work and for the needy and good causes. You, and I, and many thousands of others, WILL.
God love you.
Jaypeeto4
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I agree with the Protestant practice of Tithing, and expect Miracles. I have found that there are many parallels between praying the Rosary and Tithing. The two work together.I just received envelopes from my parish so I can start tithing. Although I never officially tithed before (as an unbaptized Christian who never officially was a member of any church) I always gave money when I had it because I believe in it. Miracles have happened in my life when I didn’t have much money but decided to give part of it back to God. My mother also lives her life by this principle and has also benefited greatly. I plan to start tithing although I may not give the whole 10% to my parish. I belong ot various community service organizations and will probably start counting that towards my 10%.![]()
My wife and I Tithe, but it goes to the Protestsnt Church where she has been employed for the past 16 years. I think that we should payoff our credit cards first and then tithe, but Protestants believe that we should give 10% off the top before taxes. I give $20 per week to my Parish out of my Social Security which is about 4%/QUOT
If i may add something here. I think tithing is totally misunderstood by most protestant churches today. I did a lot of studying on tithing because the Church i used to attend preached on it a lot. Most Churches today totally misrepresent what tithing is and why it was instituted by God. The reason why, is that they are afraid that people won’t give enough to pay for all the extras they think that they need, and if you ever question why they preach on tithing they think you don’t want to give. If they want to tithe according to the Old Testament then they need to give about 23%, or more, because there were 3 different tithes.
Gerard
That’s a moot question. It is more important to ensure that they can cope with day-to-day expenses. Nobody is forced nor coerced into tithing in the Catholic Church, though I cannot speak for other Protestant churches.My question is, how can a person be expected to tithe 10% of their income when they don’t have any income to start with ??