Title of subdeacon

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In the Latin Church, what is a subdeacon called? For example, a deacon is called the Rev. Mr. So–and–So. What would the subdiaconal equivalent to that be? If there is no current practice, what was the practice prior to the abolishment of the subdiaconate by Pope Paul VI?

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JGMendes4049 said:
In the Latin Church, what is a subdeacon called? For example, a deacon is called the Rev. Mr. So–and–So. What would the subdiaconal equivalent to that be? If there is no current practice, what was the practice prior to the abolishment of the subdiaconate by Pope Paul VI?

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I do believe it is simply “Mister”. However in the Eastern Catholic Tradition they are referred to as “Reverend Subdeacon”. I don’t think there is any honorific title given to an instituted Subdeacon.
 
Until they’re ordained a Deacon, it’s just ‘Mister So-And-So’, or the cultural equivalent.
 
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In the Latin Church, what is a subdeacon called? For example, a deacon is called the Rev. Mr. So–and–So. What would the subdiaconal equivalent to that be? If there is no current practice, what was the practice prior to the abolishment of the subdiaconate by Pope Paul VI?

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The subdiaconate was formally suppressed; it now exists only as an office (in solemn high masses in the extraordinary form), not as an order. One cannot be said to “be” a subdeacon, only to be “acting” as a subdeacon. So I don’t imagine there’s a title or honorific attached at all.

Prior to Ministeria Quaedem, I have no idea what the honorific was. I imagine probably similar to that of a Deacon, since the order of subdeacons was the first step into the clerical state.
 
sw85 said:
The subdiaconate was formally suppressed; it now exists only as an office (in solemn high masses in the extraordinary form), not as an order. One cannot be said to “be” a subdeacon, only to be “acting” as a subdeacon. So I don’t imagine there’s a title or honorific attached at all.

Prior to Ministeria Quaedem, I have no idea what the honorific was. I imagine probably similar to that of a Deacon, since the order of subdeacons was the first step into the clerical state.
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Hello friend!

The Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri (FSSP) does ordain Subdeacons. In February, I believe seven men were ordained as such. While the Minor Orders were, as you noted, suppressed, the “Latin” Fraternities who have their own Seminaries still ordain men as Subdeacons after one year as an Acolyte which follows Exorcist.
 
sw85 said:
The subdiaconate was formally suppressed; it now exists only as an office (in solemn high masses in the extraordinary form), not as an order. One cannot be said to “be” a subdeacon, only to be “acting” as a subdeacon. So I don’t imagine there’s a title or honorific attached at all.

Prior to Ministeria Quaedem, I have no idea what the honorific was. I imagine probably similar to that of a Deacon, since the order of subdeacons was the first step into the clerical state.
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Sudeacons are still ordained to this day. Minor note. It is not, and never was, a sacramental state. It always was, and still is, an office.
 
YoungTradCath said:
Sudeacons are still ordained to this day. Minor note. It is not, and never was, a sacramental state. It always was, and still is, an office.
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This is a subject of some debate. Prior to V2, the Church taught that there were three major orders, subdeacon, deacon and priest. Being a bishop was considered the fullness of the priesthood, so bishops were consecrated, rather than ordained. The Church recognizes that Our Lord did not establish the subdiaconate, and theologians were and are divided over the ontological aspects of the subdiaconate. But do understand that it was considered a major order.Men ordained to the subdiaconate were obligated to celibacy, and they were titled “The Rev. Mr.” from that point on.

The orders who celebrate the EF today continue to ordain subdeacons, though they understand that canonically speaking, the status of ordained cleric does not juridically exist until the diaconate. However, in view of past tradition, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei does permit subdeacons to be addressed as “The Rev. Mr.” In conversation, they are addressed as Subdeacon So-and-So, similar to deacons. In reality, it is rare to see a subdeacon remain in that state for more than three months, and sometimes not even that long.
 
JGMendes4049 said:
In the Latin Church, what is a subdeacon called? For example, a deacon is called the Rev. Mr. So–and–So. What would the subdiaconal equivalent to that be?

If there is no current practice, what was the practice prior to the abolishment of the subdiaconate by Pope Paul VI?
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I checked “My Chatholic Faith” by Fr. Morrow (1949,) and “Saint Andrews Daily Missal” (1945,) but could find no specific title of address, so, as above a simple Mister should suffice, if you actually come across a subdeacon.

According to Fr. Morroew the office of Subdeacon was the first of the major orders before the reforms, a subdeacon took vows of celibacy and the daily recitation of the Devine Office. He assisted at Holy Mass by singing the epistle and bringing the vessels to the altar, holding the paten at the cannon and giving the kiss of peace, in practice all these functions are done by a priest; if you are familiar with the 1941 Mass video narrated by Bishop Sheen - there are three Priests, each fulfilling a different role in the mass - Priest, (celebrant,) Deacon, Subdeacon.

In Practice as I stated above, Subdeacon is only a function at High Mass, carried out by a Priest. The Subdeacon along with he minor orders, those of Porter, Excorcist, Lector, and Acolyte were abandoned, Lector and Acolyte were transfered to ministries and are carried out by the laity in the OF.

AMDG,

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