TLM fasting times

[maryanna36]

I’m an Ordinary Form Catholic who has been invited to attend a TLM this evening. As a devoted attendee of the Ordinary Form, I fast 1 hour before receiving Holy Communion. I am no longer certain what the fasting time is in the TLM or if I am obliged to fast whatever the TLM rules say.

Can someone respond to this question.

 

[I_Believe]

If it is a diocean Mass, prayed by a priest in full communion with Rome, then 1 hour is fine. If not, call before you go, or ask someone before Mass.

Dominus vobiscum !

 

[Claire_from_DE]

If it is a diocean Mass, prayed by a priest in full communion with Rome, then 1 hour is fine. If not, call before you go, or ask someone before Mass.

Dominus vobiscum !

But if not celebrated by a priest in full communion with Rome and with the approval of the bishop, you shouldn’t receive communion.

 

[eelpis]

The eucharistic fast is 1 hour before recieving. It’s goverened by the canon law, it’s the same for all Latin Catholics, no matter if they are traditional or not. If you want to you can do the traditional fast from midnight.

 

[bpbasilphx]

If you want to you can do the traditional fast from midnight.

If the celebration is in the evening, I should think from noon would suffice.

 

[cam100]

If it is a diocean Mass, prayed by a priest in full communion with Rome, then 1 hour is fine. If not, call before you go, or ask someone before Mass.

Dominus vobiscum !

The fasting requirement is not under the control of the individual priest. There is no reason to check with the particular church you are attending. Canon law 919 stipulates that the fast is 1 hour before communion, so this applies to all Latin-rite Catholics, whether attending the Ordinary (Novus Ordo) or Extraordinary (Traditional) mass.

Some Catholics make an extra personal sacrifice by fasting 3 hours before communion, or even from midnight. But these are private penances and are not obligatory, regardless of the personal preference of the priest celebrating mass.

 

[maryanna36]

The eucharistic fast is 1 hour before recieving. It’s goverened by the canon law, it’s the same for all Latin Catholics, no matter if they are traditional or not. If you want to you can do the traditional fast from midnight.

Thanks to everyone who responded. I didn’t realize that the one-hour time was for everyone, TLM or Ordinary Form.

And yes, this was a TLM that was under our bishop.

I have just returned from the Mass. A low Mass… my first TLM for 30+ years. It will also probably be my last one; as I much prefer the Mass in the vernacular.

 

[I_Believe]

The fasting requirement is not under the control of the individual priest. There is no reason to check with the particular church you are attending. Canon law 919 stipulates that the fast is 1 hour before communion, so this applies to all Latin-rite Catholics, whether attending the Ordinary (Novus Ordo) or Extraordinary (Traditional) mass.

Some Catholics make an extra personal sacrifice by fasting 3 hours before communion, or even from midnight. But these are private penances and are not obligatory, regardless of the personal preference of the priest celebrating mass.

(please use a capital “C” when referring to the Real
Presence) J+M+J

That is true. But, some independent priests suggest their flock use the old guidelines. The only reason I mentioned it, is to save her from an awkward moment at the Communion rail if, by chance, it was indeed an independent chapel. Some priests will ask questions before giving Communion to a new face at the rail.

Should they do this ? IMO, no. Actually, I think that is covered in the GIRM, but nevertheless, some priests will ask.

 

[I_Believe]

But if not celebrated by a priest in full communion with Rome and with the approval of the bishop, you shouldn’t receive communion.

(please use a capital “C” when referring to the Real
Presence) J+M+J

I didn’t suggest she do so. She asked a question and I answered. I answered her specific question correctly. See my reply to cam for an explanation of why I mentioned no-diocean Masses.

 

[LilyM]

(please use a capital “C” when referring to the Real
Presence) J+M+J

I didn’t suggest she do so. She asked a question and I answered. I answered her specific question correctly. See my reply to cam for an explanation of why I mentioned no-diocean Masses.

The objections had nothing to do with diocesan v non-diocesan priests (there are plenty of non-diocesans who are in full communion with Rome).

What is objectionable is that you were treating as hunky-dory the fact that a Catholic could receive Holy Communion from a priest OUT OF COMMUNION WITH ROME. No Catholic is permitted to so so except possibly if in danger of death.

I’m not referring to SSPX by the way - they are in imperfect communion with Rome, not frankly out of communion, and some of their sacraments, including possibly Communion, are valid depending on the circumstances.

 

[I_Believe]

The objections had nothing to do with diocesan v non-diocesan priests (there are plenty of non-diocesans who are in full communion with Rome).

What is objectionable is that you were treating as hunky-dory the fact that a Catholic could receive Holy Communion from a priest OUT OF COMMUNION WITH ROME. No Catholic is permitted to so so except possibly if in danger of death.

I’m not referring to SSPX by the way - they are in imperfect communion with Rome, not frankly out of communion, and some of their sacraments, including possibly Communion, are valid depending on the circumstances.

No Lily, my original reply said “diocean Mass”. I know all priests in full communion with Rome are not diocean priests per say.

I just thought it would be prudent to mention it. Someone attending the Gregorian Rite for the first time may not even know about all the fuss

In the US and Europe, there are in fact very many SSPX and independent EF’s, and it’s not uncommon for someone, like maryanna36 who was invited to her first EF, to be invited to one. It was a “just in case” comment.

We now see, after her reply, it was a diocean Mass. Like I explained to cam, I mentioned it only in hopes it might save her an awkward moment if it was a Mass at a non-diocean Chapel.

No agenda, no endorsement implied lol. Not implying you are, but far too many folks on these fora are on a witch hunt of sorts, and don’t re-read a post before they stick their face in a bowl of eggs.

And that is the problem with the internet. We are not sitting face to face, and ready to rephrase a comment we make when someone mis-understands something we say.

In this case, I go to work, and come back on here and someone who mis-understood my context or reason for saying something, replies, and others see the reply and assume he/she has truly determined my intended inference. If the reply is of a corrective nature, and they agree a correction is warranted, they may second the reply with their own version of correction. If it goes any further, with someone else jumping on the pile, then I wind up gang banged for something I never implied.

Actually, I did just what I’m describing in response to one of cam’s posts on the Douay Rheims Bible thread. BUT, thankfully, I caught myself and retracted my reply publicly before he even saw it. I jumped the gun, Mea culpa. So, you see, I’m not pointing fingers, just pointing out what is too often the case on the internet.

So, can I still keep the kiss ?

 

[Andruschak]

I’m an Ordinary Form Catholic who has been invited to attend a TLM this evening. As a devoted attendee of the Ordinary Form, I fast 1 hour before receiving Holy Communion. I am no longer certain what the fasting time is in the TLM or if I am obliged to fast whatever the TLM rules say.

Can someone respond to this question.

The one hour fast applies to ALL masses. Now, if you want to fast from Midnight, there is no reason not to.

Big Time Opinion follows…

But try to avoid Spiritual Pride by telling everyone you did so. Nobody but God should know if you fasted from Midnight or just one hour.

 

[maryanna36]

Honestly! Whew!

I want to thank everyone who responded to my question about fasting times. I grew up with the TLM so I am aware of most of the issues you brought up for my benefit. However, it has been 30+ years since I attended a TLM so I wasn’t aware that the 1984 decisions included the Traditional Latin Mass parishes.

I am also aware of the groups that are not in communion with Rome and I am aware that one generally does not attend their services. I am amazed that the priest might ask at the Communion rail, who you are.

The TLM parish I attended is staffed by Benedictine monks but the parish is under our diocesan bishop.

Again, thanks. Please don’t cause a ruckus because of my simple question. And don’t worry, how long I fasted is no one’s business but God’s…

 

[malphono]

While I am Easterner who has never been a fan of the OF for a variety of reasons, I will say that the OF has nothing directly to do with the Eucharistic fast.

As I recall, the Eucharistic fast was reduced from the “midnight rule” to 3 hours by the PP Pius XII in the Apostolic Constitution Christus Dominus (6 January, 1953), and extended (also by PP Pius XII in the Motu Proprio Sacram Communionem of 19 March, 1957 for effect from 25 March, 1957). The fast was again reduced to 1 hour sometime in the post-conciliar mid-1960’s (I think it was 1964, and while I cannot put my hand on a specific reference, I in any case recall that it was prior to the existence of the OF).

So, the rule is 1 hour. As has been said before in this thread, there’s certainly no problem with observing the “midnight rule” and I will add that there is no problem observing the “3 hour rule” either. The minimum is 1 hour. Beyond that, it’s a personal matter.