TLM in Diocese of Joliet, IL

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Whoa! Who do you think you’re talking to, guys? Am I the only one who has to defend his home? Kankakee should be considered a part of the Chicago suburbs since the Bears have their training camp here. I live half a mile from Olivet anyways. Also, I will be the crossbearer at the Mass so I hope to see you guys there!
Don't know why people have to talk bad about a great place........
 
deigloriam said:
Ok, while Kankakee might not be Naperville, it isn’t that bad. Besides, Kankakee HS’s Homecoming dance also starts at 7pm, so all of the hoodlums will be too busy dancing (well, going through breathalizers at that point). 🙂
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No, not breathalizers. Probably doing some harder stuff. Not sure when Bradley’s having their homecoming.
 
Should we be trusting someone with the username “dbacks” considering who the Cubs are playing this postseason? 😉
 
I knew plenty of people who commuted from Chicago to Kankakee (Bradley) and vice-versa when we lived in Bourbonnais for a time for DH’s work. I loved living there and liked attending both St. Rose and St. Joseph, where my DS was baptised.
Say hi to the Crosses at Love Bookstore for me!! 😃
 
chicago said:
Should we be trusting someone with the username “dbacks” considering who the Cubs are playing this postseason? 😉
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Chicago, I'd like you to meet a personal friend of mine, Steve. I hear Steve will be at the game tomorrow and Thursday (not Saturday since the cubs will be out of it by then).
 
Also, as someone who lives right on I-80, I appreciate the earlier comment that only parts south of I-80 are downstate. I’ve gotten used to hearing Chicago news reporters refer to Rockford (or anywhere not in suburbia) as downstate.
 
deigloriam said:
Also, as someone who lives right on I-80, I appreciate the earlier comment that only parts south of I-80 are downstate. I’ve gotten used to hearing Chicago news reporters refer to Rockford (or anywhere not in suburbia) as downstate.
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It’s a political moniker. There is “Chicago”/Cook County. There are the “Collar Counties” and then there is “Downstate”. The irony is that a place like Rockford or the Quad Cities can be considered “Downstate”. Technically, from a geographic standpoint, even Champaign or Peoria or Bloomington/Normal isn’t really downstate. They are Central Illinois. But, politically speaking, (and to some extent economically) everything which isn’t part of the Chicago Metropolitan Area gets lumped together as a block.
 
chicago said:
It’s a political moniker. There is “Chicago”/Cook County. There are the “Collar Counties” and then there is “Downstate”. The irony is that a place like Rockford or the Quad Cities can be considered “Downstate”. Technically, from a geographic standpoint, even Champaign or Peoria or Bloomington/Normal isn’t really downstate. They are Central Illinois. But, politically speaking, (and to some extent economically) everything which isn’t part of the Chicago Metropolitan Area gets lumped together as a block.
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So would you consider Kankakee county to be a collar county like Will county is?
 
dbacks5439 said:
So would you consider Kankakee county to be a collar county like Will county is?
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from encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/3.html

““Collar counties” is a term applied to the five counties that surround the centrally located Cook County in the Chicago metropolitan area: DuPage County, Kane County, Lake County, McHenry County, and Will County. There is no documentation of the origin of the term, but it probably came into use in the 1960s or 1970s. It is widely used in urban planning and public policy circles and in the media. As metropolitan growth begins to extend into counties outside the ring established by collar counties, the term may begin to lose some of its meaning and utility as a descriptor of the metropolitan region.”

Already, some are suggesting that perhaps Kendall should eventially be added as a “Collar County”. Kankakee would probably be another step out if suburbanization continued in that direction to more significant extent over the next 20-30 years.

And census statistics speak of the Chicago-Gary-Kenosha region, which further defines the metropolitan area beyond state boundaries.
 
chicago said:
from encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/3.html

““Collar counties” is a term applied to the five counties that surround the centrally located Cook County in the Chicago metropolitan area: DuPage County, Kane County, Lake County, McHenry County, and Will County. There is no documentation of the origin of the term, but it probably came into use in the 1960s or 1970s. It is widely used in urban planning and public policy circles and in the media. As metropolitan growth begins to extend into counties outside the ring established by collar counties, the term may begin to lose some of its meaning and utility as a descriptor of the metropolitan region.”

Already, some are suggesting that perhaps Kendall should eventially be added as a “Collar County”. Kankakee would probably be another step out if suburbanization continued in that direction to more significant extent over the next 20-30 years.

And census statistics speak of the Chicago-Gary-Kenosha region, which further defines the metropolitan area beyond state boundaries.
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Yeah, I go to Lewis University and every time I come home, Bourbonnais seems to get bigger. We are currently having problems at the high school (we have 2200 students in a building that was designed to support 1600 students) and are trying to get a referendum passed for a new building. Until that happens, I don’t think Bourbonnais can grow much as a community.
 
dbacks5439 said:
Do you live in Bolingbrook? I go to Lewis University which isn’t far away.
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No, I live closer to Naperville than Bolingbrook.

I know Lewis well. It is one of the schools where my husband teaches. If you PM me, I will tell you what he teaches and when. Some departments at Lewis have a problem with orthodox Catholicsm, IMONSHO. But that’s another thread.

Kankanee County is the start of the rest of the State of Illinois, to me- although the area around Bloomington-Normal is picking up some headway. Again, off-topic.
 
I Hope as many people as possible are able to attend tomorrow night. 👍
 
This is a good but hijacked discussion.

I’ve run into a LOT of “Chicago Parochialism”. . . people in Chicago who otherwise are smart and sensible, take fear at the idea of driving 20 miles out the city.

(If you’re in Chicago, you might want to remember that people downstate ROUTINELY drive 40 miles to go places; long distances are pretty frequently driven).

It’s interesting/frightening how much ignorance of the rest of Illinois there is by some Chicagoans. (And, to be honest, some probably pretend the non-Chicagoans are hicks or backward, just to give their own egos a boost, or feel more socially secure or advanced). I guess that there is a larger percentage of downstate Illinois residents familiar with Chicago and the suburbs, than of Chicagoans and suburbanites familiar with the major downstate communities.

I dated a Chicago girl in college once. She thought all of the rest of Illinois looked like Naperville: suburban house upon suburban house, stacked out in blocks, the whole state through. (And then, don’t get me going on all the bright, educated Chicagoans who think soybeans are what you put into cans, and the corn you see from the interstate is canned or eaten on the cob).🙂
 
Maxply said:
I’ve run into a LOT of “Chicago Parochialism”. . . people in Chicago who otherwise are smart and sensible, take fear at the idea of driving 20 miles out the city.

(If you’re in Chicago, you might want to remember that people downstate ROUTINELY drive 40 miles to go places; long distances are pretty frequently driven).

It’s interesting/frightening how much ignorance of the rest of Illinois there is by some Chicagoans. (And, to be honest, some probably pretend the non-Chicagoans are hicks or backward, just to give their own egos a boost, or feel more socially secure or advanced). I guess that there is a larger percentage of downstate Illinois residents familiar with Chicago and the suburbs, than of Chicagoans and suburbanites familiar with the major downstate communities.)
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True enough. But let’s remember that it goes both ways. There are a lot of suburbanities who refuse to come into the “big, bad, city” and a lot of “downstaters” who detest the metropolitan area, also. It is a shame, really, that we can’t all get along as fellow Illinoisans and recognize the enrichment everybody offers to the rest of the state.
 
I agree! I think the two make a nice complement. I have to confess that I turned down a job in Oak Brook, since it’s much more preferable to me to live in a less cramped, more free setting just outside the city. I know the traffic scene out there (I was a child in Lombard, my brother and sister live in the western suburbs, I worked for a company with offices in the Loop and “downstate”, my work often takes me downtown); it ain’t getting better and I don’t see how road engineers will solve this growing problem. Perhaps personal helicopters will do the trick.

One thing that’s always amazed me is how infrequently my brother and sister go downtown. I seem to have more occasion to do so.

I remember talking with a Chicagoan who was snide about how intelligent people lived in the city, the ignorant lived “downstate”, and I recalled that my state legislator was both a Harvard Law grad and a Harvard undergrad. . . compare that to the state reps sent in by Chicago, especially those from the south side.

Another matter: the Children’s Museum. I think the Daley Plaza option makes no sense; really would hurt the world class park there.
 
Maxply said:
I know the traffic scene out there (I was a child in Lombard, my brother and sister live in the western suburbs, I worked for a company with offices in the Loop and “downstate”, my work often takes me downtown); it ain’t getting better and I don’t see how road engineers will solve this growing problem. Perhaps personal helicopters will do the trick.
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Well, imploring your state legistors to support the transit funding plans in the statehouse (particularly those proposed by Rep. Julie Hamos) would certainly help. The roads can’t handle it all. Transit must be part of the solution!
Another matter: the Children’s Museum. I think the Daley Plaza option makes no sense; really would hurt the world class park there.
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Interesting take. How so? While I don’t have a strong opinion either way and can certainly see arguments for maybe using the resources to get the museum’s resources “out to the neighborhoods”, instead, it is hard to see how it could hurt the park. I mean, with all of the other major cultural institutions which neighbor Millennium Park, it would seem that this is just one more, potentially enriching the area.
 
I hope they get a good turn-out, too. I am not anti-prayer, anti-TLM or anti-procession. It will just not include us.

Off topic: I am not ignorant of the state’s demography. I am not ignorant of Southern Illinois, including Kankakee.

My father is from Southern Illinois, Clinton County to be exact. I was taken up and down the state to every site from Galena to New Salem and the DuQuoin mines by the time I was 6. I have taken my kids to every site. I have been to Popeye’s town, Superman’s town, Rantoul’s base, Belleville’s air show, Belleville’s cathedral, the Shrine of Our Lady of the Snows. I have rubbed Lincoln’s nose repreated times, until it was no longer allowed. I know Cairo is pronounced “like the syrup” with an emphasis on the first syllable and a long a, and not like its namesake in Egypt. I know down-home, people wash with a “wersch rag” and not a wash cloth, and they do that in a bathroom “zink”. I know soybeans make other food products, some forms of plastic, and a gasoline additive. I know the sign that says “DeKalb” has less to do with the town or county and more to do with what was sprayed on the field and in what concentration.

And if I had to choose, I would live in Belleville or DuQuoin or Carlyle before Kankakee.
 
Now that we’ve gotten all the posturing out of our systems, can we talk about the TLM please? I for one think it’s nice that there is one in the Diocese of Joliet.
 
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