Hope I’m not coming across as rude, but how did you reach that conclusion?
when adding new feasts?
Parts are 56 years old. [some changes were made in the 50’s]
I would. I am a NO attendee BTW.
Here is another quote from Pope John XXIII’s Veterum Sapientia:
Hi, I’m not very learned in all the abreviations of the terms of the way the church ways of mass have gone through over the years. I was away for 40 years so when I started back to church from my sin life I expected things to be the same dahh! that was dumb of me to think all would be the same. I happened to be in a church that the priest is somewhat traditional and so the older elders are some genuflecting if their knees can get down and back up again the young are bowing still showing respect except I see others are like why bother and then some reverts that are not sure what to do so most genuflect all the way down with head bowed. This is all just preference of course but what I do remember very much from the school days was the on most distint but not only that set us apart was the sign of the cross and lots don’t do and the Latin mass. I don’t recall other churches having Latin of course they didn’t understand why we listened to Latin we didn’t know but there is a way of knowing survival language and there is a latin root in a lot of english for example yes, certo certain. It can be fun! I asked our priest about an ave maria song at church sometime said he the others wouldn’t like it I said maybe to ohters it would bring a tear to their eyes especially the elders so why not let them have sentimenal journey. I love the english but maybe would like 1 mass a week that could be at least mostly Latin even if only 50 people came. I looked through our hymnal and low and behold there are a couple latin hymnes but no ave maria 
My mother thinks maybe if the mass had been in english my dad would have stayed in church maybe but not because he was not a good convert. I hope it is the choice to get the latin back and when I can find a church that has a mass daily I hope I will attend it for that service and of course it is on ewtn some too so meanwhile I have found some cd’s with beautifull ave maria’s Gretchen Harris and the live immaculate friar who sings a mix of english and latinand the daughters of st paul etc. so if you can’t hear it at church there are other soources rather than beating your head against the wall trying to buck the system. I gave one cd to a tenor at church to listen to and his wife listened fell in lpve with it and wouldn’t give it back so I told her to keep it and bought another. I love choir and so I also went to the library and found mega amounts christmas latin music of course normal stuff too. Don’t wait for the latin to come to you. As I have found out by reading the posts I am learning latin and I borrowed the one and only latin dic at our multimillion dollar library and will find this book on line to order as soon as possible just wait the books that will come out now you should buy stock in latin now if you can. i really love the holy Father Pope Bennedict XVI I think what he is doing is revolutioning which is exactly what he should do but I don’t think it will ever go back to the origanil. I had latin in high school and it haelped me through some medical courses I took etc.Jesus is my delivererSomeone should have told Shakespeare and Donne that.
You mean more years of indulgence? More grace? What spiritual benefits?
To judge something as being noble, dignified, majestic, or lyrical is a judgment about aesthetics. Latin may be all those things–though anyone with the slightest acquaintance with languages knows Italian is better for singing
--and all those qualities are certainly nice to have in a Mass. I’m not saying don’t use Latin. My point is simply that there’s nothing about the Latin language that’s somehow more pleasing to God than, say, Urdu. Particular people–at least one of them a pope–may find it more pleasing, but that’s about as much as we can say.I don’t think we have a Shakespeare or Donne working on our liturgical translations. No one I know of has accused either the original liturgical committee which shaped the New Mass or the ICEL translators of being particularly gifted in the area of poetry.
I would agree that God is not necessarily more pleased by hearing a prayer in Latin as opposed to another language. And I certainly would agree that Italian is very good for singing, I suppose that’s why it’s used in opera so much. However, one of the primary purposes of the liturgy is to lift our hearts and minds to God. Now, I’m not saying that that can’t be done at all in the vernacular (if one has a good translation). However, I think our attitude should be to employ the language, the music, the prayers which accomplish this the best. And it’s about offering God the best. After all, if we had the President over for dinner, we’d probably break out the fine china and nice tablecloth and not settle for paper plates. I think there is something wrong with us as a people if we just settle for the mediocre and have no problem with it.To judge something as being noble, dignified, majestic, or lyrical is a judgment about aesthetics. Latin may be all those things–though anyone with the slightest acquaintance with languages knows Italian is better for singing
The elevated diction of Shakespeare or Donne is quite different from the banal ICEL English translations of the Novus Ordo. Hopefully, the newly approved translation is a considerable improvement over the anti-sacred drivel we put up with now.
I don’t find the translations of, for example, the Roman Canon particularly banal. I agree that the progression has been toward banality and I agree we need an more elevated, more sacral language. In the balance, however, I think that it is very beneficial to the faithful to be able to hear and understand the words of the Mass. They should be the best words we can come up with, ie, the best translations. I do not happen to buy the argument that Latin is inherently more sacred and as it is no longer universal in the sense that it is a tongue common to virtually everyone (as it was when it became the language of the liturgy), I see no particular reason to maintain it in the liturgy. I certainly think it’s at least as important as Greek and Hebrew to the Church and I’m not a Latin hater. I’m just puzzled as to who needs to have us speak Latin.
What do we hope to accomplish in the liturgy? The proptiation of our sins through the confection of the Holy Sacrifice and the fitting worship of God. We can still do this in the vernacular. You are basically making the assertion that Latin is the best we can offer (what makes it the best?) and that the vernacular is banal, the “paper plates,” which IS a matter of taste, aesthetics, and opinion (lots of people love Bach’s cantatas, but as I can’t stand to sit and listen to sung German, I’m not able to share in their affection for those particular works of his. I’m a huge Bach fan, however, though frankly, I find Handel’s stuff more conducive to prayer. Why? Because I can understand it). I don’t buy that for an instant that the vernacular is banal, though a translation may be. A word is a symbol for a reality, ie, “cat” is the English “symbol” for an animal that meows, chases mice, washes itself and doesn’t come when it’s called. But “cat” isn’t the reality, any more than “gato” is, or “chat” or “felis.” “Deus” doesn’t come any closer to completely explaining God than “Dios” or “Gott.”
I would disagree. In my 1953 missal I find:
Sorry, I don’t think “spare” is banal.
Why, Kirk. I’m stunned. Are you suggesting that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass as celebrated in the Church for some 1,600 was an incentive to impiety? Is that what you’re saying?
Nope. Not in the least. Never said it “shouldn’t be” nor “couldn’t be.” Never said that it was an aid to impiety (though I don’t know that all of our “traditionalist” friends who post on these forums can say the same about what they’ve said regarding the Pauline Mass). Said there were benefits to the verancular.
What?? Maybe you are talking too fancy for me to understand what you mean. Perhaps you should give me the ICEL translation…
Backpedaling now, Kirk? How unbecoming.
If that’s not calling the Latin Mass an incentive to impiety, I don’t know what is.