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I have recently started attending Mass at a nearby church that is run by ICKSP and so therefore is exclusively traditional. I have been trying to get to grips with the Latin as well as the general order of the proceedings with varying degrees of success.

However, I have noticed that there are 2 elements that for some reason I cannot find in either the Missal offered by the LMS (Latin Mass Society) or in my own Missal (1962). Each Sunday (Mass is a Sung Mass by the way) after the reading of the Collect, the little red Missal states that the reading of the Epistle should follow. However, before the reading of the Epistle there is a another reading that I cannot find anywhere. Also at the end of Mass, following the final blessing & the last Gospel, we have yet another reading.

I am at a loss as to what these readings are and wondered if anybody had any idea as to what they could possibly be.

Thanks for any help.
 
EDKidd said:
However, I have noticed that there are 2 elements that for some reason I cannot find in either the Missal offered by the LMS (Latin Mass Society) or in my own Missal (1962). Each Sunday (Mass is a Sung Mass by the way) after the reading of the Collect, the little red Missal states that the reading of the Epistle should follow. However, before the reading of the Epistle there is a another reading that I cannot find anywhere. Also at the end of Mass, following the final blessing & the last Gospel, we have yet another reading.

I am at a loss as to what these readings are and wondered if anybody had any idea as to what they could possibly be.

Thanks for any help.
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The only thing I can think of is that the reading after the Collect may be another Collect. Sometimes a major feast day falls on a Sunday. The Collect of that feast day will be read first, then followed by the Collect of that Sunday. Sometimes there are multiple Secret and Post Communion prayers said as well.

What is said after the Last Gospel, I guess I’d have to hear for myself before I begin to guess.
 
ProVobis said:
The only thing I can think of is that the reading after the Collect may be another Collect. Sometimes a major feast day falls on a Sunday. The Collect of that feast day will be read first, then followed by the Collect of that Sunday. Sometimes there are multiple Secret and Post Communion prayers said as well.

What is said after the Last Gospel, I guess I’d have to hear for myself before I begin to guess.
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Commemorations are very rarely allowed at Sung Masses. The only Commemorations allowed at a Sung Mass are those that are considered “privileged.” These include: Sundays, Feasts of the I Class, Ferias of the II or III Class, the Major Litanies, Ember Days of September, and days of the Octave of Christmas.

How long is this other reading? Perhaps you are just hearing Father announce the Epistle: e.g. today was “Lectio Epistolae beati Pauli Apostoli ad Ephesios.”

After the Last Gospel, the Mass has technically ended, so it is permissible for the priest to lead popular devotions. So, this could be just about anything… prayers of Exposition and Benediction, the Rosary, a Chaplet, prayers to some particular saint, etc. The best way to find out would be to simply ask someone who has been at this church for some time (or the priest himself).
 
EDKidd said:
Sometime the most simple answer is the best. I will talk to the Priest on Sunday. Thanks.
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Talking to father, always the best answer.

You’ll know it all like the back of your hand someday, Ed. And I hear that the Institute’s Masses are as close to the ideal as it gets nowadays.
 
Rich_C said:
And I hear that the Institute’s Masses are as close to the ideal as it gets nowadays.
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After seeing the distance some people travel just to get to a Latin Mass, I am so fortunate that a fully operational traditional parish is only 12 miles away. Vespers, Benediction, Compline, Rosary and Mass of course every day. People in my part of the country are very blessed at the moment and hopefully the Institute can expand further.
 
EDKidd said:
After seeing the distance some people travel just to get to a Latin Mass, I am so fortunate that a fully operational traditional parish is only 12 miles away. Vespers, Benediction, Compline, Rosary and Mass of course every day. People in my part of the country are very blessed at the moment and hopefully the Institute can expand further.
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👍

(Also, note that the initials of the order are actually ICRSS…;))
 
EDKidd said:
After seeing the distance some people travel just to get to a Latin Mass, I am so fortunate that a fully operational traditional parish is only 12 miles away. Vespers, Benediction, Compline, Rosary and Mass of course every day. People in my part of the country are very blessed at the moment and hopefully the Institute can expand further.
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You said it. I drive 30 miles each way and I count myself lucky. Corsair drives over 100, I believe. I’ve met one person who claims his family sometimes drove as far as 600 miles roundtrip to go the the EF Mass in the 1970s. We happy few.
 
Listen to it. If it ends in, “Per Dominum Nostrum Iesum Christum…,” just like the collect, then it is another collect.
 
EDKidd said:
Hello
I have recently started attending Mass at a nearby church that is run by ICKSP and so therefore is exclusively traditional. I have been trying to get to grips with the Latin as well as the general order of the proceedings with varying degrees of success.

However, I have noticed that there are 2 elements that for some reason I cannot find in either the Missal offered by the LMS (Latin Mass Society) or in my own Missal (1962). Each Sunday (Mass is a Sung Mass by the way) after the reading of the Collect, the little red Missal states that the reading of the Epistle should follow. However, before the reading of the Epistle there is a another reading that I cannot find anywhere. Also at the end of Mass, following the final blessing & the last Gospel, we have yet another reading.

I am at a loss as to what these readings are and wondered if anybody had any idea as to what they could possibly be.

Thanks for any help.
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I may know the answer to your question!

Are you attending Saints Peter, Paul and Philomena at New Brighton - by the information you’ve given I guess you are. The priest there also says a Latin Mass at Preston at 8:30am every Sunday morning (that’s the Latin Mass I attend), and I asked exactly the same question a few months ago.

Assuming we’re talking about the same thing, the priest is adding a second Collect, Secret and Postcommunion for the Pope, they are prayers given in the Missal to pray for the Pope. When I asked the priest about it a few months ago, he said that when Pope Benedict XVI was elected Pope, he asked people to pray for him. So that’s what the priest is doing, adding these exstra prayers when the rubrics allow him to do so.

Regarding the second “reading” after the Last Gospel, it MAY be the Prayer for the Queen, but I’m not sure. If you check out this link: liturgialatina.org/misc/dominesalvam.htm
and the words sound familar from the end of Mass, that’s what it is. This prayer is traditionally sung in England after the main Sunday Mass.

Assuming we’re talking about the same Church (!) I think the red booklets provided are printed in the US and so may not contain info about a UK custom.
 
Mark1970 said:
I may know the answer to your question!

Are you attending Saints Peter, Paul and Philomena at New Brighton - by the information you’ve given I guess you are. The priest there also says a Latin Mass at Preston at 8:30am every Sunday morning (that’s the Latin Mass I attend), and I asked exactly the same question a few months ago.

Assuming we’re talking about the same thing, the priest is adding a second Collect, Secret and Postcommunion for the Pope, they are prayers given in the Missal to pray for the Pope. When I asked the priest about it a few months ago, he said that when Pope Benedict XVI was elected Pope, he asked people to pray for him. So that’s what the priest is doing, adding these exstra prayers when the rubrics allow him to do so.

Regarding the second “reading” after the Last Gospel, it MAY be the Prayer for the Queen, but I’m not sure. If you check out this link: liturgialatina.org/misc/dominesalvam.htm
and the words sound familar from the end of Mass, that’s what it is. This prayer is traditionally sung in England after the main Sunday Mass.

Assuming we’re talking about the same Church (!) I think the red booklets provided are printed in the US and so may not contain info about a UK custom.
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I am attending Saints Peter, Paul and Philomena at New Brighton & thanks for your great answer. That makes so much more sense now.
 
Mark1970 said:
I may know the answer to your question!

Are you attending Saints Peter, Paul and Philomena at New Brighton - by the information you’ve given I guess you are. The priest there also says a Latin Mass at Preston at 8:30am every Sunday morning (that’s the Latin Mass I attend), and I asked exactly the same question a few months ago.

Assuming we’re talking about the same thing, the priest is adding a second Collect, Secret and Postcommunion for the Pope, they are prayers given in the Missal to pray for the Pope. When I asked the priest about it a few months ago, he said that when Pope Benedict XVI was elected Pope, he asked people to pray for him. So that’s what the priest is doing, adding these exstra prayers when the rubrics allow him to do so.

Regarding the second “reading” after the Last Gospel, it MAY be the Prayer for the Queen, but I’m not sure. If you check out this link: liturgialatina.org/misc/dominesalvam.htm
and the words sound familar from the end of Mass, that’s what it is. This prayer is traditionally sung in England after the main Sunday Mass.

Assuming we’re talking about the same Church (!) I think the red booklets provided are printed in the US and so may not contain info about a UK custom.
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Awesome!👍
Blessings:)
 
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