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TheRealJuliane
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Go back and read the rest of the thread. It’s all there.
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Swiss_Guy
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I think you are referring to me.
I’m not supporting the right. I’m a moderate (except for social issues then I’m conservative). At least from my perspective, the left wants to get rid of private help for the poor, and the right wants to get rid of government help for the poor. We need both right now, but historically private help has worked better. Since 1964 we’ve spent 16 trillion on welfare, and how has that helped us? The government and the Church have to work together, and that isn’t happening in America.
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mikeyrobbie
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Personally I can be “pro-life” like the Church teaches while holding many “liberal” views. I’m practically for open immigration (which we all know the Church silently roots for because of what it means for mass attendance and tithing 
), I support preservation of high taxes and the social safety net to the grave, and I want the military to get cut by like 50%.
I also happen to be opposed to the death penalty in most cases (there is the rare exception).
I’m also a registered Democrat active in Democrats for life
), I support preservation of high taxes and the social safety net to the grave, and I want the military to get cut by like 50%.I also happen to be opposed to the death penalty in most cases (there is the rare exception).
I’m also a registered Democrat active in Democrats for life
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TheRealJuliane
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Glen, but you see, the system now has distorted how we are to help one another. Did Jesus tell the Roman government to take care of widows and orphans? No, he gave that mission to us, to the Church. Instead over time, the federal government has taken over that role, removing each of us from our individual as well as collective responsibilities to help one another. It starts in our own homes, with our relatives. “Charity begins in the home,” means that if your family member needs help, YOU should be the first solution. Family members have an obligation to give back in kind. Next, your neighborhood or small community should be the next level of appeal. That might include your church. If the church gives you help, you will feel grateful in proportion and want to help others or return the money once you get on your feet. Last resort should be a town or city aid society. NEVER the state and NEVER EVER the federal government.
By providing aid through our taxes, the federal government has 1) removed our rightful individual and religious obligation to do something to help others, and to take care of widows and orphans and 2) removed the obligation for the aid receivers to pay anything back. It has distorted the entire social fabric of our nation.
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mikeyrobbie
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The Church doesn’t have the resources to do it all by herself… There are several documents out there that give government the role in welfare…
Don’t ask me to name the Church documents but if you search their out there…
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TheRealJuliane
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Let me ask you something. In all seriousness, how can you be a Democrat when the Democrat Party platform includes ALL of the non-negotiables that Catholics cannot support? i.e. abortion, euthanasia, stem-cell research. Do you work to change the party platform? To return the party to some semblance of what it was pre-LBJ?Personally I can be “pro-life” like the Church teaches while holding many “liberal” views. I’m practically for open immigration (which we all know the Church silently roots for because of what it means for mass attendance and tithing
I also happen to be opposed to the death penalty in most cases (there is the rare exception).
I’m also a registered Democrat active in Democrats for life
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mikeyrobbie
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Why would I work for a party that supports endless wars and free markets supports gutting the preferential option for the poor?.. And in regards to the GOP why would I support a party for all those anti-catholic Evangelicals?
Did I not say I was pro-life or active in Democrats for life? Did I not say I was opposed to abortion, euthanasia (which the Democrats don’t support), and capital punishment.
Do you have a hotline to Jesus no one knows about kind sir to tell me who I can or cannot support with my God ordained freedoms?
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estesbob
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Yes I have a hotline. It’s called the Catholic Church. A church that cleary states we can not support abotion either directly or indirectly with our votes. Archbishop Chaput describes the mental gymnastics engaged in by Catholics who vote for pro-abortion candidates as being worthy of an Olympic Gymnastics gold medalWhy would I work for a party that supports endless wars and free markets supports gutting the preferential option for the poor?.. And in regards to the GOP why would I support a party for all those anti-catholic Evangelicals?
Did I not say I was pro-life or active in Democrats for life? Did I not say I was opposed to abortion, euthanasia (which the Democrats don’t support), and capital punishment.
Do you have a hotline to Jesus no one knows about kind sir to tell me who I can or cannot support with my God ordained freedoms?
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mikeyrobbie
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Did I not say I was pro-life?! I never have to vote for anyone pro choice because where I live my Congressman and senators are pro-life!
God did not command me to vote Republican just because they are pro-life… There are lots of pro life Democrats out there…
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estesbob
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They are very, very few Pro-life democrats on a National level and has not been a pro-life democrat presidential canidate in over a generation as we saw with the Bealth Care bore alleged Pro -life democrats like Stupak and Casey abandoned their pro- life constituencies in favor of their party . No one said God demanded we vote Republican
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mikeyrobbie
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You sure sound like it that I have no choice but to vote Republican…
I’ve already explained my reasoning for being a Democrat… Here’s a verse for you Brother in Christ “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
Matthew 7:5
Since you have a hotline to Jesus and all i thought I’d refer you it…
God Bless; I’m done here…
I’ve already explained my reasoning for being a Democrat… Here’s a verse for you Brother in Christ “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
Matthew 7:5
Since you have a hotline to Jesus and all i thought I’d refer you it…
God Bless; I’m done here…
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TheRealJuliane
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There is no need to get snarky. I asked you a question, don’t answer with a question back, just answer the question I asked you. If you are working to get abortion out of the Democrat Party platform, why not just say that?Why would I work for a party that supports endless wars and free markets supports gutting the preferential option for the poor?.. And in regards to the GOP why would I support a party for all those anti-catholic Evangelicals?
Did I not say I was pro-life or active in Democrats for life? Did I not say I was opposed to abortion, euthanasia (which the Democrats don’t support), and capital punishment.
Do you have a hotline to Jesus no one knows about kind sir to tell me who I can or cannot support with my God ordained freedoms?
Who is in a high position in Democrats for Life? I have never heard of this organization.
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AHapka
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Your party doesn’t. Did not Obama send cruise missles into Libya? Did he not promise to close gitmo and pull the troops out of Iraq.
Within 24 hours of being elected, President Obama could have ordered every troop out of Iraq as fast as we could fly them out, and he could have ordered gitmo closed and put every single prisoner on a plane to somewhere else. Yet, none of that happened? Why? He lied?
I am a republican who was against the wars, and still am. I think we should be very isolationist as a country. We have no business getting involved everywhere… But yet we do.
So the Democrats are just as pro-war as anyone else.
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RobbyS
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I am for such things–within reason. But the prudential thing must be asked: how does one pay for these things? The CDU in Germany managed to create such a net by careful management of the economy, building on the country’s experience since the 1880s. But to support your poor relatives, you have to have a healthy economy. The kindest landlord cannot help his tenants if the price of the commodities he sells dips too far below costs, and he has to sell or lease large sections of the Estate.Personally I can be “pro-life” like the Church teaches while holding many “liberal” views. I’m practically for open immigration (which we all know the Church silently roots for because of what it means for mass attendance and tithing
I also happen to be opposed to the death penalty in most cases (there is the rare exception).
I’m also a registered Democrat active in Democrats for life
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RobbyS
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I am not sure that one can be isolationist in this world. Washington meant “no entangling alliances.” But what happens if a power arise who threatens your best customers? or a necessary source of raw materials? History did not end with the fall of the Soviet Union. It did not end with the death of Hitler, or Napoleon. Human beings have been trading with one another, and warring with one another forever.
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RobbyS
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The government has also limited our ability to education our children as Christians.The public schools have a monopoly of money, so that only the very well-to-do can send their children to private schools. They also forbid any sort of religious instruction in the schools, and indeed persecute those who openly display
their faith. Some state even mandate the teachings of moral positions openly opposed to normative Christian traditions and often prevent parents from having a role in the instruction of the children. No wonder a growing number of parents have abandoned the public schools altogether. But this is an option denied to the poor.
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TheRealJuliane
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Home schooling is not denied to anyone.
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RobbyS
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Practically, it is. Who is going to work? But on my main point, public education not only has a monopoly of public funding, it wastes a huge portion of it. Not only does it build palatial schools in wealthy districts, but it fails to maintain older schools in poorer districts. School board squabble over available funding prevents them from keeping to a maintenance schedule, often because too much goes to pay unionized maintenance employees. In some place, such as in New York, janitors make as much as beginning teachers, and complicated union contracts prevent timely repairs. Principals who have no management skills are often unable to work with the maintenance supervisors. Incompetent managers in the center office are often unable properly to allocate funds, in part because they get involved in hair-brained schemes. In short, the schools function pretty much any government agency. After all, there is no bottom-line.
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4gsd
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Yes, that is very true. However, while people who are homosexual are called to abstain, the same holds true for heterosexuals who have not married. People who would find The Church’s expectations of homosexual abstinence ‘homophobic’ need to be made aware of this too. Again, The Church is very consitant. True enough, the Sacrament of marriage does not apply to homosexuals in The Catholic Church. The Left would/does have issues with that. But again…I appreciate that The Church welcomes all, and one person’s sin is not viewed as incrementaly greater than the other’s based only on ones orientation.
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