To Be in Heaven, You Must Be Catholic

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This is a non issue. You all seem to be overlooking traditional Catholic teaching on this point. The following statements on Outside the Catholic Church There is No Salvation are from the highest teaching authority of the Catholic Church. They are ex cathedra Papal decrees (decrees from the Chair of St. Peter). Therefore, they constitute the teaching given to the Catholic Church by Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Such teachings are unchangeable and are classified as part of the solemn magisterium (the extraordinary teaching authority of the Catholic Church).

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra: “There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice."

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation no remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311‐1312, ex cathedra: “Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non‐exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439,ex cathedra: “Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity.” Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, alms giving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516, ex cathedra: “For regulars and seculars, prelates and subjects, exempt and non‐exempt, belong to the one universal Church, outside of which no one at all is saved, and they all have one Lord and one faith.”

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess and truly hold…”

Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my own accord I now profess and truly hold…”

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”

All of the above infallible, (ex cathedra), Papal decrees can not ever be changed and will remain valid until the end of the world.
Is it true that the Roman Catholic Church has changed its infallible teaching here? In the present times, the Vatican has indicated that a Jew may be saved even though he does not convert to Roman Catholicism. Didn’t Cardinal Kasper say that the Old Law was salvific for Jews of today? And modern Popes have expressed their esteem for Islam and even kissed their holy book, the Koran? Why would a Pope kiss a book which would lead someone to hell, or does this indicate that the book was something holy and to be respected and admired and kissed?
 
Oh I’m sorry, if you dont know what the Gospel is then go ask your Priest he will be happy to inform you 👍

John 8:24
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
24 Therefore I said to you, that you shall die in your sins. For if you believe not that** I am**** he, you shall die in your sin.**

If you reject who Jesus truly is, both God and man then you are dead in your sins so its essiental. Salvation by grace?

Ephesians 2:8-9
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God;
9 Not of works, that no man may glory.
You do know that when you quote from Ephesians and John you are giving tacit approval to the authority of the Catholic Church, right?

For it was the CC which discerned for you and me that Ephesians and John belong in the New Testament.

You would not know it any other way.
 
However, He then proceeds to tell Peter that He is giving him the keys to Heaven… that one I can’t really figure out as a Protestant.
Yep. It’s an untenable position for a Protestant to hold, after reading that the keys were given to Peter. Especially in light of the OT reference to Eliakim.

You are familiar with that OT foreshadowing, right, dronald?
 
It seems to me that contate domino, which was issued in 1439?, 80 years before the Reformation, apparently was aimed at Orthodoxy. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

I would be interested to know why the Catholic Church gives permission to its members to receive the Eucharist in those “schismatic churches” who** “cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives;…”**

Jon
Because we cannot charge with the sin of separation those who are at present born into communities at schism with the OHCAC.
 
Why would a Pope kiss a book which would lead someone to hell, or does this indicate that the book was something holy and to be respected and admired and kissed?
Perhaps he ought not have done that. 🤷
 
I don’t believe that, “on this rock” is the most compelling argument because Jesus could have simply been using a play on words as He states that He will build His Church on Peter’s statement of Faith.
If so, then it makes absolutely no sense that in the clause immediately before that, Jesus names him “Peter” a name that means “Rock.”

(His original name was Simon.)

Jesus essentially said to him, Simon, you are Rock (here He gives him a new name, which is Peter) and upon this Rock (the person who has just been named “Peter” which means “Rock”) I build my Church.
However, He then proceeds to tell Peter that He is giving him the keys to Heaven… that one I can’t really figure out as a Protestant.
Here’s a clue for you. Look up Isaiah 22, and compare the wording of David giving the keys to Eliakim. 😉
 
You do know that when you quote from Ephesians and John you are giving tacit approval to the authority of the Catholic Church, right?

For it was the CC which discerned for you and me that Ephesians and John belong in the New Testament.

You would not know it any other way.
Your Church may or may not have compiled the Bible, but I never see anywhere that it says Church membership is essential for Salvation 👍
 
Your Church may or may not have compiled the Bible, but I never see anywhere that it says Church membership is essential for Salvation 👍
First you have to make a choice: did the CC or did she not “compile the Bible”?

If she did not, who was it that discerned for Christendom that Hebrews is inspired and the Didache is not?

Can you answer the question, yogo? Have you ever had this question even posed to you before coming here to the CAFs?
 
I Corinthians 12. 🙂
I read that whole chapter and it never ONCE stated that Church membership is necessary for salvation. Next time lets read scripture in its context. I guess we can throw John 3:16 and instead of believes it should say "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whosever believes [and is apart of the Roman Catholic Church] shall not perish but have eternal life.
 
I read that whole chapter and it never ONCE stated that Church membership is necessary for salvation. Next time lets read scripture in its context.
What do you want it to say? “Church membership is necessary for salvation?” it’s not going to say that, because back then, every Christian was a member of the Catholic Church. It would never have occurred to them to become “lone ranger Christians.”

In I Corinthians 12, St. Paul is explaining how we are to be members of the body. He assumes that we are members of the body, and that we want to be members of the body.

It doesn’t even occur to him that anyone would resist being a member of the body, or that they would want to separate themselves from the body and start up their own body, or just wander around without a body to belong to at all.

“The Body” is of course the Roman Catholic Church. 👍
I guess we can throw John 3:16 and instead of believes it should say "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son, that whosever believes [and is apart of the Roman Catholic Church] shall not perish but have eternal life.
You’re not aware yet, I’m guessing that that quote is from a larger section that is all about Roman Catholic Baptism. (HINT: Water and the Holy Spirit.) 😃
 
First you have to make a choice: did the CC or did she not “compile the Bible”?
No. She did not. It was the Greek Orthodox church which gave us the Codex Sinaiticus . Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament.
 
What do you want it to say? “Church membership is necessary for salvation?” it’s not going to say that, because back then, every Christian was a member of the Catholic Church. It would never have occurred to them to become “lone ranger Christians.”

In I Corinthians 12, St. Paul is explaining how we are to be members of the body. He assumes that we are members of the body, and that we want to be members of the body.

It doesn’t even occur to him that anyone would resist being a member of the body, or that they would want to separate themselves from the body and start up their own body, or just wander around without a body to belong to at all.

“The Body” is of course the Roman Catholic Church. 👍

You’re not aware yet, I’m guessing that that quote is from a larger section that is all about Roman Catholic Baptism. (HINT: Water and the Holy Spirit.) 😃
Lol what?This makes no sense. I dont see anywhere in the John 3:16 about Water Baptism 🤷
 
Lol what?This makes no sense. I dont see anywhere in the John 3:16 about Water Baptism 🤷
It’s that little word “and” that trips everybody up. 🙂

It’s not “or” or “instead of” it’s “and.” The water is required. So is the Holy Spirit. 🙂
 
It’s that little word “and” that trips everybody up. 🙂

It’s not “or” or “instead of” it’s “and.” The water is required. So is the Holy Spirit. 🙂
The Holy Spirit indwells in me, I dont see how this has anything to do with the Roman Catholic Church?:confused:
 
It’s that little word “and” that trips everybody up. 🙂

It’s not “or” or “instead of” it’s “and.” The water is required. So is the Holy Spirit. 🙂
It is not true that water is required for Baptism. There are three types of Baptism, Baptism of water, Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire. Water is required ONLY for Baptism of water. It is not required for Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire.
 
The Holy Spirit indwells in me, I dont see how this has anything to do with the Roman Catholic Church?:confused:
The Holy Spirit is the soul of the Roman Catholic Church. He empowers it to give the Sacraments and preserve the Holy Tradition for future generations. 🙂

If you have the Holy Spirit in you, then you are joined to the Catholic Church in a purely spiritual manner. This is an excellent thing!
 
It is not true that water is required for Baptism. There are three types of Baptism, Baptism of water, Baptism of Blood and Baptism of Desire. Water is required ONLY for Baptism of water. It is not required for Baptism of Blood, or Baptism of Desire.
Nobody intentionally gets Baptism of Blood or Baptism of Desire. These only occur if a person who was intended to be baptized with water dies a martyr’s death (blood), or dies before baptism can be completed (desire).
 
The Holy Spirit is the soul of the Roman Catholic Church. He empowers it to give the Sacraments and preserve the Holy Tradition for future generations. 🙂

If you have the Holy Spirit in you, then you are joined to the Catholic Church in a purely spiritual manner. This is an excellent thing!
Ephesians 1:13-14
King James Version (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

I dont think this has to do with a demoniation, but the Holy Spirit indwells in me. I’m born again and I’m on my way to Heaven 😃
 
No. She did not. It was the Greek Orthodox church which gave us the Codex Sinaiticus . Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament.
The Greek Orthodox Church? Heh. 😃

That was the Catholic Church. There was no Greek Orthodox until they split.
 
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