To buy son used car or motorcycle?

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I would never give a 16 year old a car. I would buy a second car, used, and let them drive it with permission -

Don’t make annoying modifications to the car. What seems cool at at 16 will seem silly soon. When he gets a job and can buy his OWN car, pay his own insurance, he can put **** on it.
 
Car for sure.

A motorcycle for a 16 year old? Not the best idea, regardless of how responsible he/she is.
 
I have more bad stories about motorcycles. 😦

I say go with the used car.

Or get both a car and vespa scooter that can only top out at 35 miles max, lol, not that even that speed can’t do harm, but it is like nanny proofing the beginner driver. Wish I had it back then, I was pretty dangerous behind the wheel at that age, pft, but nothing like other kids.
 
*I love CAF–I don’t even have to mull things over anymore. I place a question here, and my more than reasonable ‘friends’ give me the answers. 😃 A few of our family and friends second your motions, just was curious how you all felt too. Okay, the car it is…I agree with all reasons listed from weather to danger. The people drive like nuts in Florida, even a car can be hazardous 😊 but safer than a bike, no doubt.

Second question…would you buy a used one, like $5,000 or something like this and have him pay it back, or get a newer car for the family, and he can have the older one? He said he wants one of those obnoxious ‘tall’ spoilers on the back if he takes over the older car. lol My dh said he’d do it for him, as a gift – and put one of those obnoxious mufflers on it too. I said…whaaaaaa??? You know what I mean? You can hear a teenager these days coming from 2 miles away. :hypno:

Must be a guy thing. :rotfl: *
I hate those spoiler and the mufflers you are referring to. I think person’s IQ drops a 5 points for each decibel of sound and inch of spoiler they have on their car.

Car ownership is a very serious responsibility. Like everything else you have done with your children, including this, consider doing this in steps. If you feel you need a second family car, then consider getting one - as a family. Your son, as other have suggested, can drive the older car, but it is not his car. At least not yet. My son did not own his car, a car in his name, until he had an actual job and could pay the auto-related expenses and had moved out of the house. Before that, all the cars were family cars and he needed permission, or at least coordination, before he could use one. I say “coordination” because we nearly always said yes, but there were times, since we had either more drivers than cars, or two people needed the truck, so we had to coordinate who used which vehicle when. This seemed very natural and worked well.
 
I hate those spoiler and the mufflers you are referring to. I think person’s IQ drops a 5 points for each decibel of sound and inch of spoiler they have on their car.
*:rotfl: That’s funny, I was shocked when my husband agreed to buying this spolier thing for him. I like spoilers, not those featured in Fast & Furious. :hypno:

I agree, on having him use a car, and not have his name on one. No, he wouldn’t have his name on it, and frankly, if you list your teen on your insurance as owning his own car…holy cow, watch your bill soar! But I’m thinking it will still be way high, even with three cars, listing him as a driver, because insurance companies link everyone with the cars…so, he will still be linked to A car.*
 
**Please get him a car.

Every time my son leaves on his motorcycle i am terrified and i pray constantly to our Blessed Mother Mary for his safe return.
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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WG is it possible to let him get his license, drive one of your cars here and there for awhile, see how he does with the responsibility etc. and then get him something? Maybe after driving for awhile, he will have a better idea of what it takes to deal with a car and maintain one etc., out gas in it, KWIM? I just tend towards this because I just think it’s s big responsibility, and gives a lot of freedom that he may or may not be ready for? For a 16 yr old all of a sudden having the ability to just go anywhere anytime, is a lot. That and the fact that friends without wheels will turn him into their chauffeur LOL.

To me motorcycle is just not safe for a 16 yr old. Especially in Florida where seemingly no one knows how to drive or how to find 55 on their speedometers:rolleyes:
 
WG is it possible to let him get his license, drive one of your cars here and there for awhile, see how he does with the responsibility etc. and then get him something? Maybe after driving for awhile, he will have a better idea of what it takes to deal with a car and maintain one etc., out gas in it, KWIM? I just tend towards this because I just think it’s s big responsibility, and gives a lot of freedom that he may or may not be ready for? For a 16 yr old all of a sudden having the ability to just go anywhere anytime, is a lot. That and the fact that friends without wheels will turn him into their chauffeur LOL.

To me motorcycle is just not safe for a 16 yr old. Especially in Florida where seemingly no one knows how to drive or how to find 55 on their speedometers:rolleyes:
Good points! Especially about the responsibilities involved in car ownership.
 
Guess I am the odd “man” out. My husband is an experienced rider, with over 20 years under his belt. How do you think he got that much experience? He started as a teen.

He spent his childhood being carted around on his parents’ cycles. They would pack their saddlebags, Mom and Dad would each put a boy on the back of their bike, and they would go for long family trips and vacations that way.

As soon as he was able to get his permit, his parents started teaching him to ride. They knew how to ride safely and responsibly, so they wanted to make sure they were the ones to teach him how to do it right. They also required him to take a MSF safety course. I cannot stress the importance of that for beginning riders.

He was responsible enough that his parents let him ride his Mom’s bike to school the year we were seniors. The only time I remember him getting in trouble was when he thought he would impress his new girlfriend by giving her a ride home on the back of it (yes, he brought a helmet for me!) and Mom came home early and caught him pulling up. Boy did he get it that night, because he was not allowed to have passengers yet! I think, behind the scenes, though, they were secretly chuckling. Especially his Dad… 😉 I think the bike did get taken away for a couple of weeks after that. :o

My husband commutes over 30 miles (one way) to work every day on his bike, rain or shine. Yes, people think he is crazy, but he loves it that much. It’s therapy for him. When his last bike got stolen, before we got the insurance settlement, he was borrowing his Mom’s car. He told me that riding to work on four wheels was bumming him out!

Yes, there is risk. Yes, there are stupid people who don’t pay any attention. My husband’s instincts and ability to read driver behavior are so honed and fine-tuned from all his experience that he sees things coming. When we are in our van, and I am driving, he will warn me, “That guy’s gonna do X in a minute,” and every single time, he is right. He sees things I don’t. He sees things before I do, and I am attentive. No one is perfect, and some stuff is unavoidable. He has been in accidents caused by stupid drivers. He has been injured, though never seriously, thank God. He considers the risk worth it for the enjoyment and gas savings we get over him using a car. He would rather live with some risk than play it safe his whole life and die of boredom, or get creamed by a bus walking downtown without having had any fun. “When it’s your time, it’s your time. When it’s not, it’s not,” is what he says. P.S. He is also military, so I am sure that affects his outlook.

If my child were 16 and really responsible, I would allow him or her to have a motorcycle under the following conditions:

*No engine over 250 CCs. No beginner needs anything more than that.

Dad teaches you the basics and you take both the MSF basic and advanced courses.

You always wear your helmet, and if we catch you riding without it, you never ride again while you live in our house. No shorts or flip flops. No passengers until Dad determines you can carry them safely (or license is unrestricted, whichever comes LAST).

Dad has absolute power over whether you ride or not. He judges your skills, discipline, and commitment to safety. If he thinks you lack in any area, he will revoke your privilege to ride and only he can give it back, if ever.*

I think not allowing a child to ever do anything risky just because it is risky is not a wise policy. WG, I saw in some older threads that your son played football. He could have gotten a deadly injury in that sport, or brain damage, been paralyzed. If you would let him play tackle football, I think you could let him ride. As long as he has an experienced, knowledgeable rider to supervise and teach him.
 
*Thanks Salty…he is actually 16 NOW, and will be 17 in a few months, which is when is talking about all this…he has been driving for nearly a year, with us, using the permit. I think it’s interesting, your take on the motorcycle. I think my son, while it looks cool and all…he is very cautious, by nature. He gets it from me, I’m a very cautious driver…his dad on the other hand. :whistle: lol

kage–what can I do, my husband gave the okay about the spoiler already? In all seriousness, how do I not appear like I’m making my husband look like he’s going back on a promise? My husband is usually the logical buyer in the family, so his thoughts are…if he wants it, he doesn’t ever ask for a whole lot, why not get it for him, if it makes him happy? I find them to be silly looking. :o *
 
This is a tough thing for me. I was in a fatal car accident just a mile down my road, so I have been very hesitate in getting my now 18 y.o. son a car, but he starts classes in 2 weeks. My BIL has a car for him after buying a new van for his expanding family, but my son’s experience is lacking. These roads up here are highly dangerous and he has a long commute to school (1 1/2 hrs one way). We are trying to figure out how we are going to get him to school until he has some experience, then “let go of the reins”. You have to let go somewhat because before you know it, he is off to college. I say go the hand me down route. Tim
*:eek: Oh my gosh…you were in a fatal accident? I’m so sorry. 😦 I can see why you are hesitant. *
 
Personally, I’m against the idea of the motorcycle. It has nothing to do with how cautious or safe of a driver YOUR SON is - it has to do with the fact that others on the road have a harder time seeing motorcycles and accidents can happen more easily - and when they do happen on a motorcycle, it’s even more deadly. Helmet or not, if someone tags the back tire you could go flying through a windshield - low mass = high velocity impact. The mass of the car is a safety aspect, IMO…

So yeah… I’d look into a car. A reliable “new” used car for either your DH or your son, depending on what you level and deal you can find. Or if you find a good deal on a new car for your DH then pass the older one onto your son.

I inherited my parent’s old minivan in high school - now *THAT *was a rockin’ car for high school :rolleyes: (please please read that with just a dab of sarcasm). 😃 But looking back it was a nice safe vehicle overall.

Just my thoughts - good luck entering this new stage of parenting… I’m sure I’ll be asking similar questions when my boys get older!!
*A high shool teen driving a mini van…hee hee:D…I yes, I drove my family’s station wagon…brown and totally ugly…for the first year. No accidents or tickets? I could get a mustang…and I did, a used one…I thought I was so cool…until we moved to Boca Raton when I was a senior, and I drove up the first day…and there were kids driving masseratis??? (is that even spelled right?) 😃 And bmw’s and cadillacs…at 17? Brand new? Boca’s a little extreme though…any kid would be thrilled to drive the station wagon or the mini van so long as it meant FREEDOM. 😃 Right, EM? *
 
My son has been driving for a month. Within the next year we plan to add an add’l car to our family - something used, maybe $4000. Nothing fancy or too small… something that my son would be able to drive, with our permission. I just recently saw a BRIGHT yellow car… you couldn’t miss it. I told my son I wanted the car to be that color. He gaged. 😛
 
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My son has been driving for a month. Within the next year we plan to add an add’l car to our family - something used, maybe $4000. Nothing fancy or too small… something that my son would be able to drive, with our permission. I just recently saw a BRIGHT yellow car… you couldn’t miss it. I told my son I wanted the car to be that color. He gaged. 😛
*lol 😃 I agree with your potential choice for him…that’s around what we want to spend if we bought him something…but seeing that we truly NEED a new car (we have been milking this older honda forever, and it’s time to get something with less mileage) it might be the better bet for DS. *

*My daughter said that whatever car she ends up driving at 17…she is going to spend her money (woohoo) on a blue light to shine underneath. :ballspin: lol The add ons that kids get nowadays…I duuuunno. :shrug:And the bass blaring from it with the hip hop music…eek! *
 
I would never give a 16 year old a car. I would buy a second car, used, and let them drive it with permission -

Don’t make annoying modifications to the car. What seems cool at at 16 will seem silly soon. When he gets a job and can buy his OWN car, pay his own insurance, he can put **** on it.
I quite agree. While ds has “his car”, he knows it is really my car 😉 He still has to ask to use it, and follow reasonable rules. I really think that car ownership is something you should ease them into. He has been responsible for helping with repairs, he must keep gas in the car, and learn that there is a lot to owning a car.
Guess I am the odd “man” out. My husband is an experienced rider, with over 20 years under his belt. How do you think he got that much experience? He started as a teen.

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I think not allowing a child to ever do anything risky just because it is risky is not a wise policy. WG, I saw in some older threads that your son played football. He could have gotten a deadly injury in that sport, or brain damage, been paralyzed. If you would let him play tackle football, I think you could let him ride. As long as he has an experienced, knowledgeable rider to supervise and teach him.
I absolutely agree, but not on the open road as his only option. If you are only going to get one, then a car is better than a motorcycle. DS has a motorcycle, I think it is a fairly nice one too, but don’t know a lot about them. He is allowed to drive it only supervised. We have enough land that he can ride it around here, and dh and his brothers take him out on some back roads near the house where there are very few cars. I want him to have plenty of experience, but he is not getting free reign until he is 18.

I admit, I have a bias. When he was about 12, a friend let him on one of those “dirt bikes”, I didn’t even realize it was a motorcycle. It left a hole in his leg big enough for the dr’s hand to fit in. He has a huge scar, and needed surgery and a skin graft to put it back together again.

Had he been with his dad, or one of his uncles this would have never happened. Simply because they would have never let him on any kind of motorized bike with shorts and sandals :eek: So I agree with the idea that we must teach him safety, and he must be allowed to ride the bike supervised. But no way is he allowed to ride it regularly on the road until he is 18.

As a Mom, I reserve the right to not be rational about some things 😉

However, due to the laws here, I will let him take the motorcycle safety class offered by the highway patrol when he is 17. The class is mandatory to get your motorcycle endorsement here, and you can’t legally drive a motorcycle on public roads without the endorsement. But, it is free to under 18’s, and if he passes the class he automatically gets his endorsement without having to pay to take the test. If he waits until he’s 18 the class is around $50, plus testing fees. So I feel it would be unreasonable to make him wait and pay the extra money.
 
Are you okay? :eek:
Yeah, thanks for asking. I once bruised a kidney when I was 12. People just don’t see bikes. They cut you off, pull out in front of you…Most of my wrecks have been on dirt, but the few on the street, I was lucky or blessed. Tim
 
Yeah, thanks for asking. I once bruised a kidney when I was 12. People just don’t see bikes. They cut you off, pull out in front of you…Most of my wrecks have been on dirt, but the few on the street, I was lucky or blessed. Tim
*Your guardian angel was working overtime with you, Tim. 😃 Glad you’re ok…if you still ride, please be careful!! *
 
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