To Catholics and Seventh-day Adventists

[Maria1212]

Most High, Glorious God
lighten the darkness of my heart
and grant everyone here at CAF, Lord,
a correct faith,
a certain hope,
a perfect charity,
and sense of knowledge,
so that we may carry out
your holy command.

—St. Francis of Assisi.

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

I wonder why sda don’t keep all 613 torah laws?

 

[jediliz]

You know, I wonder if this SDA nurse that my mom worked with had to work Saturdays? Wouldn’t that have been a sin for her? Well, she couldn’t have been able to help it. She was a nurse - she worked in the medical field and hospitals aren’t closed on the weekends.

The reason Catholics have Sunday as the Sabbath is because that’s the day that Jesus rose up from the grave. Easter SUNDAY. It was also probably to distiinguish from the Jewish Sabbath.

Jesus was reprimanded for healing someone on the Sabbath, are doctors reprimanded for delivering babies on Saturday or Sunday?

 

[andrec]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Andrec has zero credibility.

I gave the person an online reference but he didn;t want that. So therefore I am putting it at him to go research himself because it will give him more of an impact.

Also, the Adventist Church is NOT against Catholicism but the Adventist Church EXPOSES the wrong teachings of the Catholic Church.Some teachings may be,

Hailing Mary,
In hailing Our Blessed Mother, Mary, we simply follow the example of the Angel of God who announced that Mary would be the Mother of God.

Worship on Sunday,
The Church has the power under the New Covenant, to set the day of worship.

Not keeping the Sabbath holy.

Are we to keep the Sabbath like the Orthodox Jews?

Also, you can find ANY book on the dark age. The Catholic locked up the bibles.

The Church chained bibles in the churches to keep these valuable books from being stolen and so that they might be available to any that could read. They were not locked away, but simply chained, like the pens in the Post Office.

I really got nothing more to say. If you watched the sermons on TV and read your Bible, I got nothing to say.

Hailing Mary,
In hailing Our Blessed Mother, Mary, we simply follow the example of the Angel of God who announced that Mary would be the Mother of God.
Bible Reference Please.
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Worship on Sunday,
The Church has the power under the New Covenant, to set the day of worship.
Not keeping the Sabbath holy.**

Tell me a text in the BIBLE where it says the Church has power to change the day of worship.

**
Not keeping the Sabbath holy.

Are we to keep the Sabbath like the Orthodox Jews?**

Your suppose to keep it holy like the BIBLE says. I see many catholics and other Sunday worshippers doing their own thing right after church such as going to work.

**]Also, you can find ANY book on the dark age. The Catholic locked up the bibles.
**
The Church chained bibles in the churches to keep these valuable books from being stolen and so that they might be available to any that could read. They were not locked away, but simply chained, like the pens in the Post Office.

Reference to that please. Also, even if that is true, why didn’t they make more copies of the bible for the people to send home?

I wonder why sda don’t keep all 613 torah laws?

Which ones do they break?

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I am glad you have nothing else to say because you will avoid embarrassing yourself by exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you should read your Bible a little closer.**

I’m only a teen. I am saying from what I know in the BIBLE. I am giving bible references. You aren’t. Until you can give BIBLE references, I rest my case.

Also, if you can prove to the Adventist Church that their doctrines are wrong, I am pretty possitively sure they would change it to be true. You must remember, the Adventist Church follows the teachings of the BIBLE.

As for worshipping the Lord on Sunday, we are guilty as charged! But the last time I checked, worshiping the Lord was neither a crime, nor a sin! We Catholics worship the Lord every day!! We can attend Mass seven days a week, thanks be to
God!

That is good that you admit to that wrong of your church. However, you must remember the BIBLE also says, Remember to keep the Sabbath day **HOLY. ** Therefore, no work at all. Read Exodus 20.

 

[St_Violet]

Hailing Mary,
In hailing Our Blessed Mother, Mary, we simply follow the example of the Angel of God who announced that Mary would be the Mother of God.
Bible Reference Please.
**
Worship on Sunday,**
The Church has the power under the New Covenant, to set the day of worship.
Not keeping the Sabbath holy.

Tell me a text in the BIBLE where it says the Church has power to change the day of worship.

**
Not keeping the Sabbath holy.
**
Are we to keep the Sabbath like the Orthodox Jews?

Your suppose to keep it holy like the BIBLE says. I see many catholics and other Sunday worshippers doing their own thing right after church such as going to work.

****]Also, you can find ANY book on the dark age. The Catholic locked up the bibles.

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The Church chained bibles in the churches to keep these valuable books from being stolen and so that they might be available to any that could read. They were not locked away, but simply chained, like the pens in the Post Office.

Reference to that please. Also, even if that is true, why didn’t they make more copies of the bible for the people to send home?

I wonder why sda don’t keep all 613 torah laws?

Which ones do they break?

**
I am glad you have nothing else to say because you will avoid embarrassing yourself by exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you should read your Bible a little closer.**

I’m only a teen. I am saying from what I know in the BIBLE. I am giving bible references. You aren’t. Until you can give BIBLE references, I rest my case.

Also, if you can prove to the Adventist Church that their doctrines are wrong, I am pretty possitively sure they would change it to be true. You must remember, the Adventist Church follows the teachings of the BIBLE.

As for worshipping the Lord on Sunday, we are guilty as charged! But the last time I checked, worshiping the Lord was neither a crime, nor a sin! We Catholics worship the Lord every day!! We can attend Mass seven days a week, thanks be to
God!

That is good that you admit to that wrong of your church. However, you must remember the BIBLE also says, Remember to keep the Sabbath day **HOLY. ** Therefore, no work at all. Read Exodus 20.

Hail Mary:

Gospel of Luke 1:28 “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee”
Luke 1:42 “Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb”

*Tell me a text in the BIBLE where it says the Church has power to change the day of worship. *

first read Matthew 16 : 13-20 so Christ gave Peter authority over his flock, and Peter gave the authority to his sucessors.

Acts 20:7
Colossians 2:17–19
Romans 14:5–6

*Reference to that please. Also, even if that is true, why didn’t they make more copies of the bible for the people to send home? *

because the printing press didn’t exist yet, bibles were hand written, papers really really expensive they were made from wheats (if my memory serves me right) it would take a monk 6 months full time to translate and rewrite the bible not the mention all the process it would take re-read the bible for any errors by a few people, and the process it would take the finally authorize it to be used for the public, and also illiteracy was commo during those times, people relied on their priest to read from the bible, and the priest of course had to be authorized by the Church as well, so that people wouldn’t come up with crazy beliefs.

*I’m only a teen. I am saying from what I know in the BIBLE. I am giving bible references. You aren’t. Until you can give BIBLE references, I rest my case. *

I’m glad to see someone at your age decided to read the bible, this isn’t something you see everyday now days, I pray that the Lord will guide you in your search for truth and understanding.

*Also, if you can prove to the Adventist Church that their doctrines are wrong, I am pretty possitively sure they would change it to be true. You must remember, the Adventist Church follows the teachings of the BIBLE. *

their reasons for keeping the sabbath is wrong. and they are very well known to twist and misrepresent history inorder to justify their interpretations of history. they rely on a false prophet named ellen g white for guidance in understanding scripture

 

[Eileen_T]

why didn’t they make more copies of the bible for the people to send home?

After Rome was sacked by the Visigoths and the Barbarian hoards overran the Roman Empire, the resulting chaos was enormous. Libraries were destroyed and it was largely due to the Irish monks and scribes that not only the Bible, but many classical works were saved.

The people who could read were those same monks and scribes, living in monasteries or at some king’s or nobleman’s Court.

Goose quills had to be cured, calfskins sanded to make vellum, ink prepared. If a mistake was made, you couldn’t just tear up the vellum and grab another sheet. So the work went slowly and carefully to avoid expensive errors.

It took a monk about a year to hand copy the entire Bible, so Bibles were scarce. The chain kept it safe from loss or theft, so all the people of the church who were capable of reading could do so, even though they could not afford a copy of their own.

What would you say was an average annual wage today? If I have a job earning $500 per week, that’s $26,000 per year. If I had a book that was worth $26,000 I sure wouldn’t leave it lying around for someone to steal.

 

[andrec]

For those bible text, I am hope I won’t have to say anything more. Those bible text never proved anything.

First of all, you never proved your point that it is right to hail Mary.

Second, you never proved your point that the church has the power to change the day of worship.

Third, even if Ellen G. White was a false prophet, we still rely on the bible above all. And you cannot prove that the sabbath is the wrong day of worship.

Forth, Ellen G. White had a vision and she wasn’t breathing at all. I wonder who was giving her breath in that case. whiteestate.org/issues/VisionsofEGW.html

 

[hosemonkey]

For those bible text, I am hope I won’t have to say anything more. Those bible text never proved anything.

First of all, you never proved your point that it is right to hail Mary.

Second, you never proved your point that the church has the power to change the day of worship.

Third, even if Ellen G. White was a false prophet, we still rely on the bible above all. And you cannot prove that the sabbath is the wrong day of worship.

Forth, Ellen G. White had a vision and she wasn’t breathing at all. I wonder who was giving her breath in that case. whiteestate.org/issues/VisionsofEGW.html

You are zealous, but you are wet behind the ears. Come back when you have gained some knowledge and some wisdom to go along with it. To other posters: This boy needs to be ignored until he can gain both knowledge and wisdom and hopefully some manners to go along with them.

 

[Eileen_T]

For those bible text, I am hope I won’t have to say anything more. Those bible text never proved anything.

First of all, you never proved your point that it is right to hail Mary.

Second, you never proved your point that the church has the power to change the day of worship.

Third, even if Ellen G. White was a false prophet, we still rely on the bible above all. And you cannot prove that the sabbath is the wrong day of worship.

Forth, Ellen G. White had a vision and she wasn’t breathing at all. I wonder who was giving her breath in that case. whiteestate.org/issues/VisionsofEGW.html

“The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; so the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.” [Mark 2:27-28; RSV].

The Resurrection of Christ occurred on Easter Sunday (John 20:1). Secondly, the Holy Spirit descended upon the Church on Pentecost Sunday (Acts 2:1). Also after His Resurrection, Jesus appeared to the Apostles twice, each on Sunday (John 20:19 & 26). As a result, Sunday became known as the Lord’s Day for Christians.

*Therefore let no one pass judgement on you in questions of food or drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon **or a Sabbath. *These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. [Col. 2:16-17] So, according to St Paul, the Hebrew diet, festivals and Sabbaths are no longer obligations for Christians.

St. Paul told the Corinthians to contribute money to the Church each Sunday (1 Cor 16:1-2). Why Sunday, if the day they gathered was Saturday?

Rev. 1:10, St. John** “was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day.”** This is the only place in the Bible where the phrase “the Lord’s day” occurs. If his vision occurred on Saturday, St. John would have written “the Sabbath” instead of using a new phrase.

*Assemble on the Lord’s Day, and break bread and offer the Eucharist; but first make confession of your faults, so that your sacrifice may be a pure one. *[The Didache 14:1] Written in the 1st century.

And we too rejoice in celebrating the eighth day; because that was when Jesus rose from the dead… [Epistle of Barnabas 15] c.100A.D.

If SDA’s haven’t replaced the Sabbath with the Lord’s Day, as the early Christians did, does that mean they didn’t replace circumcisiom with baptism either?

 

[andrec]

All I have to say now, is that I rest my case. I am not “dissing” you church. I am just trying to let you know what is wrong from what isn’t. I am not trying to be mean in any way.

I was trying to straighten out some of the false ideas you had about the Adventist Church and straighten out the false ideas you had about the bible.

And Eiteen T, your references are still irrelevant because they are not proving your point. Your making conclusions that the bible doesn’t even say.

As for you, horsemonkey, I don’t really know what knowledge I need to learn. Pretty much everything I said was from a reference. I don’t need knowledge to point out references.

All I am gonna ask you people to do, is read your Bible closely. You don’t even need to read Ellen G.White books. We all read the same bible, right? If we all read it very closely, we can straighten out what is wrong between the different denominations out there.

 

[Eileen_T]

You are zealous, but you are wet behind the ears. Come back when you have gained some knowledge and some wisdom to go along with it. To other posters: This boy needs to be ignored until he can gain both knowledge and wisdom and hopefully some manners to go along with them.

I agree. He has the usual trick of ignoring answers that he cannot refute logically.

andrec:

All I have to say now, is that I rest my case. I am not “dissing” you church. I am just trying to let you know what is wrong from what isn’t. I am not trying to be mean in any way.

I was trying to straighten out some of the false ideas you had about the Adventist Church and straighten out the false ideas you had about the bible.

As for you, horsemonkey, I don’t really know what knowledge I need to learn. Pretty much everything I said was from a reference. I don’t need knowledge to point out references.

All I am gonna ask you people to do, is read your Bible closely. You don’t even need to read Ellen G.White books. We all read the same bible, right? If we all read it very closely, we can straighten out what is wrong between the different denominations out there.

Our Church has not only been reading the Bible for nearly 2000 years, it wrote the Bible and preserved it from bad translators and heretics during that time.

According to the Bible, the disciples had to **explain **the Scriptures, not leave it up to the individual. (2 Pet 3:15-16 and 2 Pet 1:20-21) That is the function of the Church. It is the practice of everyone relying on his/her own interpretation that has led to so many divisions, aka denominations.

 

[andrec]

I’m gonna finish it here. All I have to say is, read your Bible. If you see anything wrong with the Adventist doctrine, take it up with the Adventist church officially.

If they know there doctrine is wrong in any way, I am very sure they will change it because they follow the bible very closely.

I hope this topic ends here.

P.S. I am not avoiding those topics. I try to reply to all the topics in one instead of quoting everyone because there is so much people replying and quoting me.

 

[hosemonkey]

I’m gonna finish it here. All I have to say is, read your Bible. If you see anything wrong with the Adventist doctrine, take it up with the Adventist church officially.

If they know there doctrine is wrong in any way, I am very sure they will change it because they follow the bible very closely.

I hope this topic ends here.

P.S. I am not avoiding those topics. I try to reply to all the topics in one instead of quoting everyone because there is so much people replying and quoting me.

Adventist doctrine is wrong in so many areas that they are almost non-Christian. It’s a borderline cult.

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

For those bible text, I am hope I won’t have to say anything more. Those bible text never proved anything.

QUOTE]

 

[Maria1212]

To other posters: This boy needs to be ignored until he can gain both knowledge and wisdom and hopefully some manners to go along with them.

I agree. All of the questions he raised have been addressed multiple times here at CAF. They are all easily refuted (just click on the links below my signature) or do a search.

I am happy to address honest and genuine questions. But it is a waste of time to engage in dialogue with someone who is not sincere. Moreover, it rewards rude manners.

In the interim, let`s keep on praying for our Adventist brothers and sisters.

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[Maria1212]

. And you cannot prove that the sabbath is the wrong day of worship.

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You can find answers to all of your questions at the link below, and by clicking on the links beneath my signature. And by the way, no one here is saying it is wrong to worship the Lord on the Jewish sabbath (saturday). We Catholics workship Jesus every day!! Many Catholics attend daily Mass. I worship Jesus every day, including Saturday, whether by attending Mass or by praying at home.

You have learned a lot of misinformation. Your intentions are sincere, I am sure, but you need to learn the facts. And you need to address your fellow posters in a polite and courtesy way. Until you learn to do that, people will not want to waste their time by responding. You do a huge disservice to the Adventist Church by displaying poor manners. Most Adventists are very polite, but you have not shown us very much politeness.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=108169

Sincerely,

Maria1212

 

[andrec]

Which topics where I trying to avoid. Throw them at me.

Also, why does the Catholic Church believe it is right to charge families to send their relatives out of purgatory. Someone, please give me a bible reference for that.

Also, one thing I know for fact is that any church that follows the bible such as the Adventist Church is not a cult. The Adventist Church follows the bible plainly.

That text about the people meeting on the first day of the week to pay their money, that does not prove that is first day of the week is Sabbath still.

Also, you are avoiding the fact that your suppose to keep the Seventh-Day holy. Adventist worship on everyday of the week to, however you must remember that the bible also says keep the Seventh-Day HOLY. **Therefore no work on your property etc. **

 

[Delraek]

My sister just started dating a guy who is a Seventh-Day Adventist (SDA from now on).

I was just wondering what it is that they believe in? How different are their beliefs to the CC’s? Does anyone know? Can anyone explain?

I want the best for my sister, and the fact that I am married to a JW makes me want to tell her not to to get too serious w/someone who isn’t a Catholic. Knowing her, she won’t care now because she’s not a practincing Catholic, but in the long run, she’ll start caring just as I did. Been there done that…

Hi yessisan,

Not that it’s any of my business, but how does a Catholic marry a JW? Did you get married in the Catholic church? I would have thought JW’s wouldn’t allow that. How do you celebrate Christmas or don’t you? I guess he would have a good reason to forget your birthday, tho! (Sorry, couldn’t help myself!)

I don’t mean to sound frivolous - it just seems like a very difficult situation!

 

[St_Violet]

Which topics where I trying to avoid. Throw them at me.

Also, why does the Catholic Church believe it is right to charge families to send their relatives out of purgatory. Someone, please give me a bible reference for that.

Also, one thing I know for fact is that any church that follows the bible such as the Adventist Church is not a cult. The Adventist Church follows the bible plainly.

That text about the people meeting on the first day of the week to pay their money, that does not prove that is first day of the week is Sabbath still.

Also, you are avoiding the fact that your suppose to keep the Seventh-Day holy. Adventist worship on everyday of the week to, however you must remember that the bible also says keep the Seventh-Day HOLY. **Therefore no work on your property etc. **

Also, why does the Catholic Church believe it is right to charge families to send their relatives out of purgatory. Someone, please give me a bible reference for that.*

charging people, I assume you referring to the time of Martin Luther, if you are, then I suggest you look closer into History.

*Also, one thing I know for fact is that any church that follows the bible such as the Adventist Church is not a cult. The Adventist Church follows the bible plainly. *

again, if you really research the Seventh Day Adventist as I have, you begin to discover that they follow the Bible UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF THE TEACHINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE, a woman who has proven many times to be a false prophet, a woman who knew very little history of christianity/catholocism, and used her lack of knowledge of history to prove that the Pope is the anti-christ. you also realize that if the SDA CHURCH eliminate ellen g white completly , then the foundation of the church would be gone.

That text about the people meeting on the first day of the week to pay their money, that does not prove that is first day of the week is Sabbath still.

well these textes were supposed to show that, the practice of keeping saturday holy has transition to sunday during the time of the apostles, so the apostles were not against this, infact there letters from the early church fathers about this, the best example is Ignatius of Antioch, if you research him, he was a student of John the apostle, this is what he said

“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things * have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

*Also, you are avoiding the fact that your suppose to keep the Seventh-Day holy. Adventist worship on everyday of the week to, however you must remember that the bible also says keep the Seventh-Day *

well , let us keep in mind that the sabbath was only given to the Jews, Sunday is the christian sabbath, the break between christians and judiaism was not the belief christ was the messiah , the split came about was because Christians believe the law including sabbath was no longer necessary for both jews and gentiles.*