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Daniel_Marsh
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I suggest she run from this guy as fast as she can drive.
According to SDAism,
the pope is the antichrist,
they deny hell, teach that all wicked will be destroyed
they deny, that people are alive in heavan now, but are only sleeping in the grave
If he is a semi-arain or homean arian SDA, then he denies the trinity.
They have a bizzare view of second coming prophecy.
Tell her to look into thier views of marriage.
According to SDAism,
the pope is the antichrist,
they deny hell, teach that all wicked will be destroyed
they deny, that people are alive in heavan now, but are only sleeping in the grave
If he is a semi-arain or homean arian SDA, then he denies the trinity.
They have a bizzare view of second coming prophecy.
Tell her to look into thier views of marriage.
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Daniel_Marsh
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Rolltide
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It should also be noted that Charles Taze Russell, who founded the Jehovah’s Witnesses, was heavily influenced by the Adventist movement (it’s where he learned most of his theology), although the JW’s eventually went their own way.
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St_Violet
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I recommend that the Seventh Day adventist revise their doctrine, have a required revelations seminar and come clean about their errors and teach them honest history, to revise the teachings and prophecies of Ellen G White and when they revise it and discover she is a false prophet then I would also recommend they stop promoting the book “the great controversy” because if they were sincere and a loving group of people they would not dare to misguide someone into false history. I also recommend they revise their interpretation of revelations because once they have been taught honest history, their interpreation of revelations will fly out the window, then use the book of revelations to promote Hope like the Catholic Church does instead of using the book to bare false witness against the CC. the book of revelations is not a guessing game, it saddens me that the Seventh Day Adventist still committ the same errors they have done during the Millerite movment, the book of revelations isn’t a guessing game or a puzzle, it’s a book to simply help us have hope. I also recommend they acknowledge there isn’t anything wrong with keeping a day besides the sabbath as the day of rest.
I come across people who simply won’t believe that Peter was indeed the first pope for the Catholic Church even though you bring them massive evidence. the way I put it is like this since the SDAs are soo quick to blame the Catholic Church for changing the Sabbath
“If you finally accept that Peter was the first Pope for the Catholic Church, then the Catholic Church indeed changed the sabbath, but if you continue to be ignorant and decide to believe Peter was not the first Pope, then no the Catholic Church did not change the sabbath”
because really the SDAs have the realize it’s either one or the other but either way it will help them go a lil further towards truth.
I come across people who simply won’t believe that Peter was indeed the first pope for the Catholic Church even though you bring them massive evidence. the way I put it is like this since the SDAs are soo quick to blame the Catholic Church for changing the Sabbath
“If you finally accept that Peter was the first Pope for the Catholic Church, then the Catholic Church indeed changed the sabbath, but if you continue to be ignorant and decide to believe Peter was not the first Pope, then no the Catholic Church did not change the sabbath”
because really the SDAs have the realize it’s either one or the other but either way it will help them go a lil further towards truth.
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Tonks40
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As my college professors have said, “Never use Wikipedia as a reliable source.” Even the founder of this site said that it should not be used as such.
As for your comments on the Sabbath vs. Sunday - chained up bibles? And do you think these people who could not challenge the bible did not have access in the Church to the Word of God? God never changed the Sabbath - who, then, is Jesus Christ to you?
Please cite reliable sources next time you decide to post this dribble on a Catholic apologetics forum.
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hosemonkey
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This is the kind of stuff that you find n SDA websites. They are extremely anti-Catholic and about as close to the JW cult as you can get. There has been much speculation as to whether they are truly Christian or not. I do know that their so-called “prophetess” was kind of a nutjob.
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Maria1212
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I see this thread has been revived.
For anyone interested in learning about Adventists beliefs, I recommend the following thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=108169
For any Catholic interested in dating an Adventist, tell them immediately that you will only marry in the Catholic Church, and that you will raise your kids Catholic. That will most likely send them running in the opposite direction. Unless they think they can change your mind, or unless they are not a “praciticing Adventist.”
Adventists are wonderful loving people but are very misguided. Particularly on matters of Christian history. They differ very much from most Protestant groups. If Adventistism is very important to the man that the OP`s sister is starting to date, unless she converts, the relationship is not likely to go very far.
In addition to the thread posted above, click on the links below my signature for more info on Adventism.
Finally, many Adventists like to come and “stir the pot” on threads like this, starting with the “the sabbath versus Sunday” debate. Their arguments are very circular, and they usually don`t stick around CAF very long. They know how to give “stock answers” much then get stumped and disappear, usually with a final post about how anti-Adventist us Catholics are.
Sincerely,
Maria1212
For anyone interested in learning about Adventists beliefs, I recommend the following thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=108169
For any Catholic interested in dating an Adventist, tell them immediately that you will only marry in the Catholic Church, and that you will raise your kids Catholic. That will most likely send them running in the opposite direction. Unless they think they can change your mind, or unless they are not a “praciticing Adventist.”
Adventists are wonderful loving people but are very misguided. Particularly on matters of Christian history. They differ very much from most Protestant groups. If Adventistism is very important to the man that the OP`s sister is starting to date, unless she converts, the relationship is not likely to go very far.
In addition to the thread posted above, click on the links below my signature for more info on Adventism.
Finally, many Adventists like to come and “stir the pot” on threads like this, starting with the “the sabbath versus Sunday” debate. Their arguments are very circular, and they usually don`t stick around CAF very long. They know how to give “stock answers” much then get stumped and disappear, usually with a final post about how anti-Adventist us Catholics are.
Sincerely,
Maria1212
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Gabriel_of_12
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**QUOTE=andrec;2729067]Okay, we need to turn to our bibles.
In Exodus 20:8-11 it says
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
God NEVER changed the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday. That is why Seventh-Day Adventist go to church on Saturday as there Sabbath. **
I have always been curious about SDA andrec. Do SDA in keeping the old covenant Sabbath, do they follow the precepts of the the Mosaic laws and the prescriptions according to scripture., for the fact there is no longer the temple of sacrafice and offerings in Jerusalem. Do SDA really keep the Sabbath or just hold bible meetings on Saturdays?
for example I wont mention all 600 laws pertaining to the Sabbath just a few,
Exodus 16:29 take note! the Lord has given you the Sabbath.That is why on the sixth day he gives you food for two days. On the seventh day everyone is to stay home and no one is to go out.
Numbers 28:9 On the Sabbath day you shall offer two unblemished yearling lambs, with their cereal offering two tenths of a ephah of fine flower mixed with oil and with their libations. Each Sabbath there shall be the Sabbath holocaust in addition to the established holocaust and its libation.
Exodus 31:14 Therefore you must keep the Sabbath as something sacred. Whoever desecrates it shall be put to death. …15 …anyone who does work on the Sabbath shall be put to death.
Are SDA’s keeping the Sabbath better than the Jews to which it was prescribed? In keeping the old covenant Sabbath is to deny Jesus Christ purpose of his death and resurrection to deliver humanity from the death of the covenant that man proved could not keep. Jesus delivered us into a new and everlasting covenant,where we offer up the perpetual sacrafice of the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, along with the cereal and libation offering in the species of bread and wine what The Catholic Church calls the body and blood of the lamb of God Jesus Christ himself in the sacred Eucharist.
P.S **Catholics do worship on the Sabbath **(Saturdays) along with every day of the week. For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations, and everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering, for great is my name among the nations, says the Lord of hosts(Malachi 1:11) The Catholic Church is one Church World wide and there is a sacrafice and pure offering being offered to God daily until Jesus returns finding his Church doing so. I will be willing to clear up the misinformation you’ve been given about the history of the church, and you can clear up how SDA’s honor the Sabbath.
Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
In Exodus 20:8-11 it says
8 "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
God NEVER changed the Saturday Sabbath to Sunday. That is why Seventh-Day Adventist go to church on Saturday as there Sabbath. **
I have always been curious about SDA andrec. Do SDA in keeping the old covenant Sabbath, do they follow the precepts of the the Mosaic laws and the prescriptions according to scripture., for the fact there is no longer the temple of sacrafice and offerings in Jerusalem. Do SDA really keep the Sabbath or just hold bible meetings on Saturdays?
for example I wont mention all 600 laws pertaining to the Sabbath just a few,
Exodus 16:29 take note! the Lord has given you the Sabbath.That is why on the sixth day he gives you food for two days. On the seventh day everyone is to stay home and no one is to go out.
Numbers 28:9 On the Sabbath day you shall offer two unblemished yearling lambs, with their cereal offering two tenths of a ephah of fine flower mixed with oil and with their libations. Each Sabbath there shall be the Sabbath holocaust in addition to the established holocaust and its libation.
Exodus 31:14 Therefore you must keep the Sabbath as something sacred. Whoever desecrates it shall be put to death. …15 …anyone who does work on the Sabbath shall be put to death.
Are SDA’s keeping the Sabbath better than the Jews to which it was prescribed? In keeping the old covenant Sabbath is to deny Jesus Christ purpose of his death and resurrection to deliver humanity from the death of the covenant that man proved could not keep. Jesus delivered us into a new and everlasting covenant,where we offer up the perpetual sacrafice of the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, along with the cereal and libation offering in the species of bread and wine what The Catholic Church calls the body and blood of the lamb of God Jesus Christ himself in the sacred Eucharist.
P.S **Catholics do worship on the Sabbath **(Saturdays) along with every day of the week. For from the rising of the sun, even to its setting, my name is great among the nations, and everywhere they bring sacrifice to my name, and a pure offering, for great is my name among the nations, says the Lord of hosts(Malachi 1:11) The Catholic Church is one Church World wide and there is a sacrafice and pure offering being offered to God daily until Jesus returns finding his Church doing so. I will be willing to clear up the misinformation you’ve been given about the history of the church, and you can clear up how SDA’s honor the Sabbath.
Peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
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servus
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I don’t think your giving Adventism a fair shake. Most Adventists I know dislike that we are known for calling the pope anti-Christ. Personally I have been quite fond of the popes since John XXIII. I think they, unlike most other Church leaders, have stood against modernistic materialism very well despite the pressure they get from theologians around the world. That said, most Adventists believe that the Medieval Church as a whole was anti-Christ, this includes the Protestant denominations because there were no Protestants prior to the Reformation. We were all in the business of misrepresenting God together. Then when the Reformation did come along, the Protestants were not much better than the Catholics. As my professors say, “we had Catholics killing protestants, protestants killing catholics, and everybody killing the jews”.
When Adventists refer to the medieval Church as anti-Christ we are including ourselves. The mistakes of the Church in the past were made by “we, not they”, and it is the Universal Church’s responsibility to correct those mistakes. Sure there are fundamentalist Adventists which like to pretend that its all the Catholic Churches fault, but they are no more common than Catholics which would like to see the Inquisition reinstated.
Adventists do indeed deny the traditional conception of hell, but it is more important to ask why than simply consider this a problem in itself. Since I became an Adventist (converting from Baptist) I have lost my traditional belief in hell, but now I fear going there all there all the more because of the relationship that is absent there --that with the God whose charachter is not maligned by the doctrine of eternal torment. Thomas Aquinas represents the pinnacle of Catholic Theology. He said in his summa that sin, being wrought against an eternally perfect God, requires a punishment equal to the holiness of God, thus the eternal punishment of the sinner is demanded. He also says that Christ’s death appeased God for this demand on the sinner. This is representative of the doctrine of eternal hell in many Churches. It would work just fine had God said, “you shall not eat it, netiher shall ye touch it, or else I will have to kill and then punish you”. But that is not what God said. God said “in the day you eat thereof (sin) ye shall surely die” -it is something that happens, not something God does to the sinner. We have brought death upon ourselves by sinning against God, and ignoring His will. God is not vindictive, but let’s sinners perish.
If ever Arianism was held in the Adventist Church it was by two or three members in the 19th century, who gave it up quickly. No Adventist denies the “Trinity”. Throughout my University experience i have heard of more Catholic priests who are athiests than Advetnists who are “Arians”.
The Adventist Church does have a bizarre view of the second coming, because faith in the soon return of Christ to this earth is indeed considered “bizarre” by todays standards. Yet it will happen, that’s what we believe.
The Adventist view on marriage is that it is divinely ordained, between a man and a woman, and if you want to look at what we teach go to www.Adventist.org/beliefs
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Maria1212
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The Adventist Church permits abortion. That is one huge difference between Adventists and Catholics. I know the OPs sister is not Catholic, but of she is pro-Life, she should reconsider whether she wants to date someone who supports the murder of innocent unborn children.
Sincerely,
Maria1212
Sincerely,
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Daniel_Marsh
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during that time, sda were arains. Their theology of the godhead came from the christian connection movement. James White, Ellen White’s husband and Uraiah Smith a major publisher of SDA literature were both ministers of the CCM.
today, the mainline sda are trinitiaran, but semi-arain sda still exist.
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Daniel_Marsh
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Nice attempt at deflecting criticism of SDAism. But, they are taught to tell “white lies”, put on their best face to those they think they have a chance of converting, “handling” critics, I forget the terms they call such. But, it is part of their apologetic training.
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andrec
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The Adventist Church permits abortion. That is one huge difference between Adventists and Catholics. I know the OPs sister is not Catholic, but of she is pro-Life, she should reconsider whether she wants to date someone who supports the murder of innocent unborn children.
That is very untrue. Adventist leave it up to the individual to decide between they and God.
Abuse is common throughout every segment of society and the Seventh-day Adventist Church is not excluded.
There are many documented cases of abuse within the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
30% of women in a Seventh-day Adventist Church have been abused.
50% of girls at an area Seventh-day Adventist youth camp revealed they had been abused by a father or relative.
Percentage of those responding to the Southeastern California Conference of SDA survey* who have experienced family crises:
24% have been divorced or permanently separated.
30% were physically abused at home before age 18.
43% were verbally or emotionally abused at home before age 18.
16% experienced incest at home before age 18.
13% have abused drugs or alcohol.
37% have lived with a drug or alcohol abuser.
7% have attempted suicide.
27% have had suicidal inclinations.
Sources: Oregon Conference of SDA - Family Life Department Adventist Review - August 18, 1994.
Only by recognizing the problem can we hope to attack it!
BREAK THE SILENCE NOW!
Interesting how you never showed the stats for the catholic church also.
That is very untrue. Adventist leave it up to the individual to decide between they and God.
Abuse is common throughout every segment of society and the Seventh-day Adventist Church is not excluded.
There are many documented cases of abuse within the Seventh-day Adventist Church:
30% of women in a Seventh-day Adventist Church have been abused.
50% of girls at an area Seventh-day Adventist youth camp revealed they had been abused by a father or relative.
Percentage of those responding to the Southeastern California Conference of SDA survey* who have experienced family crises:
24% have been divorced or permanently separated.
30% were physically abused at home before age 18.
43% were verbally or emotionally abused at home before age 18.
16% experienced incest at home before age 18.
13% have abused drugs or alcohol.
37% have lived with a drug or alcohol abuser.
7% have attempted suicide.
27% have had suicidal inclinations.
Sources: Oregon Conference of SDA - Family Life Department Adventist Review - August 18, 1994.
Only by recognizing the problem can we hope to attack it!
BREAK THE SILENCE NOW!
Interesting how you never showed the stats for the catholic church also.
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Maria1212
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Your statement is untrue. I recommend you research what your own Church teaches on abortion. For example, please see the following thread
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=155025&highlight=Adventists+abortion
The Seventh-Day Adventist Church`s stance on abortion, and its silence in the pro-life movement is unexceptable for a Christian church.
Sincerely,
Maria1212
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andrec
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Also, the Adventist Church is NOT against Catholicism but the Adventist Church EXPOSES the wrong teachings of the Catholic Church.Some teachings may be,
Hailing Mary,
Worship on Sunday,
Not keeping the Sabbath holy.
Also, you can find ANY book on the dark age. The Catholic locked up the bibles.
I really got nothing more to say. If you watched the sermons on TV and read your Bible, I got nothing to say.
Hailing Mary,
Worship on Sunday,
Not keeping the Sabbath holy.
Also, you can find ANY book on the dark age. The Catholic locked up the bibles.
I really got nothing more to say. If you watched the sermons on TV and read your Bible, I got nothing to say.
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Delraek
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If it wasn’t for the Catholic Church, you wouldn’t have a Bible! The Catholic monks are responsible for painstakingly copying each Bible by hand until the printing press was invented in the 15th century. Needless to say, these hand-copied Bibles were not cheap nor easy to come by, so did the Chuch chain them inside the churches to allow them to be read but not stolen? Yes - you woudn’t do the same??
How do you think the Bible remained intact for 1500 years? The substance that was used to write on prior to the invention of paper (parchment), does not have a long shelf-life…
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VWcrazy
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Andrec has zero credibility.
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hosemonkey
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Yes, it is perhaps better if you say less, and learn more.
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Maria1212
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I am glad you have nothing else to say because you will avoid embarrassing yourself by exposing your ignorance. Perhaps you should read your Bible a little closer. The words to the Hail Mary come from Scripture. You can find the words to the prayer, as well as the Scripture references by doing a simple search here at CAF. The Catholic Church chained Bibles so they could no be stolen. Chaining them meant they could be left in public places for all to read. Please review history for yourself, rather than myths your church spoon-fed you.
As for worshipping the Lord on Sunday, we are guilty as charged! But the last time I checked, worshiping the Lord was neither a crime, nor a sin! We Catholics worship the Lord every day!! We can attend Mass seven days a week, thanks be to God! Since we are no longer bound by the Old Covenant, we do not observe the Jewish Sabbath. However, we do honor the Lord on Sunday, since that was what the early Christians did. We celebrate His ressurection not just on Easter, but every day, particularly on Sundays.
I hope you will review some of the sources I cited. I also hope you will refrain from trying to teach others about your church until you have your facts straight. You only discredit yourself, and in the process, do a disservice to your church.
I know I sound harsh but I am sick and tired of Adventist slander. I wonder why the Adventist Church can`t get their facts straight. After all, since Jesus founded the Catholic Church, we have been around for two thousand years!!
I will be praying for you.
Sincerely,
Maria1212
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