To Catholics: What do you like about Protestantism?

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bengeorge:
Ok, so there’s lot’s to criticise about Protestants, but let’s have a positive thread, what do you like about Protestantism (or any other non-Catholic religion, for that matter?)

I like the fervor of Evangelicals, and their willingness to try new methods of spreading the Gospel.

I like the friendliness of Mormons, their focus on family life, and their coordinated missionary efforts.
I have always been impressed by the Baptists’ knowledge of the Bible.

My mother used to go to services at a Church of Christ, I think–the denomination that doesn’t use instrumental music in church–and she has told me of the beautiful four-part harmony that the congregation would use to sing their hymns a capella.
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justathought:
Mercygate,

Thank you for your response. Now, I truly mean no offense in this response, but I do have a question on the Scriptural foundation of the Catholic church. Where are the ideas of the pope, monks, nuns, bishops, cardinals, and even priests from? According to Paul’s letters, there should be deacons and preachers in the New Testament Church, but there is no mention of the others. Again, I mean no offense, I am only seeking Truth.

Peace be upon all who read this
Hello Justathought,

Have you ever read Exodus just for starters. The Catholic church wich is the first (and really the only True Christain church ) Is just a renewal of the old testement.

Keep seeking the Truth and then when you find it we will all welcome you home, with a feast fit for a king.
 
I like how they tend to be more open than Catholics to discussing their faith; we Catholics are more quiet about what we believe. Maybe that comes from being in the minority; we’re trying not to make waves?
 
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MonicaC:
Hello Justathought,

Have you ever read Exodus just for starters. The Catholic church wich is the first (and really the only True Christain church ) Is just a renewal of the old testement.

Keep seeking the Truth and then when you find it we will all welcome you home, with a feast fit for a king.
Monica,

I actually have read Exodus multiple times, however Jesus’ death on the cross established the New covanent. That is why the curtain seperating the temple from the Holy of Holies was torn in half, because God was for everyone, not just the “holy” people.

I would be precautious of saying the Catholic church is the ONLY true Christian church. No where in the Catholic church do I see deacons or pastors, but they were clearly part of the first Church (see Paul’s letters). If you actually look in Hebrews 4:14 - 5:10, Jesus is actually the ONLY high priest we need. After mentioning Old Testament high priests, it says who better than Jesus to “offer up prayers and petitions” vs. 7.

Hebrews 6:19-20 says clearly that “Jesus, who went before us, has entered (the Most Holy Place) on our behalf. He has become the high priest forever.”

That last word, forever, means there is no need for another high priest, or any for that matter. Jesus is to be our Priest.

Heres the kicker: “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.” Hebrews 9:13 (emphasis added)

According to Hebrews (read through the book sometime, it is very good), the old way of running the Church is obsolete because Jesus is the only priest we need. So I will ask again…

Where are the ideas of the pope, monks, nuns, bishops, cardinals, and even priests from?

Seek Truth, ANYWHERE It may be.

Peace be upon all who read this
 
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justathought:
Where are the ideas of the pope, monks, nuns, bishops, cardinals, and even priests from?
Justathought,

First, this is not the right forum or thread to address this question. There are other threads that already discuss this subject quite well. Let’s not get off track here. This forum is dedicated to the many things there are for Catholics to like and admire about Protestants.

That said, allow me to briefly direct you to your bible to answer your questions. With a good concordance you will find your answers in the following texts:

Pope: Matt 16:17-20 where Christ gives Peter, the Rock, the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (ask God to show you if these “keys” were intended to be handed down to Peter’s successors in the Church). Acts 15: The Council of Jeruselem where Peter, the first apostolic leader of the Church, arbitrates its first doctrinal crisis and infallibly chooses the correct course of action.

monks/nuns: The book of Acts also discusses Christian communities who lived together and shared everything, dedicating their lives to charity in the service of the Lord. These communities were the beginnings of the monastic calling (celibacy, poverty and communal living in the likeness of Christ) which incidentally is not unique to Catholicism. European Anglicans, Lutherans and other reformation churches also include monks and nuns. Additionally, several puritan churches were made up exclussively of monastics, such as the Shakers, while others like the Quakers and Amish included monastic communities that share the same calling to communal living as Catholic monastics. You may also want to review those verses in your bible that call you to become more like Christ.

bishops/cardinals: your bible makes many references to “presiding elders” which was translated in English from the Greek word episcopoi. This word actually is Greek for “shepherd” which is another word for bishop. Use your concordance to look up presiding elder. (Cardinal is just a formal name for a bishop who is eligible to become a successor to the pope).

priests: Again the singuler word “elder” in your bible (as opposed to “presiding elder”) was translated into English from the Greek word presbyter which is really Greek for priest. Additionally, Paul refered to himself as possessing the “priestly” role of preaching and exhorting. Rom 15:15-16: “But I have written very boldly to you on some points so as to remind you again, because of the grace that was given me from God, to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, ministering as a priest the gospel of God, so that my offering of the Gentiles may become acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.” Catholic ordained ministers are rightly called priests in accordance with scripture.

Even though you may have never noticed, the Catholic Church does in fact have deacons. Most parish deacons assist with the day to day functions of the church as well as teaching, marrying couples, and in some cases preaching.

I hope this gets you started on your way to seeking the truth in all things. Please do not reply to this thread. Instead, scope out some of the other threads dedicated to the topic of your question and continue your dialogue there. Let’s continue this thread with what Catholics like about Protestants. Take care.

In Christ,
Mike
 
What do I like about protestantism? Nothing.

Anything perceived advantage or good practices they observe (such as closer fellowship, more comfortable w/the Bible etc.) would be better used serving the One True Church. There is absolutely nothing about protestantism that is supperior to Catholicism-all Truth that they may have we do to but we also have the fullness of Truth.

The Catholic Church (when viewed truthfully and not through bias and personal biblical interpretation) is the only true Church.
No where in the Catholic church do I see deacons or pastors, but they were clearly part of the first Church (see Paul’s letters).
Well, I would have to disagree with you. Deacons most certainly exist, they help out in the Church with various functions. Before a man becomes a priest he is a deacon.

Where are your bishops and their succession? The first Christians appealed to Tradition and Apostolic Successsion for proof against heresy.
Hebrews 6:19-20 says clearly that “Jesus, who went before us, has entered (the Most Holy Place) on our behalf. He has become the high priest forever.”
Hebrews clearly states something that Catholics agree with-Jesus is our High Priest, he is the Head of the Church, we are the members. That Jesus is our High Priest does not prove there is not a sacramental priesthood that Jesus (as High Priest) established first with the Apostles and continued down to this day.
According to Hebrews (read through the book sometime, it is very good), the old way of running the Church is obsolete because Jesus is the only priest we need. So I will ask again…
You are reading way too much into it. Yes, the Old Covenant has moved on to the New Covenant, but Jesus came to fulfill the Law not abolish it. He did so by setting up His Church.
 
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justathought:
Monica,

I actually have read Exodus multiple times, however Jesus’ death on the cross established the New covanent. That is why the curtain seperating the temple from the Holy of Holies was torn in half, because God was for everyone, not just the “holy” people.

I would be precautious of saying the Catholic church is the ONLY true Christian church. No where in the Catholic church do I see deacons or pastors, but they were clearly part of the first Church (see Paul’s letters). If you actually look in Hebrews 4:14 - 5:10, Jesus is actually the ONLY high priest we need. After mentioning Old Testament high priests, it says who better than Jesus to “offer up prayers and petitions” vs. 7.
At our church we actually have two deacons. And a priest is a pastor. And why wounldn’t you call the CC as the onle and only Christain church. It is the ONE church that Our Lord created. I have a really hard time questioning him.
Hebrews 6:19-20 says clearly that “Jesus, who went before us, has entered (the Most Holy Place) on our behalf. He has become the high priest forever.”

That last word, forever, means there is no need for another high priest, or any for that matter. Jesus is to be our Priest
This is what the CC believes as well, infact how do you think that the other christain churchs came up with this idea.
Heres the kicker: “By calling this covenant ‘new,’ he has made the first one OBSOLETE; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.” Hebrews 9:13 (emphasis added)

According to Hebrews (read through the book sometime, it is very good), the old way of running the Church is obsolete because Jesus is the only priest we need. So I will ask again…
Yes Jesus came to perfect the law not to abolish the law. That is what Hebrews says. It is really nice when you don’t try to fit to what you want the bible to say.
Where are the ideas of the pope, monks, nuns, bishops, cardinals, and even priests from?
Hopefully you have read the other posts on this it is explained really well in trustmc’s post.

Keep seeking the Truth and when you find it come back home and we will be waiting for you with a feast fit for a king.

Monica
 
Mike,

I was looking for New Testanment reasons for the Church structure and you gave them to me. That is exactly what I was looking for, so thank you.
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ComradeAndrei:
What do I like about protestantism? Nothing.

Anything perceived advantage or good practices they observe (such as closer fellowship, more comfortable w/the Bible etc.) would be better used serving the One True Church. There is absolutely nothing about protestantism that is supperior to Catholicism-all Truth that they may have we do to but we also have the fullness of Truth.

The Catholic Church (when viewed truthfully and not through bias and personal biblical interpretation) is the only true Church.
You are a funny guy. And I admire you’re loving spirit too. You are saying that there is NOTHING superior… so I take it Catholicism is perfect? Look at history and you will know that is false. NO man-made institution (including Protestant churches) is perfect. And Peter, as righteous as he was, was still man.
Well, I would have to disagree with you. Deacons most certainly exist, they help out in the Church with various functions. Before a man becomes a priest he is a deacon.
I actually had no idea there were deacons in the Church, that is why I mentioned it, but thanks for explaining that to me.
You are reading way too much into it. Yes, the Old Covenant has moved on to the New Covenant, but Jesus came to fulfill the Law not abolish it. He did so by setting up His Church.
While I agree that Jesus came to fulfill the Law, why does Hebrews say the first covenant is obsolete? I do not believe that I am “reading way too much into it”; I am reading word for word what Hebrews 8:13 says.

Jesus came, like you said, to FULFILL the Old Covenant, making it as the verse says, obsolete. He did not abolish it, only made it unnecessary to continue following the old practices, that is why we do not follow Jewish custom. The purpose of my previous post was to find New Covenant reason for the organization of the Catholic church, which Mike has expertly done.

In closing, to anyone who will claim that the Catholic church is the ONLY True Church, therefore the only way to obtain Salvation, (if there is One True Church, no one can come to Salvation but through that Truth) you are very mistaken. The Catholic church of today has strayed far from the original Church. If you think I am wrong, do not argue with me, but try studying a little history. Protestant churches are NO BETTER, but to say Catholicism is the ONLY way is a spurious error.

Thank you again for all the assistance you have all provided in my personal quest for Truth.

Peace be upon all who read this
 
Justathought,

First, let me keep us on track by saying what I like about Protestants: they ask very good questions, and you’re no exception.
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justathought:
…to anyone who will claim that the Catholic church is the ONLY True Church, therefore the only way to obtain Salvation,… you are very mistaken.
“True Church” does not mean that only Catholics will be saved. Anyone who says otherwise – Catholics included – need to read up on Vatican Council II that solemnly proclaimed Protestant Churches to be instruments of God’s salvation.

Yes, salvation comes through the Catholic Church only which has as its earthly shepherd the pope as instituted by Christ through Peter. However, Protestants, according to Catholic teaching, are “imperfectly joined to the Catholic Church” by the sacrament of baptism. In other words, baptised in both water and Spirit, Protestants are like “associate members” of the Catholic Church.

In addition to baptism, most Protestants have adopted other essential Catholic doctrines, such as salvation by grace alone, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Resurrection, scripture inerrancy, and many more. It is belief in these essential Catholic doctrines that have allowed other Christians to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. In essence, Christians who are being saved through this knowledge are ultimately being saved through the Catholic Church. This is what was meant by the Council of Trent when it proclaimed that “there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.”

Further, when we say that the Catholic Church is the one true Church, we mean that the Church that follows after St. Peter is perfectly in line with what Christ had intended for His Church to be in its visible structure, global reach and teaching.

Has the Catholic Church behaved perfectly? Well, no, but Christ never promised that the Church would be impeccable. He did, however, promise Peter that His Church would teach His word perfectly: “Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and what you lose on earth will be loosed in heaven,” (Matt 16:19).
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justathought:
The Catholic church of today has strayed far from the original Church.
How do you know that it isn’t Protestants who have strayed instead? Protestants formed their own churches on shaky ground about 1500 years after Pentacost, and from our perspective the more than 30,000 different protestant denominations cannot even agree on the most basic doctrines.

By contrast, the Catholic Church has been around since Peter was appointed by Christ to “feed His sheep” (John 21:15-19), and our teaching on salvation has not changed for nearly 2000 years. Not a single Catholic critic can point to any proclamation made by early church councils to show that they contradict either scripture or current Catholic teaching. There has been nothing but a continual development of doctrine inspired by the Holy Spirit as promised by Christ when he said that the Spirit would instruct us “in everything” and remind us of all that He taught (John 15:26).

I suspect that your perception of us stems from the persistent myth that Catholics believe in salvation by works, which couldn’t be further from the truth. We believe that we are saved by grace only. Saving grace is manifested as faith and works which are the inward and outward marks of our salvation, but they are never the grounds for our salvation. Hand in hand, faith and works justify us before God but they don’t save us. Further, faith and works are never mutually exclusive, for without works, faith is dead (James 2:17); and without faith, works are like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6) and an exercise in vanity (Ec 1:14).

We believe this because both Paul and James taught this: “You see that man is justified by works and not by faith alone,” (James 2:24). And if you reread Ephesians 2:8-10 you’ll see that even Paul emphasizes that, though we are saved by grace through faith and never by works, genuine faith in Christ is never detached from works: (v10) “for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.”

You may say that in Romans and Galatians Paul discounts works as irrelevant to justification entirely. But a closer reading shows that what Paul actually discounts are “works of the law.” He never discounts “good works” per se, nor does he or anyone else in scripture ever say that we are justified by “faith alone.” For him, dietary laws and temple rituals are not good works. Instead, good works are works of charity “which God prepared beforehand” and therefore demonstrate our justification along with faith. This is why James can rightly say and agree with Paul that we are justified by both faith and works, but not saved by them.

Getting this thread back on track, allow me to finish by saying that what I also like about Protestants, particularly evangelicals, is their zeal for seeking the truth.

Your brother in Christ,
Mike
 
You are saying that there is NOTHING superior… so I take it Catholicism is perfect?
How does one conclude, praytell, that the Catholic Church is perfect because I say there is nothing superior in protestantism?

However, the Church is perfect in the sense that it contains the fullness of Truth. While there are sinners in the Church (and we all fit that bill), Christ said that there will always be chaff amongst the wheat and that will be until the end of time.
NO man-made institution (including Protestant churches) is perfect. And Peter, as righteous as he was, was still man.
The problem is, the Church is not some mere man-made organization thrown together just because. Christ set up the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church and sent the Spirit to guide it into all Truth.

St. Peter was a man, yes indeed, but that doesn’t prove a whole lot of anything. I don’t remember calling St. Peter a god or anything.

Trustmc does a pretty good job of explaining the rest. The problem many folks have is in seeing the Catholic Church as just another denomination among all the rest of the sects. That just isn’t the way it is.

Any truths found outside the Catholic Church are not unique to that sect outside the Church. Any truths found in protestantism are there solely because of their common heritage with Catholicism-thus the reason we consider them “separated bretheren”.
 
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