To end or not to end a relationship

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We have been together for about a year and a half so I don’t believe we are at the courting stage anymore. I have had these feelings for many weeks now–several weeks–however, I have been trying to assess my emotions and have conversations about it with him and just feel it out. But I do think you are right. Maybe we do need a break. He is honestly such a great man and he does deserve someone who will love him with all her heart, even if its not me. I will never be as affecionate as he wants. He and I have talked about it, and I have definitely tried but I am not a clingy person: I think he wants that. But perhaps you are right with that last statement. Maybe it is time to let go…
This is a bad imbalance. And it’s probably not going to get any better. It can seem as though the two of you are speaking different languages. He wants to communicate with you through a close, affectionate and intimate relationship where you spend most of your time with him. You don’t. You have other pursuits and do not want someone “clinging.” Well, as he senses a detachment from you, his need only grows and gets stronger. Especially if he has lost a loved one to death…And is looking at his life and seeing a finite period, unlike young people who cannot visualize a time when they won’t be alive. He probably wants closeness from here on out.

I feel so sorry for him. You will move on and probably only think of him occasionally. He will probably mourn for you for quite a long while.
 
This is a bad imbalance. And it’s probably not going to get any better. It can seem as though the two of you are speaking different languages. He wants to communicate with you through a close, affectionate and intimate relationship where you spend most of your time with him. You don’t. You have other pursuits and do not want someone “clinging.” Well, as he senses a detachment from you, his need only grows and gets stronger. Especially if he has lost a loved one to death…And is looking at his life and seeing a finite period, unlike young people who cannot visualize a time when they won’t be alive. He probably wants closeness from here on out.

I feel so sorry for him. You will move on and probably only think of him occasionally. He will probably mourn for you for quite a long while.
TheRealJuliane, your last sentence almost made me cry. I honestly do not want to for him. I wish him only happiness because he is a wonderful man, which is why I am so perplexed and do not know what to do.

You are completely spot on in your entire post here, I believe. I can’t even picture myself being 30–thats too odd. I feel like there are still many things I want to accomplish in my career and continue traveling the world, but another part of me if happy that I have found someone whom I share a great connection with and sees beyond my physical shell. So confusing…😦
 
Do I love him? Yes I honestly believe I do.

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I cannot picture living myself forever with that annoyance, but then again, maybe I am not trying hard enough? I do not know…

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But perhaps you are right with that last statement. Maybe it is time to let go…
Love is not enough for a lifetime commitment. You have to ask yourself do you love enough to accept this person faults and all? Many young people marry thinking that the other person will change and lose their faults once they marry. But the truth is, the person you walk down the aisle with is the person you will spend a long, long time with. So it is alright to be choosey.

You need to decide what kind of life you want when you are considering marriage. You’ve dated this man for a year and a half. By now you should have a good idea of what he is like, how he handles life, relationships, and religion.

Sit quietly, and ask yourself is this the life you want?
 
I had a longer post typed but I decided to be more concise. Please forgive if I’m rather direct but I figured excessive sugar-coating could kill the message. I’ve been where he is, I probably have been where you are.

Basically, he’s insecure as has been noted. RealJuliane is right about women being somewhat inconsistent in wanting that when it isn’t there but hating it when it happens. While you’d be correct in taking an obviously infatuated man with a pinch of salt, don’t fall for the trap of settling for a man who simple regards you less just because you’re impressed with his refreshing supposed independence and lack of neediness.

As for what he’s insecure about, I believe losing someone important recently may be the answer. Also, perhaps he has more time than you, so time doesn’t fly so fast for him. The person with more free time will generally obsess more about needing to stay in touch. As for asking questions about all those things, I would count as that as signs of insecurity.

Please realise that relationship dynamics shift around. Who is needy today may be independent tomorrow and who is independent today may be the needy one tomorrow. I’ve been there, done that. In my last relationship, that is actually what happened. I felt parties, friends etc. were more important than I, I had to fight for the time together, in her words I was hoarding it. On the other hand, when I finally got back in touch with my hobbies, friends, found new things to do, she didn’t like the change. She felt demoted. I didn’t really feel like I had a girlfriend either, there was too much distance. Two inexperienced people can wreck a relationship with this kind of thing. Just imagine what if he suddenly got a boost from all the women falling for him, signed up with a club or two, took on a new hobby, became more secure and less available. Wouldn’t you feel at least somewhat deserted?

As for insecurities, do notice yours as well. Perhaps you aren’t as secure about some of the things you like seeing yourself as being secure about (just look honestly at yourself and ask some questions). This could be a factor actually.
He is worried when I travel and has concerns when I am on a plane around so many eyes so I should dress “low-key”. Things like that: I just do not understand his insecurity.
Perhaps you have a different understanding of what is appropriate clothing. This is very hard for a man to bring up with a woman he cares for because this is a minefield subject (especially with young women who may be feeling a need to be perceived as attractive) and the risk of causing resentment or even the end of the relationship is high.
 
I had a longer post typed but I decided to be more concise. Please forgive if I’m rather direct but I figured excessive sugar-coating could kill the message. I’ve been where he is, I probably have been where you are.

Basically, he’s insecure as has been noted. RealJuliane is right about women being somewhat inconsistent in wanting that when it isn’t there but hating it when it happens. While you’d be correct in taking an obviously infatuated man with a pinch of salt, don’t fall for the trap of settling for a man who simple regards you less just because you’re impressed with his refreshing supposed independence and lack of neediness.

As for what he’s insecure about, I believe losing someone important recently may be the answer. Also, perhaps he has more time than you, so time doesn’t fly so fast for him. The person with more free time will generally obsess more about needing to stay in touch. As for asking questions about all those things, I would count as that as signs of insecurity.

Please realise that relationship dynamics shift around. Who is needy today may be independent tomorrow and who is independent today may be the needy one tomorrow. I’ve been there, done that. In my last relationship, that is actually what happened. I felt parties, friends etc. were more important than I, I had to fight for the time together, in her words I was hoarding it. On the other hand, when I finally got back in touch with my hobbies, friends, found new things to do, she didn’t like the change. She felt demoted. I didn’t really feel like I had a girlfriend either, there was too much distance. Two inexperienced people can wreck a relationship with this kind of thing. Just imagine what if he suddenly got a boost from all the women falling for him, signed up with a club or two, took on a new hobby, became more secure and less available. Wouldn’t you feel at least somewhat deserted?

As for insecurities, do notice yours as well. Perhaps you aren’t as secure about some of the things you like seeing yourself as being secure about (just look honestly at yourself and ask some questions). This could be a factor actually.

Perhaps you have a different understanding of what is appropriate clothing. This is very hard for a man to bring up with a woman he cares for because this is a minefield subject (especially with young women who may be feeling a need to be perceived as attractive) and the risk of causing resentment or even the end of the relationship is high.
A really good posts Clevalier! 👍
 
Hello again, my wonderful CAF family.
I have a slight dilemma that has prevented me from sleeping for several weeks now. I do not know if this feeling I am experiencing is normal or if I should just follow my gut. As many of you know from my previous posts, I am currently with a man twice my age (but that isn’t the problem). We have been together for over a year and I care about him and respect him immensely as a person and a man for respecting me and being such a gentleman–when he has admitted that it is very hard but that I am worth it. He is perfect one paper: extremely wealthy, successful, established, respectful, caring, generous, loving, Catholic, etc. The problem is, lately I just cannot stand being around him. I am extremely independent and value my alone time and he wants to spend every second together. I am sorry, but I am a busy girl and travel a lot–sometimes I just want my own space, that doesn’t mean I love him any less. Example, I will go to the spa and he will call in exactly 2 hours and inquire 'where am I? He misses me already. Call me when you can, I’m getting worries, etc". This desperate neediness is extremely unattractive to me and it literally just makes me pull away from him–which I guess works against me because he wants to attach onto me more. He wants to speak on the phone everyday sometimes twice (when we are away traveling or he on business) and worries when we don’t talk for one day. Good Lord man, I am not going anywhere. He needs to calm down.

Maybe I am just being too finicky or over critical of him but I cannot stand when another person wants to be around eachother 24/7. I am very young but I have lived everywhere and accomplished all of my success on my own–I like having my space but it seems like he gets hurt emotionally when I want to say, talk a walk by myself, go shopping alone, have lunch with my friend without him, go to an event or premiere. I don’t see why. I would never give him a hard time, on the contrary, I love the fact that we have our own seperate lives and then can come together and discuss our day…

My question is, how do you know if you are making the right decision to move forward with someone? My biggest fear is making a mistake in regards to a potential spouse. I know we all have things that annoy us about the person we are with, but I keep having feelings that this relationship may not be the one…but how am I to know for sure and that its just not me getting a little bit skiddish?..

Your advice is always appreciated. I cherish it so much. Thank you in advance, my friends.
Rwm, you remind me of me, a few years back- except that I could only sacrifice looks for intellect, which thankfully I didn’t have to 😉

Truth is, that I know how it feels to feel like everyone is pursuing you and hoping that you can find a man who can appreciate your qualities without getting all emotionally entangled. I also know what a turn off it is when they don’t i.e. When they tell you after 2 weeks that they could never live without you… In a relationship, that’s a stage you can perhaps enjoy for the first few months, but once things simmer down you will always find yourself yearning for someone who loves you, not who is ATTACHED to you.

If you and this gentleman cannot find that balance, this relationship may habe reached the end of the rope.

Having said all that, there is one thing I can’t really speculate on but perhaps you can try to envision it. Marriage and especially MOTHERHOOD can change a woman a lot!
While I loved traveling, making friends in high places, following my ambitions and, at the end if the day, turning the key to my own apartment, I realized the day thay I gave birth that my independence was going to be a huge obstacle to my motherhood and viceversa.

I woke up realizing the infinite responsability and privilege entrusted to me: the body and soul of a helpless human being. I had to cease to exist for some time… 3 kids later, it has gotten essier but that independent streak in me still screams out every now and then. I have learned to love this vocation beyond measure and though it has been hard I am grateful for having stayed home for 5 years knowing that I am giving the children what they deserve.

There is no greater joy than being with my family and even when my husband and I have speaking engagements, conferemces or meetings, within hours I miss our “us life”.

It was excruciatingly difficult to be “bent” so hard at such a young age but there is no other way of being a mother to young children. They will be dependent on you amd you will learn to give and give. Having said all that, I still don’t like a needy husband 🙂 but the kids helped me be more pstient and understanding, so when he has a rough day I take much better to it than 5 years ago 🙂

Perhaps the timing is wrong or perhaps he is not the one, I don’t think anyone can truly make that decision for you, but I did want to give you a few things, from a perhaps, not too distant future, to think about…

Oh, and I also could NEVER picture myself being 30, but now, I’m almost there and wow, what a journey it has been!
 
I had a longer post typed but I decided to be more concise. Please forgive if I’m rather direct but I figured excessive sugar-coating could kill the message. I’ve been where he is, I probably have been where you are.

Basically, he’s insecure as has been noted. RealJuliane is right about women being somewhat inconsistent in wanting that when it isn’t there but hating it when it happens. While you’d be correct in taking an obviously infatuated man with a pinch of salt, don’t fall for the trap of settling for a man who simple regards you less just because you’re impressed with his refreshing supposed independence and lack of neediness.

As for what he’s insecure about, I believe losing someone important recently may be the answer. Also, perhaps he has more time than you, so time doesn’t fly so fast for him. The person with more free time will generally obsess more about needing to stay in touch. As for asking questions about all those things, I would count as that as signs of insecurity.

Please realise that relationship dynamics shift around. Who is needy today may be independent tomorrow and who is independent today may be the needy one tomorrow. I’ve been there, done that. In my last relationship, that is actually what happened. I felt parties, friends etc. were more important than I, I had to fight for the time together, in her words I was hoarding it. On the other hand, when I finally got back in touch with my hobbies, friends, found new things to do, she didn’t like the change. She felt demoted. I didn’t really feel like I had a girlfriend either, there was too much distance. Two inexperienced people can wreck a relationship with this kind of thing. Just imagine what if he suddenly got a boost from all the women falling for him, signed up with a club or two, took on a new hobby, became more secure and less available. Wouldn’t you feel at least somewhat deserted?

As for insecurities, do notice yours as well. Perhaps you aren’t as secure about some of the things you like seeing yourself as being secure about (just look honestly at yourself and ask some questions). This could be a factor actually.

Perhaps you have a different understanding of what is appropriate clothing. This is very hard for a man to bring up with a woman he cares for because this is a minefield subject (especially with young women who may be feeling a need to be perceived as attractive) and the risk of causing resentment or even the end of the relationship is high.
Leave it to a criminal lawyer to disect relstionships! 🙂

I agree with Chevalier, the other way around is terrible too. And you, being home with a child, nursing and changing diapers all day, while he still enjoys most of his freedom, can turn the tables around… And, considering his age, this scenario would probably not be a decade away.
 
I had a longer post typed but I decided to be more concise. Please forgive if I’m rather direct but I figured excessive sugar-coating could kill the message. I’ve been where he is, I probably have been where you are.

Basically, he’s insecure as has been noted. RealJuliane is right about women being somewhat inconsistent in wanting that when it isn’t there but hating it when it happens. While you’d be correct in taking an obviously infatuated man with a pinch of salt, don’t fall for the trap of settling for a man who simple regards you less just because you’re impressed with his refreshing supposed independence and lack of neediness.

As for what he’s insecure about, I believe losing someone important recently may be the answer. Also, perhaps he has more time than you, so time doesn’t fly so fast for him. The person with more free time will generally obsess more about needing to stay in touch. As for asking questions about all those things, I would count as that as signs of insecurity.

Please realise that relationship dynamics shift around. Who is needy today may be independent tomorrow and who is independent today may be the needy one tomorrow. I’ve been there, done that. In my last relationship, that is actually what happened. I felt parties, friends etc. were more important than I, I had to fight for the time together, in her words I was hoarding it. On the other hand, when I finally got back in touch with my hobbies, friends, found new things to do, she didn’t like the change. She felt demoted. I didn’t really feel like I had a girlfriend either, there was too much distance. Two inexperienced people can wreck a relationship with this kind of thing. Just imagine what if he suddenly got a boost from all the women falling for him, signed up with a club or two, took on a new hobby, became more secure and less available. Wouldn’t you feel at least somewhat deserted?

As for insecurities, do notice yours as well. Perhaps you aren’t as secure about some of the things you like seeing yourself as being secure about (just look honestly at yourself and ask some questions). This could be a factor actually.

Perhaps you have a different understanding of what is appropriate clothing. This is very hard for a man to bring up with a woman he cares for because this is a minefield subject (especially with young women who may be feeling a need to be perceived as attractive) and the risk of causing resentment or even the end of the relationship is high.
Hmmm, your post was very interesting and insightful. Its refreshing to see it from the other side. I feel bad because I want to want to just be more sympathetic or become more affectionate so this wouldn’t be so much of a problem…So frustrating. Hopefully I will gain some more wisdom with age.

As for the part of your statement that I have bolded, I am honestly trying to think of something…and the one thing I come up with is that I don’t want to lose myself to a relationship. I still have so much to do and see and experience that it scares me to have someone leech on and prevent me from doing that. Maybe thats an indication that I am not ready. Or perhaps I am just being immature.

How I dress on a plane? The same as I would dress for Church: glamorous but conservative. By ‘low-key’ he wants me to wear pants with tennis shoes and a swearshirt. I am sorry, but I would rather not fly at all. I am in the fashion industry. I love fashion! I love my stilettos but I will pair those fabulous shoes with a black turtle neck and knee lenght skirt while traveling. Appropriate.
 
Have you taken the FOCCUS assessment as a couple?

Call your pastor and ask if you can take it, sit down with Father for an objective Catholic pastoral look at where you are.

Relationships are work.
 
TheRealJuliane, your last sentence almost made me cry. I honestly do not want to for him. I wish him only happiness because he is a wonderful man, which is why I am so perplexed and do not know what to do.

You are completely spot on in your entire post here, I believe. I can’t even picture myself being 30–thats too odd. I feel like there are still many things I want to accomplish in my career and continue traveling the world, but another part of me if happy that I have found someone whom I share a great connection with and sees beyond my physical shell. So confusing…😦
There is no place for pity in romance, and nothing worse. Do not base your relationship one single drop on whether you would feel sorry for him if you didn’t stay. That’s just…well, just don’t do that. Pity doesn’t sustain a relationship; if anything, it will rot it. Besides, its demeaning to him. There are other fish in the sea. If he is half the man you think he is, he’ll do OK for himself. Don’t flatter yourself; he’ll live without you, if it comes to that.

As for him being set in his ways because he’s older…forget his age. He’s an adult, do not try to change him. The only thing worse than a lover who feels sorry for you is a lover who takes you on as a fixer-upper. Rather, communicate how what you need differs from what he’s doing. If adjusting does not come naturally to him, then break up. Really, when you are not married yet, I would make it that simple. Rather, find someone whose ability to be flexible flexes in the same directions as yours does.

Don’t make love hard; it will be hard enough if it starts out easy!
 
Hmmm, your post was very interesting and insightful. Its refreshing to see it from the other side. I feel bad because I want to want to just be more sympathetic or become more affectionate so this wouldn’t be so much of a problem…So frustrating. Hopefully I will gain some more wisdom with age.
Thank you. Well, you can’t really be something else than you are, although you can get more out of yourself if you try harder. This is how we all become better people with God’s help even though we can’t be someone else than we are. We just change who are, for the better. Showing love would be one of such things. However, showing love is not necessarily the same as PDA gestures, for example. I would encourage you to look at him as someone who needs affection in his life, perhaps because he’s been deprived of it at some stages in his life? As you noted before, it may be that he has fallen harder for you than you for him. You may have been in a similar situation with a man before. It is not demeaning or oppressive to you if you show emotions or feelings that are there, it only is so if you’re forced or faking it, but not when you e.g. decide to give a hug to someone who needs it despite the fact you don’t want it. This said, diverging levels of need for affection can be a problem in a relationship. Gaps sometimes close, especially when people cooperate. Spouses tend to become similar to each other in a degree. On the other hand, certain tendencies sometimes escalate (especially when best behaviour ends, motivation runs out etc.). You will need to figure it out somehow.
As for the part of your statement that I have bolded, I am honestly trying to think of something…and the one thing I come up with is that I don’t want to lose myself to a relationship. I still have so much to do and see and experience that it scares me to have someone leech on and prevent me from doing that. Maybe thats an indication that I am not ready. Or perhaps I am just being immature.
You’re being slighly early-to-mid-twentyish but that’s normal with someone who’s in early-to-mid twenties. 😉 Can’t be a 40 year old at 20. I tried and it wasn’t pretty. Regarding the so much to see yet, you can see it all with him too. Provided that he’s the companion you want. On the other hand, if you’re not sure, it would be similar to the classic commitment issue: not sure if I want to commit to the particular person, we reserve independence. Same way, if I were suddenly to have a girlfriend, first time since 2007, and weren’t sure about her being the one, I would hasten to put her in my plans, all of them. Or introduce her to everybody and his mother. Perhaps discernment is fighting for its right against commitment, figuratively speaking?

By the way, don’t get the idea that you need to have a great, fulfilling life, then settle and have children. That’s not accurate. Got to see life in a more integral, wholistic way. People need to unfold their wings, if you’ll allow me translate an idiom from my first language, but that’s it.

This said, I see a problem in that “there is such a lot of world to see” but you don’t want to see it with him. Perhaps you aren’t the two drifters.
How I dress on a plane? The same as I would dress for Church: glamorous but conservative. By ‘low-key’ he wants me to wear pants with tennis shoes and a swearshirt. I am sorry, but I would rather not fly at all. I am in the fashion industry. I love fashion! I love my stilettos but I will pair those fabulous shoes with a black turtle neck and knee lenght skirt while traveling. Appropriate.
Yeah, I’d also say appropriate, and classy. I thought the use of “low key” may have been a way to avoid directly mentioning modesty but that apparently is not the case then. So perhaps he was afraid of someone assaulting you or you attracting the wrong sort of attention somehow. I’m trying hard to think of a valid reason here. Admittedly, I’m having trouble. Either he’s concerned about something happened to you or he’s insecure. Unless there’s something I’m not seeing here. Can’t really cross out this possibility if I’m not there.

Speaking of insecurity (again), did one of his parents drink? Did he grow up with abusive relatives? Is he the child of a broken family? His behaviour with you resembles walking on egg-shells (won’t tell you anything for fear of losing you; it’s only this year that I’ve made the resolution never to cave in to this fear again myself, it’s hard actually if you struggle with rejection/loss issues) but at the same time being protective to a fault, plus the constant need for reassurance that you’re basically still there (rejection/abandonment/disappearance/loss issues from childhood).
 
Thank you. Well, you can’t really be something else than you are, although you can get more out of yourself if you try harder. This is how we all become better people with God’s help even though we can’t be someone else than we are. We just change who are, for the better. Showing love would be one of such things. However, showing love is not necessarily the same as PDA gestures, for example. I would encourage you to look at him as someone who needs affection in his life, perhaps because he’s been deprived of it at some stages in his life? As you noted before, it may be that he has fallen harder for you than you for him. You may have been in a similar situation with a man before. It is not demeaning or oppressive to you if you show emotions or feelings that are there, it only is so if you’re forced or faking it, but not when you e.g. decide to give a hug to someone who needs it despite the fact you don’t want it. This said, diverging levels of need for affection can be a problem in a relationship. Gaps sometimes close, especially when people cooperate. Spouses tend to become similar to each other in a degree. On the other hand, certain tendencies sometimes escalate (especially when best behaviour ends, motivation runs out etc.). You will need to figure it out somehow.

You’re being slighly early-to-mid-twentyish but that’s normal with someone who’s in early-to-mid twenties. 😉 Can’t be a 40 year old at 20. I tried and it wasn’t pretty. Regarding the so much to see yet, you can see it all with him too. Provided that he’s the companion you want. On the other hand, if you’re not sure, it would be similar to the classic commitment issue: not sure if I want to commit to the particular person, we reserve independence. Same way, if I were suddenly to have a girlfriend, first time since 2007, and weren’t sure about her being the one, I would hasten to put her in my plans, all of them. Or introduce her to everybody and his mother. Perhaps discernment is fighting for its right against commitment, figuratively speaking?

Yeah, I’d also say appropriate, and classy. I thought the use of “low key” may have been a way to avoid directly mentioning modesty but that apparently is not the case then. So perhaps he was afraid of someone assaulting you or you attracting the wrong sort of attention somehow. I’m trying hard to think of a valid reason here. Admittedly, I’m having trouble. Either he’s concerned about something happened to you or he’s insecure. Unless there’s something I’m not seeing here. Can’t really cross out this possibility if I’m not there.

Speaking of insecurity (again), did one of his parents drink? Did he grow up with abusive relatives? Is he the child of a broken family? His behaviour with you resembles walking on egg-shells (won’t tell you anything for fear of losing you; it’s only this year that I’ve made the resolution never to cave in to this fear again myself, it’s hard actually if you struggle with rejection/loss issues) but at the same time being protective to a fault, plus the constant need for reassurance that you’re basically still there (rejection/abandonment/disappearance/loss issues from childhood).
Yes, I don’t know why showing affection to the person I am with is so hard for me. I am very loving with my family and I adore and kiss my little dogs every day, but I guess I don’t like the idea of giving myself that much to someone—the control thing again! I really should work on that. I will. I just don’t know if I want to do that with him anymore. This whole neediness he has with me recently has really gotten me thinking if this is the relationship I want and thus I have begun to analyze everything. I don’t know whether that is a good or bad thing.

I think I do have commitment issues, but not because I have been hurt before. I have actually never experienced heartbreak. I am a bit afraid or hesistant of commitment to a person because I know the true meaning behind it. Commitment is not something I take lightly. Marriage is forever so I just don’t want to make a mistake. Does that make sense?

Yes, thank you. I do dress quite glamorous but I always make sure it is classy or conservative. I love dressing up and going to Church. I like to associate fashion with Church and make it beautiful. I am a proud Catholic and will dress fashionable with a cross around my neck and my amazing shoes. 👍

No, he actually grew up in a wealthy but secure home. Only child and his parents were good. Mom a typical loving Italian woman, Father a little strict but never abusive. He cares for his parents very much and my parents I adore–our common love for our familes is one we shared and cherished. I do not know why he seems to put me on a pedestal. I want someone who is my equal. I do not want to feel superior to anyone. I have a saucy personality sometimes and can be quite stubborn so I like it when people disagree with me–I want to debate. I like friendly banter. As I have mentioned before, I am surrounded by people who wouldn’t dream of upsetting me and hold me to such high regard (which I find annoying—I am a normal girl too) and I don’t want my future husband (whoever he may be) to see me that way. That being said, of course I’m not saying I want some loser who doesn’t care for me at all—just no super clinginess. That is weird. I can understand being that way the first month of dating, maybe, but after that I just want a normal, well-balanced relationship.
 
Yes, I don’t know why showing affection to the person I am with is so hard for me. I am very loving with my family and I adore and kiss my little dogs every day, but I guess I don’t like the idea of giving myself that much to someone—the control thing again! You should wait for the person who ellicits as much affection as you can give, doesn’t sound like he is doing that I really should work on that. I will. I just don’t know if I want to do that with him anymore. This whole neediness he has with me recently has really gotten me thinking if this is the relationship I want and thus I have begun to analyze everything. I don’t know whether that is a good or bad thing.

I think I do have commitment issues, but not because I have been hurt before. I have actually never experienced heartbreak. I am a bit afraid or hesistant of commitment to a person because I know the true meaning behind it. Commitment is not something I take lightly. Marriage is forever so I just don’t want to make a mistake. Does that make sense?Good!!! You have a good chance of not filing for divorce due to irreconciable differences in that case!!

Yes, thank you. I do dress quite glamorous but I always make sure it is classy or conservative. I love dressing up and going to Church. I like to associate fashion with Church and make it beautiful. I am a proud Catholic and will dress fashionable with a cross around my neck and my amazing shoes. 👍 Love it! Young people, especially, are much more attracted to the church when they see it’s not only for the dull. A well-dressed, attractive woman, who faithfully practices her faith does immense good for the Church, a man too for that matter. Both ,y husband and I also dress very carefully every Sunday

No, he actually grew up in a wealthy but secure home. Only child and his parents were good. Mom a typical loving Italian woman, Father a little strict but never abusive. He cares for his parents very much and my parents I adore–our common love for our familes is one we shared and cherished. I do not know why he seems to put me on a pedestal. I want someone who is my equal. I do not want to feel superior to anyone. I have a saucy personality sometimes and can be quite stubborn so I like it when people disagree with me–I want to debate. I like friendly banter. As I have mentioned before, I am surrounded by people who wouldn’t dream of upsetting me and hold me to such high regard (which I find annoying—I am a normal girl too) and I don’t want my future husband (whoever he may be) to see me that way. ** you will find that person, and you will debate your lives away. There will be no dull moment 🙂 fireworks in good times and in bad. I think my heart muscle is by far the one with most workout!** That being said, of course I’m not saying I want some loser who doesn’t care for me at all—just no super clinginess. That is weird. I can understand being that way the first month of dating, maybe, but after that I just want a normal, well-balanced relationship. Yup, as i said in my pp, it is normal for a couple of months, it definitely becomes off-putting after a year!
You seem to know just what you want. You’re young, there’s no rush!
 
You should wait for the person who ellicits as much affection as you can give, doesn’t sound like he is doing that.
Good!!! You have a good chance of not filing for divorce due to irreconciable differences in that case!!

:thumbsup:Love it! Young people, especially, are much more attracted to the church when they see it’s not only for the dull. A well-dressed, attractive woman, who faithfully practices her faith does immense good for the Church, a man too for that matter. Both ,my husband and I also dress very carefully every Sunday

You will find that person, and you will debate your lives away. There will be no dull moment fireworks in good times and in bad. I think my heart muscle is by far the one with most workout!
Yup, as i said in my pp, it is normal for a couple of months, it definitely becomes off-putting after a year!

You seem to know just what you want. You’re young, there’s no rush!
Yes, thank you 1inICXC. I am just cautious because I know the real meaning of commitment so I get a bit uneasy about the whole thing.

I don’t know how many of my friends and associates I have taken to Church with me over the years. Dozens and dozens! Some of them needed that extra push from someone and still attend Church now. I love that. Add a little fashion to that and it all becomes even more attractive to those who like to find a reason to dress up. I just personally love to look nice when I visit the Lord in His house. 🙂

Ok, so I suppose I know what I must do. It all works out in the end, when you do the right thing. I hope. :o
 
Yes, thank you 1inICXC. I am just cautious because I know the real meaning of commitment so I get a bit uneasy about the whole thing.

Do you? Yet you say you have never felt heartbreak… does that mean you just broke a lot of hearts and never got hurt yourself? I personally think that experiencing that you cant go around treating other people as your playthings is a very healthy albeit painful experience. I used to be like you… was the one who left people and never getting left myself. One time however after I had kept a very good man waiting and left him hanging without my commitment - and yes he was quite clingy also after a year - he lost interest… and I realised I had been an *** towards him and treated him in a manner that I would never want to be treated myself.
From now on, always ask yourself: “if this man were thinking, acting and speaking about me the way I am about him, would I want to be with him”.


I don’t know how many of my friends and associates I have taken to Church with me over the years. Dozens and dozens! Some of them needed that extra push from someone and still attend Church now. I love that. Add a little fashion to that and it all becomes even more attractive to those who like to find a reason to dress up. I just personally love to look nice when I visit the Lord in His house. 🙂

**Looking okay is good. Showing off is another thing. Modesty has many sides. Materialism is not part of Christian conduct. I say this because every time I see a thread from you you talk about clothes and cars and possessions, and looks which you seem to identify yourself with as well as most of your success. Even when the thread is about something else, you like to say how your looks has made you a rich and independant young lady. You are young now, but in a few years you will no longer be a model. You will be a normal woman having to do a normal job. And then you will have friends who appreciate you for your personality and not for your luxurious life style and looks.
I often think a fantastic looks is a cross. People are prone to vanity and they attract the vanity of others. . **

Ok, so I suppose I know what I must do. It all works out in the end, when you do the right thing. I hope. :o

Are you sure? If you have the confidence and true friendship of this man and he is a good Christian and he sees past your looks and into your other qualities… I hope you realize such men don’t grow on the trees.
 
Do you? Yet you say you have never felt heartbreak… does that mean you just broke a lot of hearts and never got hurt yourself? I personally think that experiencing that you cant go around treating other people as your playthings is a very healthy albeit painful experience. I used to be like you… was the one who left people and never getting left myself. One time however after I had kept a very good man waiting and left him hanging without my commitment - and yes he was quite clingy also after a year - he lost interest… and I realised I had been an *** towards him and treated him in a manner that I would never want to be treated myself.
From now on, always ask yourself: “if this man were thinking, acting and speaking about me the way I am about him, would I want to be with him”.

Looking okay is good. Showing off is another thing. Modesty has many sides. Materialism is not part of Christian conduct. I say this because every time I see a thread from you you talk about clothes and cars and possessions, and looks which you seem to identify yourself with as well as most of your success. Even when the thread is about something else, you like to say how your looks has made you a rich and independant young lady. You are young now, but in a few years you will no longer be a model. You will be a normal woman having to do a normal job. And then you will have friends who appreciate you for your personality and not for your luxurious life style and looks.
I often think a fantastic looks is a cross. People are prone to vanity and they attract the vanity of others. .

Are you sure? If you have the confidence and true friendship of this man and he is a good Christian and he sees past your looks and into your other qualities… I hope you realize such men don’t grow on the trees.
Because I choose to end relationships in the past does not make me a heart breaker. I would never purposefully want to hurt someone or take pleasure in their pain. Yes, I myself have never suffered heartache but that doesn’t mean I would ever want to inflict that pain on anyone intentionally. I never treat anyone without respect or kindness. My parents raised me better than that.

Yes, I am materialistic GraceDK, I have addressed that issue on many occassions and agree that it is definitely something I must work on. We are not perfect and pride/vanity seem to be my downfall. However, I am aware and ackownledge that this is so, and pray for a little help to change that. I am young—I am still trying.

Of course I realize men don’t grow on trees. But I cannot visualize spending the rest of my life with him anymore. Sometimes I think if I try really hard and we work on things that maybe it can change, but there’s this weird feeling in the pit of my stomach that doesn’t think so.
 
Yes, I don’t know why showing affection to the person I am with is so hard for me. I am very loving with my family and I adore and kiss my little dogs every day, but I guess I don’t like the idea of giving myself that much to someone—the control thing again! I really should work on that. I will. I just don’t know if I want to do that with him anymore. This whole neediness he has with me recently has really gotten me thinking if this is the relationship I want and thus I have begun to analyze everything. I don’t know whether that is a good or bad thing.
Well, there are differing levels of affection people are comfortable with. Remember the “you may now kiss the bride?” phrase, suggesting that before then you couldn’t really? If you want to reserve that kind of display of affection for someone you’re already married to, I definitely won’t try to convince you otherwise. I’ve wondered sometimes, if only on an abstract theoretical level. Maybe you do feel that way.

Anyway, while his neediness and perhaps “extortion” of affection can’t not play a part here, perhaps you’ve been losing interest for independent reasons? The doubts that you mention below? These namely:
I think I do have commitment issues, but not because I have been hurt before. I have actually never experienced heartbreak. I am a bit afraid or hesistant of commitment to a person because I know the true meaning behind it. Commitment is not something I take lightly. Marriage is forever so I just don’t want to make a mistake. Does that make sense?
I know such doubts very well, I too don’t want to make a mistake and the fear has always been present with me so far, with any woman I’ve been attracted to. There is a chance that you are young and generally not ready to choose any single man yet because you need to get a broader perspective before you acquire the ability. However, it is also possible that you simply have doubts about this man in particular.
Yes, thank you. I do dress quite glamorous but I always make sure it is classy or conservative. I love dressing up and going to Church. I like to associate fashion with Church and make it beautiful. I am a proud Catholic and will dress fashionable with a cross around my neck and my amazing shoes. 👍
As someone who has had a bit of a struggle in that area, I’d like to say: just make sure the glam doesn’t overshade your personality or engage too much attention that would otherwise go to things that are ultimately more important to you. 😉 Believe me when I say I’ve had a taste of that temptation as a man actually. Don’t let it get too far, you’ve got too many and too good brains to let them soften up and too strong of a moral character to let it erode!
No, he actually grew up in a wealthy but secure home. Only child and his parents were good. Mom a typical loving Italian woman, Father a little strict but never abusive. He cares for his parents very much and my parents I adore–our common love for our familes is one we shared and cherished. I do not know why he seems to put me on a pedestal. I want someone who is my equal. I do not want to feel superior to anyone. I have a saucy personality sometimes and can be quite stubborn so I like it when people disagree with me–I want to debate. I like friendly banter. As I have mentioned before, I am surrounded by people who wouldn’t dream of upsetting me and hold me to such high regard (which I find annoying—I am a normal girl too) and I don’t want my future husband (whoever he may be) to see me that way. That being said, of course I’m not saying I want some loser who doesn’t care for me at all—just no super clinginess. That is weird. I can understand being that way the first month of dating, maybe, but after that I just want a normal, well-balanced relationship.
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(Warning, this is going to be lengthy.)

Hmm… I’m half-guessing but maybe he got much affection from his mother?

As for the pedestal, that’s hard for me to assess but believe me the word has appeared in my romantic life. You must distinguish between what looks similar to idolatry at least on the face (“goddess”, “worship” etc.), inferiority complexes, servile attitudes, and old-school manners and attitude towards women.

Regarding the last of the above, men who have received an ubpringing which put emphasis on chivalry are likely to show much more esteem and deference than a modern woman is prepared to process. But this is similar to respecting e.g. an office holder (due to his office) even though he’s a fallible sinner like you are. The reverence and even deference that a woman will experience from a man in such a situation shouldn’t make her feel like she’s in a superior-subordinate type of dynamic. Not with a boyfriend, not with a friend, not with a stranger. That e.g. your every morally acceptable request would be complied with (or even the man would rush to comply with it) doesn’t mean that you could get away with an immoral request or even a dubious one, or an outright command if you tried to issue it. This kind of behaviour on the part of the man may seem, on the face, to invite a woman to behave like a spoiled brat, and there is such a risk, but a more proper reaction would be generosity, reciprocal kindness, something, let’s say, comparable to two friendly mediaeval lords going out of their skins to to host each other stately, in their respective turns. 😉 In other words: he pays for you? Don’t tell him not to, just pay for him some other day. Holds the door? Great, thank him and do the same for him when he seems to need it. Did he get up and walk around the table to pour your wine or coffee or tea? Nothing prevents you from doing the same for him (over his objections). Does he help you with your coat? Just accept it and thank him, there can be humility in that (it may be more humble to accept something embarrassing than to refuse it flat out; this is somewhat similar to a mediaeval king or bishop wearing a hear shirt under his rich robes). And so on and so forth. The same applies to less etiquettal situations that don’t fall under a manners cliché.

If you want more informal relations and can’t seem to be getting the level of familiarity that you need from such a relationship (due to the “pedestal” thing etc.) I guess you can try and come up with ways to introduce that familiarity and make room for friendly banter, as well as some candid expression of whatever the man thinks of what you’re doing. In such a case be prepared to live with it… if you’re stubborn (which is not altogether rare for a young woman ;)) and he actually happens to be right on an issue, and you wrong, it may sting. Don’t make him regret speaking up. (Generally, whenever you invite a shy person to speak, you need to somewhat sparing with your response, even if you disagree.)

To sum up the previous two paragraphs (rather lengthy, I’m sorry for this), basically making him “your equal” for the purposes of manners, etiquette, kindness and so on may require you to start going out of your way for him rather than demanding him to stop doing that for you. This too would put you on a more equal footing. There’s a lot a woman can do in this regard but doesn’t have to and that’s where the beauty of it lies.

And don’t feel superior to him. That one is up to you. Rather recognise his kindness, humility, lack of pride, contentedness with where he is in life, this kind of thing. Unless he actually does cross the line into being a lap dog but that doesn’t seem likely to me from your descriptions of him as a man who hardly seems to be spineless. Now if he really treated you literally like his boss, that would be a different cup of tea. If that were true, you’d need to think long and hard before committing, and the outcome would likely be in the negative.

Finally, a man may be intimidated by a beautiful woman. It is a natural reflex to want to serve something which or someone who is beautiful, after all, God is the most beautiful and that is where beauty relates, or should do. I’ve occasionally been made speechless… I, the young lawyer wannabe who talked back to judges, scolded the Attorney General, made the court laugh at a law professor and the client and work up another veteran counsel, and more, I just couldn’t find enough energy to sustain a normal conversation due to being so moved by a woman who was so much of what I looked for, to the point I couldn’t believe it was happening (despite all the negatives that I actually saw clearly, and actually did address). She made the mistake of judging me to be weak and playable (she was very wrong about that one)… things weren’t pretty afterwards, with lots of suffering for both parties as I believe. This is probably part of the male side of falling in love. You, the big guy, are suddenly left speechless by a girl. I guess that’s how it works. (Whereafter you want to protect her and you’re inclined to see her as a better person than you are, since you’re big, ugly and hairy and, well, male, so not supposed to be pretty etc.)
 
Of course I realize men don’t grow on trees. But I cannot visualize spending the rest of my life with him anymore. Sometimes I think if I try really hard and we work on things that maybe it can change, but there’s this weird feeling in the pit of my stomach that doesn’t think so.
You have your answer. Don’t marry someone or stay with someone based on you having to try really hard to work on things so they can change.
 
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