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Marie5890
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Thanks for that, Kathleen. That is so descriptive of my demanding hunger for Truth.
It’s so demanding, it haunts me even.
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It’s so demanding, it haunts me even.
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KathleenGee
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I knew a lady back then who would get very hostile towards Mary. Another Catholic was debating her and I would let them go on but then pray and interject some truth about Our Lady.
A few years later I had to call the woman and the moment she heard it was me, she said,‘That was right about Mary’.
I hope the truth comes to light for the Mormon people.
A few years later I had to call the woman and the moment she heard it was me, she said,‘That was right about Mary’.
I hope the truth comes to light for the Mormon people.
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TexanKnight
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We have seen the light come to many who have been led out of that false church. Let us pray it continues!
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KathleenGee
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Yes, we pray very much for them, especially those who are withholding Truth Who is none other than Jesus Christ.
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TexanKnight
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Palmer’s comments make things so clear. I have never been able to get over the fact that, in a Book (B of M) where no one seems to know exactly where it took place, only ONE place from the Book has been definitively identified by several prophets: Cumorah. The LDS Church owns it. As the only identifiable place from the B of M, all they had to do was excavate it…
Finding out that all the GAs are aware of the truth and are paid a million each hush money clears up any reasons for not doing so.
It is the only explanation that makes sense for not excavating
Finding out that all the GAs are aware of the truth and are paid a million each hush money clears up any reasons for not doing so.
It is the only explanation that makes sense for not excavating
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KathleenGee
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Truth seekers who are motivated and documenting objectively should start excavating. That would be a mission in itself.
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iepuras
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That would certainly keep all those extra missionaries busy!
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TexanKnight
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They would only be busy digging. They would not have to spend any time cleaning BofM artifacts and cataloging them
Of course, the leaders know that, hence…
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KathleenGee
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Here is a muse of Mormon Restorationist interpretations, by a Seattleite Catholic who visited Cumorah Hill
www.firstthings.com/web-exclusive/2014/06/a-visit-to-cumorah-hill-of-the-mormons
www.firstthings.com/web-exclusive/2014/06/a-visit-to-cumorah-hill-of-the-mormons
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Porknpie
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If they decided to excavate it, I’d show up with my shovel and help.
Every Mormon should demand that their church excavate this hillside.
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TexanKnight
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Exactly
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TexanKnight
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Editor Comment: Grant waited 6 months before releasing this report to the public because he wanted to make sure this is what the GA believed.
In mid-October 2012, a returned LDS Mission President contacted me to arrange a meeting. Several days later, he called again and said that a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy also wished to attend. He said the General Authority would attend on condition that I not name him or repeat any stories that would identify him.
He explained that neither of them, including the GA’s wife, believed the founding claims of the restoration were true. He clarified that they had read my book, An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins, and had concluded that the LDS Church was not true; was not what it claimed to be. The GA often went to the MormonThink.com website for information and there discovered my book. The Mission President said he received my book from the GA.
We have at this writing met three times. We first met on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 and again February 14, 2013 at my house. On March 26, 2013 we convened at the GAs house. Upon entering my home for the first meeting the GA said, “We are here to learn.” I recognized him. He has been a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy for a number of years. He has served in several high profile assignments during this period. The following are the more important statements made by the GA during our first three meetings. We now meet monthly.
He said that each new member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is given one million dollars to take care of any financial obligations they have. This money gift allows them to fully focus on the ministry. He said that the overriding consideration of who is chosen is whether they are “church broke,” meaning, will they do whatever they are told.
He said the senior six apostles make the agenda and do most of the talking. The junior six are told to observe, listen and learn and really only comment if they are asked. He said that it takes about two to three years before the new apostle discovers that the church is not true.
He said it took Dieter F. Uchtdorf a little longer because he was an outsider. He said they privately talk among themselves and know the foundational claims of the restoration are not true, but continue on boldly “because the people need it,” meaning the people need the church.
When the Mission President voiced skepticism and named ___ as one who surely did believe, The GA said: “No, he doesn’t.” The one million dollar gift, plus their totally obedient attitude makes it easy for them to go along when they find out the church is not true. For these reasons and others, he doesn’t expect any apostle to ever expose the truth about the foundational claims.
When I asked the GA how he knew these things, he answered by saying that the Quorum of the Twelve today is more isolated from the Quorums of the Seventies now because there are several of them. When only one Quorum of the Seventy existed, there was more intimacy. During his one on one assignments with an apostle, conversations were more familiar. He said that none of the apostles ever said to him directly that they did not believe; but that it was his opinion based on “his interactions with them.” Also, that none of the Twelve want to discuss “truth issues,” meaning issues regarding the foundational claims of the church.
He said that the apostle’s lives are so completely and entirely enmeshed in every detail of their lives in the church, that many of them would probably die defending the church rather than admit the truth about Joseph Smith and the foundations of the church. The GA stated that my disciplinary action (which would have occurred on the final Sunday of October 2010 had I not resigned), was mandated/ordered/approved by the First Presidency of the Church. I said that if the apostles know the church is not true and yet order a disciplinary hearing for my writing a book that is almost certainly true regarding the foundational claims of the church, then they are corrupt even evil. He replied, “That’s right!”
The GA said the church is like a weakened dam. At first you don’t see cracks on the face; nevertheless, things are happening behind the scenes. Eventually, small cracks appear, and then the dam will “explode.” When it does, he said, the members are going to be “shocked” and will need scholars/historians like me to educate them regarding the Mormon past.
In mid-October 2012, a returned LDS Mission President contacted me to arrange a meeting. Several days later, he called again and said that a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy also wished to attend. He said the General Authority would attend on condition that I not name him or repeat any stories that would identify him.
He explained that neither of them, including the GA’s wife, believed the founding claims of the restoration were true. He clarified that they had read my book, An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins, and had concluded that the LDS Church was not true; was not what it claimed to be. The GA often went to the MormonThink.com website for information and there discovered my book. The Mission President said he received my book from the GA.
We have at this writing met three times. We first met on Tuesday, October 23, 2012 and again February 14, 2013 at my house. On March 26, 2013 we convened at the GAs house. Upon entering my home for the first meeting the GA said, “We are here to learn.” I recognized him. He has been a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy for a number of years. He has served in several high profile assignments during this period. The following are the more important statements made by the GA during our first three meetings. We now meet monthly.
He said that each new member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles is given one million dollars to take care of any financial obligations they have. This money gift allows them to fully focus on the ministry. He said that the overriding consideration of who is chosen is whether they are “church broke,” meaning, will they do whatever they are told.
He said the senior six apostles make the agenda and do most of the talking. The junior six are told to observe, listen and learn and really only comment if they are asked. He said that it takes about two to three years before the new apostle discovers that the church is not true.
He said it took Dieter F. Uchtdorf a little longer because he was an outsider. He said they privately talk among themselves and know the foundational claims of the restoration are not true, but continue on boldly “because the people need it,” meaning the people need the church.
When the Mission President voiced skepticism and named ___ as one who surely did believe, The GA said: “No, he doesn’t.” The one million dollar gift, plus their totally obedient attitude makes it easy for them to go along when they find out the church is not true. For these reasons and others, he doesn’t expect any apostle to ever expose the truth about the foundational claims.
When I asked the GA how he knew these things, he answered by saying that the Quorum of the Twelve today is more isolated from the Quorums of the Seventies now because there are several of them. When only one Quorum of the Seventy existed, there was more intimacy. During his one on one assignments with an apostle, conversations were more familiar. He said that none of the apostles ever said to him directly that they did not believe; but that it was his opinion based on “his interactions with them.” Also, that none of the Twelve want to discuss “truth issues,” meaning issues regarding the foundational claims of the church.
He said that the apostle’s lives are so completely and entirely enmeshed in every detail of their lives in the church, that many of them would probably die defending the church rather than admit the truth about Joseph Smith and the foundations of the church. The GA stated that my disciplinary action (which would have occurred on the final Sunday of October 2010 had I not resigned), was mandated/ordered/approved by the First Presidency of the Church. I said that if the apostles know the church is not true and yet order a disciplinary hearing for my writing a book that is almost certainly true regarding the foundational claims of the church, then they are corrupt even evil. He replied, “That’s right!”
The GA said the church is like a weakened dam. At first you don’t see cracks on the face; nevertheless, things are happening behind the scenes. Eventually, small cracks appear, and then the dam will “explode.” When it does, he said, the members are going to be “shocked” and will need scholars/historians like me to educate them regarding the Mormon past.
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TexanKnight
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At some point, this will be common knowledge
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PaulDupre1
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So the question now is: How many of those who know will leave the LDS org and how many will become New Order Mormons (NOM)?
And what percentage of LDS need to be NOM before the LDS church ceases to be what it is now?
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iepuras
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A lot of that depends on if the person is married to a believing Mormon and how tolerant that spouse is of unbelief. Alas, many marriages do not survive because the unbelieving spouse leaves the LDS church instead of becoming a NOM.
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Telstar
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KathleenGee
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Yes…they are in there with electronic data processing equipment and will only be used to provide more sophist type arguments.
All the more public pressure should begin on the Quorum 70 folks as well as demand excavation of Cumorah Hill. They ‘excavate’ our Library we do the same to theirs…to excavate for the Truth.
All the more public pressure should begin on the Quorum 70 folks as well as demand excavation of Cumorah Hill. They ‘excavate’ our Library we do the same to theirs…to excavate for the Truth.
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