To Genuflect or not to Genuflect, that is the Question

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When at the EF, and the Credo is said, yes we genuflect during the words of the Incarnation. At the OF Masses, we are asked to bow, and its rare to see a genuflection during the Incarnation part of the Creed. So depending on the Mass type I am at, then I do that particular thing: bow or genuflect.
 
The OCP missalette which we use doesn’t mention kneeling for Christmas or for the Annunciation. I assume it was a printing error.
The WLP (J.S. Paluch) missalette mentions it but under the title “Profession of Faith”:

On the Solemnity of Christmas we genuflect during the words "and became man."

Which no one did because it is under the title while the regular procedure of bowing is before “And by the power of the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and became man”:

At the words that follow up to and including and became man, all bow.
 
At our Christmas Mass, the priest explicitly reminded everyone to kneel during that part of the creed and no one did. Then he stopped the creed and said Please genuflect now. And then continued.

I was very happy to hear that. People need more explicit instruction. I would also like to see more explicit instruction about the bowing.
 
i know I am going to sound really stupid but I have never seen ANYONE bow or
genuflect during the creed. Is this done only in the EF ?
I only attend OF.
please forgive my stupidity.
 
i know I am going to sound really stupid but I have never seen ANYONE bow or
genuflect during the creed. Is this done only in the EF ?
I only attend OF.
please forgive my stupidity.
In the Extraordinary Form, a genuflection (if one is not already kneeling, as at Low Mass) is always made in the Credo.

In the Ordinary Form, a profound bow, from the waist, is always made in the Credo, except for at the Christmas masses and one other mass which I don’t remember (probably Easter Vigil?), in which everyone genuflects.

I think the problem with only bowing is that it is a less deliberate action, and feels and looks as such, and doesn’t feel as natural (to a Roman Catholic, at least), IMO, as genuflecting. We don’t bow at any other time in the mass, nor do we bow to a tabernacle, nor do we bow to bishops, but we do make genuflections (or kneel) all the time, at every mass, to every occupied tabernacle, and traditionally to bishops. It’s just like how hardly anyone remembers to bow the head before receiving communion–even I forget about half the time, and when I don’t, I notice very few people who do–as it’s a less deliberate action, and there’s much subjectivity as to what a “profound” bow is, how deep it is. There is no subjectivity as to what a genuflection is: hit the floor with the right knee. There are those who do the semi-, partial-genuflect thing, but when everyone does it at the same time, it’s a more powerful visual statement, and nobody wants to be the odd one not doing it unless you can’t. Then there’s the problem of still genuflecting on two days in the OF: how many people remember to do that, really? That’s just poor, poor liturgical design on the part of the Consilium. It’s almost as if that was designed to fail. I’m not saying the poor design was purposefully done, but when you have to have the priest stop in the middle of the Credo to tell everyone to kneel because no one remembers on those two days out of the whole year, then there’s a real problem that needs to be fixed.

Whenever you go to EF High Masses, everyone genuflects, because it’s a more deliberate action, and it’s always done. At Low Mass, you’re already kneeling and at High Mass, a genuflection is made. That’s much better design, IMO, and is simpler. I don’t know what the intent was in changing it and making a rule that few people follow because they don’t know it and then an exception to a rule that few people follow because they don’t remember it. That’s just plain flawed and makes no sense.
 
In my Church very few people seem to bother bowing (including the Priest) which is strange since it now explicity instructs us to do so on the mass card. Quite often I have to stand backwards lest my head bumps the person in front.
 
We genuflect in our church, on occasion when my knees act up I bow from the waist. We also do that when reciting the Angelous and the last gospel too. Seems to me your right about the disposable mass missile’s advising us to bow though.
 
In the Extraordinary Form, a genuflection (if one is not already kneeling, as at Low Mass) is always made in the Credo.
It is my recollection that when the EF was the OF we stood for the gospel and remained standing through the Creed. On the other hand I was often serving; so may be remembering what the servers did.
 
It is my recollection that when the EF was the OF we stood for the gospel and remained standing through the Creed. On the other hand I was often serving; so may be remembering what the servers did.
Nope. A genuflection is made in the EF, and a profound bow is made in the OF. That is the rubric right in the missal. If your church has altar cards for the new translation of the OF, I wager that the rubric is printed there.
 
i know I am going to sound really stupid but I have never seen ANYONE bow or
genuflect during the creed. Is this done only in the EF ?
I only attend OF.
please forgive my stupidity.
We’re supposed to bow at this point in the OF, but many people simply don’t know that. I was in college before I ever came across people that bowed. I had never heard of it prior to then either.

Here is what the General Instruction of the Roman Missal (the document that tells us how to use the Missal) says:

137. The Symbol or Creed is sung or recited by the Priest together with the people (cf. no. 68) with everyone standing. At the words et incarnatus est, etc. (and by the Holy Spirit . . . and became man) all make a profound bow; but on the Solemnities of the Annunciation and of the Nativity of the Lord, all genuflect.

Note, the “profound bow” required here is defined as a “bow of the body”, which is different from a “bow of the head”. Of course, if one has difficulty bowing in such a way (due to physical conditions, holding a child, etc.), you do what you can.

We genuflect on Christmas and the Annunciation because these are the two feasts of the Incarnation, which is what we are professing in the line during which we bow.
 
at the church I attend, which is OF
I have not seen anyone bow, including the priest.
 
Nope. A genuflection is made in the EF, and a profound bow is made in the OF. That is the rubric right in the missal. If your church has altar cards for the new translation of the OF, I wager that the rubric is printed there.
I mean that I don’t recall that we were ever already kneeling.
In the Extraordinary Form, a genuflection (if one is not already kneeling, as at Low Mass) is always made in the Credo.
 
I mean that I don’t recall that we were ever already kneeling.
Oops. I mean, you’re standing for the Credo but you do genuflect (kneel if you like) from “et incarnatus est” to “homo factus est.”
 
As a practical matter, how does one genuflect in the pew?

I’m asking about the mechanics of it. It seems like it would be a bit awkward in the cramped space, no?
You think you guys have it rough?

In the Christian East, kneeling is only a position of repentance, not respect, and the canon prohibiting kneeling on Sunday is still observed. (Standing is the position of respect).

Anyway, though we don’t kneel on Sunday,during lent we do make full prostrations . . . Bu t modernly, folks have put these “pew” things in the churches, making it impossible unless serving on the altar or in an aisle seat or the front row . . .

🙂

hawk
 
at the church I attend, which is OF
I have not seen anyone bow, including the priest.
Not everyone is familiar with the GIRM. The direction is in there. Not everyone knows about it or feels it is important to follow.
 
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