To Heaven or to hell?

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I agree with the above couple of posts, that the scriptures point to the ultimate victory of God and when God wins he wins big. The idea of most souls going to Hell because a combination of their culture, their conscience and the choice they ultimately made concerning which religion they followed does not to me represent the idea of a loving merciful God, and certainly does not seem to be a vision of a victorious God. He is just though, so some must go to Hell.
 
So I came across this question in my discussions with my father (a Protestant) and so I pose it to you guys…

Do most people go to Heaven or do most people go to hell?

Please cite references as to whichever side you choose or just give a good reason!

Lol, btw, he says the vast majority would be going to hell, I said I have no idea, I have to leave it up to God and hope that He saves as many as possible.
As LDS we believe there are few who go to hell. The grand majority of all people who have ever lived will be saved in the kingdom of heaven. Of the few who are cast down to hell we read in our scriptures:
They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born; for they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity; concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come…These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels - and the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power; yea, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the suffeings of his wrath." (D&C 76:32-34, 36-38)
These sons of perdition will deny the gospel plan. They will reject Christ as their Savior after they have understood who he is and what he has done. They will not have the desire or inclination to repent. In such a state the Lord cannot further help them and they will be sent to outer darkness.

All others who have ever or will ever live will obtain a kingdom of glory. Now of course, not all obtain the same glory, as Paul says, “there are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for on star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in curruption; it is raised in incorruption” (1 Cor 15:40-42). Therefore we have great cause to rejoice. The Lord is merciful to all his children. We have not entered this mortal state to be rejected and cast off, but to be saved.
 
So the majority of us believe that most will make it to heaven, of course not all but the majority.

Now then here is the dilemma, with approximately 1 billion Catholics and well even though there is a lot less, let’s just say 1 billion Protestants or other Christians, and assuming that all Christians as a whole get to heaven (which we know not all of us will) that leaves about 5 billion other people who either don’t believe in Christ or don’t know Him. How are they getting to heaven?

Spoiler alert!!! 🚨

I don’t have the answer, I’m hoping one of you guys can help me out with this…
 
So I came across this question in my discussions with my father (a Protestant) and so I pose it to you guys…

Do most people go to Heaven or do most people go to hell?

Please cite references as to whichever side you choose or just give a good reason!

Lol, btw, he says the vast majority would be going to hell, I said I have no idea, I have to leave it up to God and hope that He saves as many as possible.
The late Avery Cardinal Dulles wrote a scholarly article in First Things on this topic concluding:
If we knew that some fixed percent, say fifty, would be saved, we would be caught in an unholy rivalry. We would rejoice in every sign that others were among the lost, since our own chances of election would thereby be increased. Such a competitive spirit would hardly be compatible with the gospel. firstthings.com/article/2003/05/the-population-of-hell
 
So the majority of us believe that most will make it to heaven, of course not all but the majority.

Now then here is the dilemma, with approximately 1 billion Catholics and well even though there is a lot less, let’s just say 1 billion Protestants or other Christians, and assuming that all Christians as a whole get to heaven (which we know not all of us will) that leaves about 5 billion other people who either don’t believe in Christ or don’t know Him. How are they getting to heaven?

Spoiler alert!!! 🚨

I don’t have the answer, I’m hoping one of you guys can help me out with this…
The answer is:
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DA DA DA DA
Reincarnation.
We don't go to heaven, we grow to heaven.
 
So the majority of us believe that most will make it to heaven, of course not all but the majority.

Now then here is the dilemma, with approximately 1 billion Catholics and well even though there is a lot less, let’s just say 1 billion Protestants or other Christians, and assuming that all Christians as a whole get to heaven (which we know not all of us will) that leaves about 5 billion other people who either don’t believe in Christ or don’t know Him. How are they getting to heaven?

Spoiler alert!!! 🚨

I don’t have the answer, I’m hoping one of you guys can help me out with this…
I would say by God’s grace they would go to purgatory.
 
I used to think that as 1/3 of the angels went to Hell then maybe 1/3 of humans going to Hell would seem about right.
 
I recall reading that several visionaries have said they were told that about a third of souls go to Hell. That the largest number go first to Purgatory, then to Heaven.

I can’t promise that my memory is accurate on this point, but I think we can say with confidence that the Saved outnumber the Lost.
I have the link, but I don’t know if I can post it because Medjugorje has not been approved yet, but it says…" most people go to purgatory, the next greatest number go to Hell, and only a few go directly to Heaven".
 
I used to think that as 1/3 of the angels went to Hell then maybe 1/3 of humans going to Hell would seem about right.
I have read theologians who think similarly. They think that for every angel that fell a unique place in heaven’s hierarchy has a vacancy and will (and must) be filled by a human being because God created heaven in perfect order.
 
I have read theologians who think similarly. They think that for every angel that fell a unique place in heaven’s hierarchy has a vacancy and will (and must) be filled by a human being because God created heaven in perfect order.
It then follows that there are twice as many angels ever created as there are humans ever created (and ever will be created). There’s mathematically no other way for this to work. 😃
 
It then follows that there are twice as many angels ever created as there are humans ever created (and ever will be created). There’s mathematically no other way for this to work. 😃
I realize in hindsight that I made an unwarranted assumption in my math. This only follows if God created every angel ever to exist prior to the fall of the 1/3. If He has been creating new angels ever since (and none of them have fallen. In other words the fall of the angels was a one time event in the history of eternity) then the only conclusion we can draw is that the increase in the number of angels since their fall cannot be any larger than 100%.
 
“I believe that most if not all of you will burn in hell eternally. Please see the brutal and graphic details of your future suffering which I’ve quoted from the Quran and posted above. Oh, and by the way, happy new year, everyone!”

And… you’re perfectly okay with this. This is psychotic.
Associating partners with God,
also known as Shirk, is when you worship something other than Allah or when you associate a Divine Attribute to something other than Allah. Worshiping a tree, or example, is Shirk. Another example is praying to something other than Allah; to do that, a person has to believe that that person they’re praying to is All-Hearing. Believing that a human is All-Hearing is Shirk, because Allah alone is As-Sami, the All-Hearing. There are 99 names of Allah and associating any of those names with a created being is Shirk.

That’s the main reason I reject the Shi’i faith – because it takes the attribute that God alone has [As-Sami] and applies it to their twelve imams.

Those who believe that Christ is God will not be saved, as it says in the passage I quoted earlier. I’ll quote the whole thing this time: “They have certainly disbelieved who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary’ while the Messiah has said, ‘O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers” (surah 5:72)

If someone understands Islam and exits this life having rejected it, that person will fail to be saved; the Qur’an is full of examples of that. Pharaoh did that and not only was his plea rejected, he was also drowned.

My first post of 2017! happy new year, everyone! 😃
 
So I came across this question in my discussions with my father (a Protestant) and so I pose it to you guys…

Do most people go to Heaven or do most people go to hell?

Please cite references as to whichever side you choose or just give a good reason!

Lol, btw, he says the vast majority would be going to hell, I said I have no idea, I have to leave it up to God and hope that He saves as many as possible.
Matthew 7:13-14 King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
So I came across this question in my discussions with my father (a Protestant) and so I pose it to you guys…

Do most people go to Heaven or do most people go to hell?

Please cite references as to whichever side you choose or just give a good reason!

Lol, btw, he says the vast majority would be going to hell, I said I have no idea, I have to leave it up to God and hope that He saves as many as possible.
THAT dear friend is an EASY and VERY sad one to answer factually:eek:

**Mt. 7: 13-24 **
.[13] Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. [14] **How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! **15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

[16] By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.

[21]** Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven**. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock [REFERENCE TO MT 16:18-19 & pETER BEING THE ROCK THAT CHRIST FREELY CHOOSE].

Eph. 2: 20-22

[20] Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone: [21] In whom all the building, being framed together, groweth up into an holy temple in the Lord. [22] In whom you also are built together into an habitation of God in the Spirit.

God Bless you friend!

Patrick
 
Matthew 7:13-14 King James Version (KJV)

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
This could mean that few go straight to Heaven when they die, many will be detained in Purgatory.
 
This could mean that few go straight to Heaven when they die, many will be detained in Purgatory.
So you classify purgatory as “destruction”?

I think Jesus was pretty clear. Most are going to hell unfortunately. It’s one of the reasons why i love the Fatima prayer. Humanity is all screwed up and we need God’s mercy and patience
 
So you classify purgatory as “destruction”?

I think Jesus was pretty clear. Most are going to hell unfortunately. It’s one of the reasons why i love the Fatima prayer. Humanity is all screwed up and we need God’s mercy and patience
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;

Revelation 7:9
 
So I came across this question in my discussions with my father (a Protestant) and so I pose it to you guys…

Do most people go to Heaven or do most people go to hell?

Please cite references as to whichever side you choose or just give a good reason!

Lol, btw, he says the vast majority would be going to hell, I said I have no idea, I have to leave it up to God and hope that He saves as many as possible.
As for other people, I can’t say. Only God knows the hearts of others. As far as how I understand my faith in Christ, the fact that I was baptized and I am at every Communion table that is humanly possible for me to attend, I know that I will be in heaven. God gives us promises about this many times in Scripture:

Matthew 10:32
Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father in heaven.

Luke 12:8
I tell you, everyone who confesses Me before men, the Son of Man will also confess him before the angels of God.

Acts 2:24
But God raised Him from the dead, releasing Him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for Him to be held in its clutches.

Acts 2:32
God has raised this Jesus to life, to which we are all witnesses.

Acts 16:31
They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Romans 4:24
but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited–for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Romans 10:10
For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

Romans 14:9
For this reason Christ died and returned to life, so that He might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I inform you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Philippians 2:11
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Help me understand if what I’ve said here is not clear.

God bless all!

Rita
 
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