To live by faith

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Hell and Heaven are the ends of the journey we walk on here on Earth. Here we walk the journey, the road to the destination, a road of our own choosing.

Hell is self-chosen eternal separation from God. God isn’t heaping fire on people in Hell to punish them. The condition of the damned – self-chosen separation from all that is good – is the punishment they endure. They choose it for themselves and live in eternity in it, because, since they lack any remaining virtue (having completely rejected God, the source of all virtue), they cannot repent, for that would be a virtuous act.
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This is the best explanation of Hell I have seen. It has blessed me all this day long.

It is consistent with scripture, tradition and reason and commensurate with a godly and sensitive conscience.

Praise God from whom all blessings flow!
 
Official Catholic eschatology is nowhere near so detailed and developed as Protestant eschatologies tend to be. It does present basic scriptural positions about what will happen, though.

Thanks for this, Lief. I know exactly what you mean. I used to hold to the pre-tribulation rapture of the Church taught by many evangelical Churches. I now reject this interpretation because I believe there will be only ONE (not two!) Second Coming of Christ and it will be a visible (not invisible!) event. Furthermore, I believe the true Saints and the true Church will be taken to Heaven permanently (not temporalily!). Therefore, the approach of Catholic eschatology as you have outlined I am in agreement with.

When the Catholic Church began, after its “initial covenant” with Jesus, it endured a Purgative phase in its existence, severe persecution under the Roman Empire. Then it went through an illuminative phase, the Medieval Ages when the entire known world was Christian and God’s truth was everywhere. Then, the sinful Church was punished with a kind of spiritual exile in our modern secular “Post-Christian” era, like that which the Babylonian Exile Israel endured.

That’s where we’re at right now. There actually is a lot more precision than that in the parallels between Old Testament Israel and our Church, which I’m not getting into here. For instance, the Old Testament split between Judah and Israel occurred in Israel’s “Illuminative Phase,” just as the Orthodox and Catholic split occurred during our Illuminative Phase. There are other things too- I’m not an expert on it.

Thank you again, Lief. This was very insightful as well. I am currently being blessed beyond measure. God is pouring out his Spirit. Praise God! I believe what you write here is true. Indeed, there are parallels between Old Testament Israel and the Church. I understand this, I appreciate it and I believe it.

What the Catholic mystics are foretelling right now is a severe punishment from God is coming soon upon the entire world, including the Catholic Church, for its sins (This parallels Persia’s conquest of Babylon, immediately prior to the restoration of Israel as a country, I presume). Following that, the mystics predict that all Christians will again become united in one Body and our spiritual exile will end (as Israel/Judah were restored as one single kingdom on their old land). For a time, perhaps centuries, there will be peace (as there was for Israel). That’s as far as they’ve gotten in their predictions, I think. But the next logical steps in the parallelism are pretty clear. Following that will be the Great Tribulation (Paralleling the persecution of Israel under Antiochus) and then the Second Coming (Just as, immediately following Antiochus, the Incarnation of Christ occurred).

That’s the unofficial position Catholics tend to take on End Times, based both on Biblical parallelism (which also parallels the spiritual phases in the lives of the saints) and the mystical experiences, visions and other, that many of our saints have had

Lief, most enlightening and I agree with this position. I believe it accords with scripture, tradition and reason…
Lief, this is an excellent response to the key events surrounding and encompassing the Second Coming of Christ. When this eschatology is comprehended it makes the godly person more dependent on Christ!

Come Lord Jesus, come quickly!
 
As Catholics live by faith, the Sacrament of Penance or Reconciliation is obviously very important to them.

What is involved in the Sacrament of Penance? How often and when does the faithful Catholic embark upon the Sacrament of Penance?

Is the Sacrament of Penance only for Catholics? Why or why not?

May God bless you, Craig
 
Lief, this is an excellent response to the key events surrounding and encompassing the Second Coming of Christ. When this eschatology is comprehended it makes the godly person more dependent on Christ!

Come Lord Jesus, come quickly!
In post 101 I tried to “multi quote” Lief’s excellent response on eschatology.

I think any discerning person will see my comments merged into the body of Lief’s original quote. Woops! Sorry about that! I think you will still pick up the drift of my remarks, though.

I would be grateful, however, if someone could step and guide me through the process of multi quoting a passage. I did click on the multi quote function but it didn’t work.

Cheers, God bless Craig
 
As Catholics live by faith, the Marian doctrines, obviously, are very central and important.

Do Catholics believe that Mary was sinless? If so, how is this doctrine derived? Where in scripture does it teach this?

Who were Mary’s earthly parents?

God bless you, Craig
 
If two Protestant Christians are married in a Baptist Church, does the Catholic Church recognise their marriage as a Sacrament?
Why or why not?

What is the status of their marriage in the eyes of the Catholic Church?

May God bless you, Craig
 
It appears to me that High Church Anglicans who “reserve” the Sacrament and show due reverence to the blessed Sacrament, hold a position on the Eucharistic sacrifice very similar to the Catholic position.

Are these two positions similar? If not, where do they differ and why do they differ?

High Church Anglicans talk of the Real Presence of Christ in the blessed Sacrament; but is this the same doctrine that Catholics believe and which shapes their spirituality?

Is the Catholic position on the Real Presence unique?

God bless, Craig
 
Is there any particular version of the scriptures, including the Apocrypha, that Catholic Answers recommends?
There are many some being
The “American Catholic Bible”
I myself prefer the “Jerusalem Bible”. It is SOOOOO easy for a simple person to understand.

There are others to
Godbless
 
As Catholics live by faith, the Marian doctrines, obviously, are very central and important.

Do Catholics believe that Mary was sinless? If so, how is this doctrine derived? Where in scripture does it teach this?

Who were Mary’s earthly parents?

God bless you, Craig
Here are some scriptures suggesting Mary’s Immaculate Conception:
catholicapologetics.org/ap080400.htm

Here are my personal favorite typological, prophetic Scriptural references to the Immaculate Conception:
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0510fea5.asp

There is some dispute over what Mary’s name means, but what is considered the most probable Hebrew meaning actually is “beautiful,” or, “the perfect one.” Just as an interesting side-note :).

Here’s a link with information about St. Anne, Mary’s mother.

newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm
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Craig:
As Catholics live by faith, the Sacrament of Penance or Reconciliation is obviously very important to them.

What is involved in the Sacrament of Penance? How often and when does the faithful Catholic embark upon the Sacrament of Penance?

Is the Sacrament of Penance only for Catholics? Why or why not?

May God bless you, Craig
This Sacrament is only for Catholics, and the reason for this is pretty simple. Jesus gave a hierarchy of bishops the authority to forgive sins (John 20:23), and they passed that authority on to their successors and to priests who helped them in their labors. People who aren’t members of the Church don’t acknowledge their authority- else they would submit to their teachings. Since non-Catholics don’t acknowledge their authority, they cannot receive the Sacrament by the nature of their belief, for the authority they reject is the authority by which they forgive sins.

The Sacrament of Penance involves going to Confession (once a month is recommended, though more often is better, if there’s anything pressing). You Confess your sins to the priest in the Confessional, where you may be divided by a screen or barrier. Then you make a prayer out loud for forgiveness to God. Then the priest, representing the Church and our dear Lord, forgives you of your sins on behalf of God. He may very possibly also give us a Penance of some kind to practice as a spiritual discipline.

This is the perfect way of receiving forgiveness, which Jesus instituted in the New Testament. Nonverbal private requests for forgiveness can of course be granted, but this is the Lord’s way that He gave us, and He did so for many reasons.

Here are a lot of links to articles about Confession, including the Biblical basis for it and the reasons for its existence:
americancatholic.org/features/sacraments/reconciliation.asp

I’m resorting to links right now because you’re asking so many huge questions- it would take me loads of posts to answer them all! I think you’ll find these useful in answering the questions you just asked, though.

I don’t know the answer to your question about Baptist marriage.

I don’t know much about the High Church Anglican Eucharist, though from what I hear, their doctrine about the Real Presence is either the same or only slightly different from that of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. However, their Eucharist is not considered valid in the Catholic Church, as it is not initiated through the authority of priests with valid orders connected with the authority Christ instituted on Earth, the Church. It is disconnected from the Church, and Christ answers the prayers of His priests in miraculously turning bread and wine into flesh because of their office as authority figures representative of Christ to His Body. Those that sever themselves from that Body sever themselves from the office of authority He chose to release these special Sacramental graces through, and therefore they do not have or receive them in their fullness.

There is a reason why their doctrine of Real Presence can be so close (or the same) as the Catholic, even though the reality of their Eucharist is not the same as the Catholic. The reason is that High Church Anglicans are very traditionalist, and the Anglican Church was once all Catholic. Henry VIII created the Anglican Church because he wanted a divorce from his wife so he could marry someone who would give him an heir. The Pope wouldn’t grant him a divorce, so he had to resort to even darker tactics- such as shattering the Church of God.

When King Henry VIII made the break with Catholicism, he changed very little in church practice. Many High Church Anglicans, unless I’m mistaken (which certainly may be) still hold to a traditionalist belief system very close to Catholicism.

The Catholic Church’s dogma of the Real Presence was unique before Protestant sources copied it, one might say :p. That belief existed in Catholicism before it existed in Protestantism and is the reason why some Protestants hold to it too. The same is true for the Orthodox- they gained their belief in the Real Presence from their historical unity with the Catholic Church.
 
There are many some being
The “American Catholic Bible”
I myself prefer the “Jerusalem Bible”. It is SOOOOO easy for a simple person to understand.

There are others to
Godbless
Hi littleone,

Thanks for the references and I’ll check them out.

God bless, Craig
 
Here are some scriptures suggesting Mary’s Immaculate Conception:
catholicapologetics.org/ap080400.htm

Here are my personal favorite typological, prophetic Scriptural references to the Immaculate Conception:
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0510fea5.asp

There is some dispute over what Mary’s name means, but what is considered the most probable Hebrew meaning actually is “beautiful,” or, “the perfect one.” Just as an interesting side-note :).

Here’s a link with information about St. Anne, Mary’s mother.

newadvent.org/cathen/01538a.htm

This Sacrament is only for Catholics, and the reason for this is pretty simple. Jesus gave a hierarchy of bishops the authority to forgive sins (John 20:23), and they passed that authority on to their successors and to priests who helped them in their labors. People who aren’t members of the Church don’t acknowledge their authority- else they would submit to their teachings. Since non-Catholics don’t acknowledge their authority, they cannot receive the Sacrament by the nature of their belief, for the authority they reject is the authority by which they forgive sins.

The Sacrament of Penance involves going to Confession (once a month is recommended, though more often is better, if there’s anything pressing). You Confess your sins to the priest in the Confessional, where you may be divided by a screen or barrier. Then you make a prayer out loud for forgiveness to God. Then the priest, representing the Church and our dear Lord, forgives you of your sins on behalf of God. He may very possibly also give us a Penance of some kind to practice as a spiritual discipline.

This is the perfect way of receiving forgiveness, which Jesus instituted in the New Testament. Nonverbal private requests for forgiveness can of course be granted, but this is the Lord’s way that He gave us, and He did so for many reasons.

Here are a lot of links to articles about Confession, including the Biblical basis for it and the reasons for its existence:
americancatholic.org/features/sacraments/reconciliation.asp

I’m resorting to links right now because you’re asking so many huge questions- it would take me loads of posts to answer them all! I think you’ll find these useful in answering the questions you just asked, though.

I don’t know the answer to your question about Baptist marriage.

I don’t know much about the High Church Anglican Eucharist, though from what I hear, their doctrine about the Real Presence is either the same or only slightly different from that of the Catholic and Orthodox churches. However, their Eucharist is not considered valid in the Catholic Church, as it is not initiated through the authority of priests with valid orders connected with the authority Christ instituted on Earth, the Church. It is disconnected from the Church, and Christ answers the prayers of His priests in miraculously turning bread and wine into flesh because of their office as authority figures representative of Christ to His Body. Those that sever themselves from that Body sever themselves from the office of authority He chose to release these special Sacramental graces through, and therefore they do not have or receive them in their fullness.

There is a reason why their doctrine of Real Presence can be so close (or the same) as the Catholic, even though the reality of their Eucharist is not the same as the Catholic. The reason is that High Church Anglicans are very traditionalist, and the Anglican Church was once all Catholic. Henry VIII created the Anglican Church because he wanted a divorce from his wife so he could marry someone who would give him an heir. The Pope wouldn’t grant him a divorce, so he had to resort to even darker tactics- such as shattering the Church of God.

When King Henry VIII made the break with Catholicism, he changed very little in church practice. Many High Church Anglicans, unless I’m mistaken (which certainly may be) still hold to a traditionalist belief system very close to Catholicism.

The Catholic Church’s dogma of the Real Presence was unique before Protestant sources copied it, one might say :p. That belief existed in Catholicism before it existed in Protestantism and is the reason why some Protestants hold to it too. The same is true for the Orthodox- they gained their belief in the Real Presence from their historical unity with the Catholic Church.
Hi Lief,

Once again, I’m indebted to you for your excellent and full reply.

Please be assured I deeply appreciate the time, effort and thought that you put into your replies. I am following through with the links and references you supply.

I am sure you will understand I have a lot of reading and study to do. The Lord has blessed me with a studious mind and a retentive memory, but I still need to actually do the reading so that I can make mature and informed judgments. At this time, I cannot pronounce final opinions on some of these issues for the reasons I have explained.

I am taking this slowly and carefully and I feel certain you will understand.

I have work and family committments; so sometimes if I appear to be slow in responding don’t despair.

I will keep asking questions on this basis.

God bless you, Craig
 
Faith, have to have faith and hope. Thanking God for the good Samaritans in my life. Praying to someday have the chance to be one myself.
 
Hi, My response to you that in order to live by the faith in the Catholic Religion is very very hard. It is to be like Christ himself. To Love someone when they hate you, to pray and ask God for his Grace everyday to do the right thing, Its like we can talk the talk but now to walk the walk, thats hard.

But the most important this to do imo is to Love Everyone and treat them the way you would want them to treat you. Kind of easy huh, but why is it not ALWAYS so easy to do?
 
That’s why I’m not going to attempt bill collections again, that’s not customer service by any stretch of the imagination. That’s why I’m not resorting to the old me who wanted to fight tooth and nail. Attempted to be a blessing but still fell short. But I know these are times I need to be thankful for because they ARE teaching me to die to self and let more of Jesus show through me. I have so long to go, it’s as if I’m starting over on so many things but I know I must have faith and persevere. If my cheek is struck, offer the other. And keep praying. Be thankful for the lessons, even the ones that hurt because they are teaching me. 🙂
 
That’s why I’m not going to attempt bill collections again, that’s not customer service by any stretch of the imagination. That’s why I’m not resorting to the old me who wanted to fight tooth and nail. Attempted to be a blessing but still fell short. But I know these are times I need to be thankful for because they ARE teaching me to die to self and let more of Jesus show through me. I have so long to go, it’s as if I’m starting over on so many things but I know I must have faith and persevere. If my cheek is struck, offer the other. And keep praying. Be thankful for the lessons, even the ones that hurt because they are teaching me. 🙂
Isn’t that the truth Roza, and isnt it funny when you do resort to tooth and nail you are not only hated you hate yourself. Because in the end it only breeds anger for everyone. Then you go home, you are angry, you makes those around you angry and for what?

But here is the one that BLOWS MY MIND, where you are nice to someone, and you help them, you are getting nothing in return on the outside, OH but on the inside PRICELESS, To see someones face in need, and to know I MADE THEM FEEL BETTER, because lets face it you could have made them feel worse, but that feeling inside when you know I Did what God asked of me. There is no money in this world to replace that joy. Isnt that just like God to ask us to do it his way, and then instead of getting the benefits turns around and gives them to us in tens. Because when you dont expect it, it is soooooooooo wonderful!
 
Isn’t that the truth Roza, and isnt it funny when you do resort to tooth and nail you are not only hated you hate yourself. Because in the end it only breeds anger for everyone. Then you go home, you are angry, you makes those around you angry and for what?

But here is the one that BLOWS MY MIND, where you are nice to someone, and you help them, you are getting nothing in return on the outside, OH but on the inside PRICELESS, To see someones face in need, and to know I MADE THEM FEEL BETTER, because lets face it you could have made them feel worse, but that feeling inside when you know I Did what God asked of me. There is no money in this world to replace that joy. Isnt that just like God to ask us to do it his way, and then instead of getting the benefits turns around and gives them to us in tens. Because when you dont expect it, it is soooooooooo wonderful!
Beautifully put :). That’s such an incredible truth. It’s completely counter-intuitive, yet utterly wonderful.

Glory be to God!
 
Faith, have to have faith and hope. Thanking God for the good Samaritans in my life. Praying to someday have the chance to be one myself.
Thanks Roza,

Yes, thanks for drawing attention to the other aspect of living by faith for a Catholic.

When I opened this thread up for discussion, I was acutely aware that the “Good Samaritan” aspect of faith is an integral part of Catholic spirituality. I think Catholics excel in helping the poor and working with the disadvantaged.

I was not ignoring this aspect, as I hoped to get to this aspect sooner or later. Your post is timely; viz: that good works are just as important as correct doctrine.

I admit I was exploring some doctrinal matters with Lief; which need, I must admit, further study and reflection. There are nuances of meaning here and different theological emphases.

Your post reminds us all that to live by faith for a Catholic involves:
  1. The rules of the Church, the precepts and theological dogmas.
We, so far, have spent more time on this aspect.
  1. The practical sphere of service, good works and helping people.
You have introduced, in very timely fashion I must add, the “Good Samaritan” aspect of living by faith for a Catholic.

Thank you for your words. I have been blessed by them.

God bless you, Craig
 
Hi, My response to you that in order to live by the faith in the Catholic Religion is very very hard. It is to be like Christ himself. To Love someone when they hate you, to pray and ask God for his Grace everyday to do the right thing, Its like we can talk the talk but now to walk the walk, thats hard.

But the most important this to do imo is to Love Everyone and treat them the way you would want them to treat you. Kind of easy huh, but why is it not ALWAYS so easy to do?
Hi rinnie,

I agree that to follow Christ is very, very hard.

I want to say, though, that some of the best exponents of following Christ that I saw as a youngster growing up were Catholics who practised their faith.

I played rugby and cricket at High School and we would often play against Catholic schools. I was often impressed by the kindness, love and compassion shown by Catholics associated with these teams ie teachers, priests etc.

This is intended as a compliment to Catholics who take seriously the need to live by faith and produce good works.

I also like your words:

“But the most important this to do imo is to Love Everyone and treat them the way you would want them to treat you. Kind of easy huh, but why is it not ALWAYS so easy to do?”

I agree - this is what we should do but it is not always so easy.

God bless, Craig
 
That’s why I’m not going to attempt bill collections again, that’s not customer service by any stretch of the imagination. That’s why I’m not resorting to the old me who wanted to fight tooth and nail. Attempted to be a blessing but still fell short. But I know these are times I need to be thankful for because they ARE teaching me to die to self and let more of Jesus show through me. I have so long to go, it’s as if I’m starting over on so many things but I know I must have faith and persevere. If my cheek is struck, offer the other. And keep praying. Be thankful for the lessons, even the ones that hurt because they are teaching me. 🙂
Hi Roza,

I like your post - a gentle and loving challenge for us to take up our crosses in daily life and follow Christ.

It is hard to die to self and to let Jesus’ love shine through us.

May God bless you, Craig
 
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