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latisha1903
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Andrew Larkoski:
again, i’ve stated my stance…you can’t expect someone to just say oh ya know…you’re right…i don’t think you even inquire anything beyond your beliefs…i’ve provided information…and from what you’ve ‘dissected’ it still does not satisfy me to change my beliefs…because still when i read the scripture it says the same…that peter is not the rock…you say he is…ok so now what…i’m confident with i have an you seem to be confident with yours…and what more do you want to come out of that…provide scripture all day…you will still refute it…so our understandings are completly different…just leave it at that…no point of arguing…because i’m sticking behind mines…you can say i don’t want to seek or hear the Truth…but that can go both ways…but of course you’ll never see it that way…because your only looking from your view…anyways good daylatisha1903:
from TheBible.net
“In Matthew 16:18 Jesus said to Simon Peter, “And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” From this passage it is very obvious that Christ is the builder or founder of the New Testament church and that he calls this church his church. Any church founded by someone other than Christ is not Christ’s church. David, in the Old Testament, announced a great truth when he said, “Except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it” (Psalm 127:1). In the New Testament we learn that the “house of God is the church of the living God” (1 Timothy 3:15). If the Lord did not build the house (church) those who did build it labored in vain. Jesus declared, “Every plant which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up” (Matthew 15:13). No one should be a member of any spiritual household, religious plant, or church which man was responsible for starting. One should be a member of the church Christ established!”
Read Matt. 16:18 a bit more carefully. Peter DOES NOT say “I will build a church on ME.” Christ says “Thou art Peter, and upon THIS ROCK I will build MY church.” Christ built HIS CHURCH on the weak human Simon Peter. (He also gave Peter the power to bind and loose and gave him the keys to the kingdom of heaven. These powers that Christ gives to Peter make no sense if Christ builds His church on a confession and not on a human who can pass down Christ’s teachings.) Why? Because Christ is God and knows more than we do, and because, as Christ states later in the passage “From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised.” For now it can be understood that for Christ’s Church to survive, it must be handed down through the apostles who will "make disciples of all nations . . . "
I read the following paragraph from The Church Was Founded By Jesus And On Him, and this argument is easily refuted with the changing of Simon’s name to Peter, which, in Aramaic, is, itself “Rock”, and thus the rock that Christ refers to is not Peter’s confession of Christ. By the way, does anyone know when this theory that the rock upon which Christ will build His Church on was Peter’s confession began?