To set the Record straight Catholics do not worship Mary!

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Tantum_ergo said:
There you go, boys and girls --one of the very first reformers believed that one could go to Mary in prayer and that (just as Catholics believe) God could answer through Mary, His being the grace but she the conduit.

And Luther also believed that Mary was ever Virgin.

And --worse and worse–😃 he didn’t have any problems with statues, or Marian feast days.
Hmmm. But yet many of the ECFs had many problems with the Marian dogmas.
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But we weren’t talking of the ECFs, were we? And exactly what ‘problems’ did ‘many of them’ have --if you’re willing to open a separate thread I’m sure we’d be willing to address it. . .

And perhaps you didn’t read post 811 (from Hisalone who said, specifically, that 'veneration and worship are what call a distinction without a difference) so at least some of the Protestants on this thread do have trouble. . .and they would be the ones I’d be addressing. No offense, you know.
 
Napsack said:
Oh no, they do not venerate Mary in the same capacity or fervor that you do and its obvious and evident by what they do not profess about Mary that Catholics do.
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You simply astound me with your pedantic proofs of your abject lack of knowledge… Perhaps you would like to google the following words: Orthodox Christians and The Virgin Mary and check out the responses. Then insert the word Theology after “Christians” and check out the responses like this one: orthodoxresearchinstitute.org/articles/dogmatics/dmitri_veneration_mary.htm

You really should spend more time learning about things and making statements that you cannot support.
The Eastern Orthodox church won’t recognize the Eucharist in the Catholic church as being valid and will not allow Catholics to receive at their church. Same goes for other churches such as WELS Lutherans. They will not allow Catholics to receive either.
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Another poster has already “squared you away” on the issue of the Eucharist, so I won’t repeat it.

As for using WELS for an example…I am tempted to ask if you have any knowledge of their theology. Are you aware that a tenet of their faith, in difference to the bulk of Lutherans, is that the papacy is the anti-christ? But they do believe in “works” and make the writings of James a part of their “beliefs”. Interesting, eh?
 
Napsack said:
Where did you come up with that? I’m sure it came from one of the many Catholic biased books or one of the raving converts, but which one?
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Gee, thats almost as good a comeback as “Did Not”. :rotfl:
 
Tantum_ergo said:
There you go, boys and girls --one of the very first reformers believed that one could go to Mary in prayer and that (just as Catholics believe) God could answer through Mary, His being the grace but she the conduit.

And Luther also believed that Mary was ever Virgin.

And --worse and worse–😃 he didn’t have any problems with statues, or Marian feast days.

Oh my oh my oh my.

It looks as though one of the leading Protestant lights, one of the original founders, had absolutely no problem whatsoever understanding the difference between veneration of a saint and worship of God.

:eek:
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So can I quote you in the future that Luther is one of the leading lights?
 
Hisalone said:
Please show where the apostles “venerated” Mary.
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I suppose you forgot the part where St. John at the foot of the cross honors and venerates Mary by being her son and taking her under his care for the rest of her life - just as JESUS COMMANDED???

Give it up guy and start honoring your mother and calling Mary blessed as we are told in scripture we must!

James
 
Well, His, you said that ‘veneration and worship were a distinction without a difference’.

I simply pointed out that Martin Luther, one of the first and foremost of the reformers, obviously had no difficulty seeing, and practicing, a distinction between the two. So why is it that his thoughts, words and actions on this subject (Mary) are ignored?
 
Tantum_ergo said:
So why is it that his thoughts, words and actions on this subject (Mary) are ignored?
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By ignoring Luther’s views on Mary, I suspect that their problem is not with the veneration of Mary but with Catholics.

You shouldn’t expect prejudice to show much, if any, reason.

God bless
 
pete_29 said:
So.🤷
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So: Something of this magnitude of importance to Catholics isn’t mentioned once in Scripture and that’s not alarming to you? That says alot about what you think (or don’t) of Scripture. I suppose you say “so” to the fact that Paul’s letters and the rest of Scripture for that matter is completely silent on Peter being the first pope in Rome and him being martyred there.
 
CentralFLJames said:
I suppose you forgot the part where St. John at the foot of the cross honors and venerates Mary by being her son and taking her under his care for the rest of her life - just as JESUS COMMANDED???

Give it up guy and start honoring your mother and calling Mary blessed as we are told in scripture we must!

James
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He didn’t forget it I’m sure. He just didn’t completely take it out of context and twist and contort it to mean what he wanted it to mean, that’s all.🙂
 
Napsack said:
So: Something of this magnitude of importance to Catholics isn’t mentioned once in Scripture and that’s not alarming to you? That says alot about what you think (or don’t) of Scripture. I suppose you say “so” to the fact that Paul’s letters and the rest of Scripture for that matter is completely silent on Peter being the first pope in Rome and him being martyred there.
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As i recall the Trinity wasn’t mentioned either. To most Christians thats important.🤷
 
pete_29 said:
As i recall the Trinity wasn’t mentioned either. To most Christians thats important.🤷
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Me as well and i can show you dozens of Scripture passages that prove the trinity, can you show me just one that says anything about the Roman Catholic church?😊
 
Hisalone said:
So can I quote you in the future that Luther is one of the leading lights?
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Sure, why not…as long as you make sure ahead of time that you are not about to step into a trap of your own making.

I have often as a Catholic used the writings of Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and a couple of others to prove that those who disagree with Catholics on certain subjects are wrong, and that they have little or no knowledge of what they speak…😃
 
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