To the Muslim women - question.

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You are not very intelligent are you? :confused:

According to Muhammad you are not.
So how does this make you feel?

answering-islam.org/Autho…ton/women.html

Read the link…
Men’s Superiority
Women’s Deficiencies
What is a Woman?
Husband’s Rights
Woman’s Rights
Man’s Prerogatives
The Significance of the Marriage Contract
The Significance of the Dowry
Spiritual Standing of Women
Conclusion

The woman’s deficiencies are enough to set any human being on edge if it was said about them. Not to mention how he generalizes all women under this standard.

Many superiorly intelligent women with very high iq’s can out think and out maneuver men.

So - either Muhammad wanted to insult and manipulate women to be subjective to his lustful whims and not bother treating them like humans [too selfish as he was] - or he was false in his teachings because there have been women who out smart men.
IF a Prophet from God were to be given this information to spread and use - one would think God would proove them right all the time.

AND YET - God in His Superior Intellect created very intelligent women. Science majors, mathematicians, and a great number of other’s in fields of expertise.

So, I ask again - are you not very intelligent?

Read the passages i linked - if you think you are. Your prophet thinks you are not.

HOW anyone could say a woman is not very intelligent because God made it so a woman could forget childbirth is really insulting God for creating a woman that way. Saying By giving her this gift of grace to help her get thru the whole childbirth - His gift was insulting on the woman.

Its really unimaginable to insinuate God would do this as proof that woman aren’t intelligent.
Actually - God made it so man forgets pain too. Does that mean men are stupid?

No ONE holds on to the intense knowledge of pain once it subsides. No one.
 
And while we are on the subject…

I have another question.

IF a bull is incited to attack the color red flag, and it causes him to get angry and charge - is it the bull’s fault it has anger or is it the flag’s fault for being red and the dumb beast cannot control himself?

Obviously God created women to be ‘beautiful’ so it would appeal to man. There is nothing wrong with being attractive. Its another story altogether to being immodest.

But anyway - not to digress… God gives women their features to attract a mate. Because it is love the reason why we must marry. So in order for a man to want to marry a woman, he should find her attractive. Its not a sin to be attractive. It is a sin to suggest women are the cause of lust when it the man who should have control over himself at all times.

Men of all nations see women all the time, and are not slobbering over them. PLUS beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

So covering all women because the men cannot maintain self control is like saying it’s the flag’s fault for being red and angering the bull.
When it is in fact the bull’s option to restrain itself [temperment depending - because not all bull’s will attack]
And if the bull is unable to resist - then it is an uncontrollable beast - wouldn’t you say?
 
I see you got no bites from any muslims concerning this topic. It doesn’t surprise me. There have been threads about muslim women being beaten, clitoral circumscision, and honor killings and the ones on this forum are in complete denial about it all. It is the usual ‘muslim excuse’ from them - it is a cultural thing. When it really is not - it is a very real ‘ISLAMIC’ thing.

And they also think that all of this means they are elevated. Well, it is just more denial. I could show a pic of a muslim woman swinging from a gallow, but I won’t. Or one being beaten in public. Or be glad that we don’t get shoved to the front of the crowd to view a beheading, or stoning, of one of them because they didn’t have 4 witnesses to her rape. Yes, that is what they do in Saudi Arabia. A worker mate told me of what happened to him in Saudi Arabia.
 
Every false religion is tied to something earthly: culture, family, power, movement, etc. The true religion cannot be tied to any one of those things, because the truth is not tied to them.
 
Agabriel said:
I see you got no bites from any muslims concerning this topic. It doesn’t surprise me. There have been threads about muslim women being beaten, clitoral circumscision, and honor killings and the ones on this forum are in complete denial about it all. It is the usual ‘muslim excuse’ from them - it is a cultural thing. When it really is not - it is a very real ‘ISLAMIC’ thing.

And they also think that all of this means they are elevated. Well, it is just more denial. I could show a pic of a muslim woman swinging from a gallow, but I won’t. Or one being beaten in public. Or be glad that we don’t get shoved to the front of the crowd to view a beheading, or stoning, of one of them because they didn’t have 4 witnesses to her rape. Yes, that is what they do in Saudi Arabia. A worker mate told me of what happened to him in Saudi Arabia.
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I find that very sad and disturbing.

And maybe an Islamic woman isn’t very bright since they refuse to leave this barabric cult. And yet defend it.
How does anyone defend the indefensible?

I think they should grow a brain and leave.

IF every woman left Islam - there would be no more Islam.
Because the males cannot self populate.

AND then let’s see how ‘superior they are’ without their ‘animal’ to mate with.

Unbelievable - i read [in that link] that they think women are akin to animals and that God made them look human so men wouldnt be repulsed by them…so they would mate. [unfreakin believable]

Frankly, that religion is very devoid of charity. If anything it is satanic at best.
 
I agree with the OP, but find the tone of the post to be disturbing.

Having said that, I too am curious about how a female convert rationalises that particular ahadith.
 
algebra said:
I agree with the OP, but find the tone of the post to be disturbing.

Having said that, I too am curious about how a female convert rationalises that particular ahadith.
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Here is one testimony of an ex-convert faithfreedom.org/2009/03/13/islams-false-sensefeeling-of-peace-in-intellectual-numbness/

Women will do anything for love and that includes marrying a muslim man. I know, I have been there myself (although did not marry him). They are VERY charming especially to Christian girls - we seem to be the ultimate challenge to convert. It has now been 6 months since I last saw him yet he still texts and emails me. Fortunately, my faith in Christ is strong and I would never turn my back on Jesus.

Forum comments forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=6d9df806ea030584da369663df47671b

This one is scary faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52374

Please Muslims wake up and see the truth about Islam!
 
If nothing else - i believe the Islamic women are much more than Islam credits them for.
God didn’t make them pretty animals… HE made them equal in His eyes.
He died [Jesus] for everyone.

The Catholic Church treats women for what they are - cherished living Saints whom God calls all the time to ‘teach’ their children, to teach them about Him.
They are the first teachers - who give us the priests.
Women are one of the most powerful believers of the Lord because their hearts are close to Him.
Women can easily feel love and so this is the prized possession of God…love.

Thank you Charlotte.

I just don’t understand why women don’t wake up and leave Islam.

What’s going to happen?
Their men will kill them? Then what? The women have power to come to the Lord thru Christ. Who was here and His witnesses testified to His death, His Resurrection and His teachings.
Muhammad did not. He was a story teller who made everything seem wonderful for the children of Ismael who admittedly were hurt for their abandonment. For their not being the choosen seed for whom humanity would be saved.

Muhammad knew that. And he also knew how he himself lusted after women - which Jesus said - if anyone even lusts they ahve sinned.
But because Muahmmad was perverted after many women [and Jesus said only one wife ever] and that he went after children - he was a deranged man who gained an audience and grew powerful and usurped the equality all women share for the reward in Heaven.
[Has to be better to be a martyr for God than a slave to any human man]
 
algebra said:
I agree with the OP, but find the tone of the post to be disturbing.

Having said that, I too am curious about how a female convert rationalises that particular ahadith.
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Then the effect i was working for hit the spot.

Islamic treatment of women is disturbing.

I just phrased it the way it is.
This is exactly what the men of Islam think of women.

Not intelligent and unable to be religious.
Basically calling them like children or animals.

Possessions and nothing more.
I mean, that has got to hurt.

But they accept it. That’s what I dont understand.

My message hits them the way the reality is - Muhammad said they are not intelligent.

I was just repeating him verbatim.

IT comes from me a great deal harsher, but it’s the same exact sentiment only because i am not the prophet they thot he was.
 
WarriorAngel said:
If nothing else - i believe the Islamic women are much more than Islam credits them for.
God didn’t make them pretty animals… HE made them equal in His eyes.
He died [Jesus] for everyone.

The Catholic Church treats women for what they are - cherished living Saints whom God calls all the time to ‘teach’ their children, to teach them about Him.
They are the first teachers - who give us the priests.
Women are one of the most powerful believers of the Lord because their hearts are close to Him.
Women can easily feel love and so this is the prized possession of God…love.

Thank you Charlotte.

I just don’t understand why women don’t wake up and leave Islam.

What’s going to happen?
Their men will kill them? Then what? The women have power to come to the Lord thru Christ. Who was here and His witnesses testified to His death, His Resurrection and His teachings.
Muhammad did not. He was a story teller who made everything seem wonderful for the children of Ismael who admittedly were hurt for their abandonment. For their not being the choosen seed for whom humanity would be saved.

Muhammad knew that. And he also knew how he himself lusted after women - which Jesus said - if anyone even lusts they ahve sinned.
But because Muahmmad was perverted after many women [and Jesus said only one wife ever] and that he went after children - he was a deranged man who gained an audience and grew powerful and usurped the equality all women share for the reward in Heaven.
[Has to be better to be a martyr for God than a slave to any human man]
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I liked your post.

I also don’t think the ‘tenor’ of this thread to be bad. What we should be more concerned with is that the tenor of how women are treated in islam is bad. but, the way they put this aura on bad things to make it holy or good, is what they do in reality. I read the threads that Charlotte2008 posted - and that is what we should be bothered by - that people are so easily led into this evil cult - this is what islam is all about.

Instead I don’t see a very strong support coming from the Church to help our own so they don’t fall into these traps. I read mixed messages all the time. I read individuals who have a clear sense of what islam is all about and then others who tell me that I am sinning because I know this and then the quote some dead Pope’s remarks, or the catechism, which confuses the issue even more so and makes people susceptible to evil in their life. That is not helpful at all!

As for our own schools (public) I see a whole system bowing down to islam and shoveling out fairy tales about mohammed and islam’s violent jihads.

It is not a sin to know evil - and if that evil comes from a religion - then that is what it is. I have had no control over that fact. But, I will not raise allah to any level other than the moon that revolves around this earth, and I will not raise mohammed to anything other than a rotted corpse and a lot of dust whose soul was in God’s hands a long time ago. What God did with mohammed is in His Hands - not mine. And mohammed’s 72 virgins? Well, I bet there are some little, devilettes that are ‘having at’ him! But, that is only my opinion and who really knows what happened to mohammed’s soul.

And God warned us in the OT to not worship the sun, moon and the other things in the sky - several times in fact. And yes, that is what allah is with a LOT of mohammed’s own ego into its personality.
  • Deut. 4:19 And when you look up to the heavens and behold the sun or the moon or any star among the heavenly hosts, do not be led astray into adoring them and serving hem. These the Lord, your God has let fall to the lot of all other nations under the heavens.
  • Deut. 17:3 …by serving other gods, or by worshiping the sun or the moon or any of he host of the sky, against my command.
  • II Kngs. 21:3,5; II Kngs. 23:5; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; Zeph. 1:5
 
I think Muhammad pirated alot of the Bible, and then he blended the parts in that he liked to make a new religion that sort of blended the OT with the NT.

Completely disreagarding the actual messages of Jesus…because Muhammad breaks every law Jesus gave.
Incredibly - every single law was broken by Muhammad.

I try to abstain with all my heart of where i think he ended up.

But Jesus said quite clearly - without room for interpretation - that in Heaven there would be NO marrying or giving of marrying. IE - there will not be any sex.

But in order to get those 72 virgins - maybe this is the real purpose behind honor killings. Kill them while they are innocent and hope their in Heaven?
O wait, to be stoned to death is to go to hell.
How cruel and judgemental that religion is.

I read what Charlotte said. I am sorry she doesn’t understand Catholicism. Altho Muhammad tried his best to emmulate it with alot of quirks all his own [twisted].

God Bless you Charlotte, and again thank you.

911 woke me up to what Islam is capable of. And so ‘you read’ and read. And the more you discover the odder that faith gets.
How about the part where ‘AlmostAisha’ 😉 says Muhammad put in the quran about the visiting hours.
Like as IF God cares what time ppl end socializing.

That just shows how he gleaned some sort of power trip and control he had of the entire community.
All in all, in the end - i dont think Muhammad believed in God - so much as he believed in using God to gain.
Then again - he would have seizures …which from what i know of, if you receive a ‘message’ while seizuring…then the chances are pretty good that it’s not God you are talking to.

To speak to an Angel or any Heavenly entity fills a person with a rapturous countenance that makes them glow and smile and they feel NO pain.
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful


WarriorAngel said:
You are not very intelligent are you? :confused:

answering-islam.org/Autho…ton/women.html
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It’s enough for me to know that God will give me best rewards if I worship Him alone & stay away from the major sins. Does not matter if I am intelligent or not , God won’t deprive me just because I am a woman.

Pl. don’t quote anything from a hateful site . The so-called followers of Jesus (pbuh) are spreading lies & hatred there . Sometimes they write total lies ,sometimes they mix some truth with falsehood. To know about Islam , Pl. browse Islamic sites or ask Muslims. Thanks.

related link:

The Status of Women

Alexandra - France

I am a woman who respects myself and gives importance to self-dignity. I read some good things about Islam. But I heard Islam is very discriminative when it comes to women. That is, this religion respects only men and considers women as only second standard citizens. Why is that??

Ans is given by our revert brother ( ex Christian) Yusuf Estes :…Qur’an, in addressing the believers, often uses the expression ‘believing men and women’ to emphasize the equality of men and women in regard to their respective duties, rights, virtues and merits.

It says:

O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good.

Surah 4 Verse 19

For Muslim men and women,- for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in Charity, for men and women who fast (and deny themselves), for** men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God’s praise,- for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward.**

Surah 33 Verse 35

*This clearly contradicts the assertion of some the Christian Fathers that women do not possess souls and that they will exist as sexless beings in the next life! The Qur’an says that women have souls in exactly the same way as men and will enter Paradise if they simply do good: *

Whoever works righteousness, man or woman, and has Faith, verily, to him will We give a new Life, a life that is good and pure and We will bestow on such their reward according to the best of their actions.
Surah 16 Verse 97

Woman, before and after Islam

As a matter of fact, before the advent of Islam, women were often treated worse than animals! Pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka’ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure – possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur’an were revolutionary

Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul.

O mankind! revere your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single soul, created, of like nature, its mate, and from the two, scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- revere God, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), and (revere) the wombs (That bore you): for God ever watches over you.

Surah 4 Verse 1

Islam does not consider woman “an instrument of the devil”, but rather the Qur’an calls her muhsana, a fortress against Satan. This is because a good woman, by marrying a man, helps him keep to the path of rectitude in his life. It is for this reason that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) considered marriage as a most virtuous act.

The Qur’an has given the raison d’etre of marriage in the following words:
And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.

Surah 30 Verse 21

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) always praised virtuous and chaste women. He said:

‘The world and all things in the world are precious, but the most precious thing in the world is a virtuous woman.’

full ans here :

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996015618
 
Agabriel said:
I see you got no bites from any muslims concerning this topic. It doesn’t surprise me. There have been threads about muslim women being beaten, clitoral circumscision, and honor killings and the ones on this forum are in complete denial about it all. It is the usual ‘muslim excuse’ from them - it is a cultural thing. When it really is not - it is a very real ‘ISLAMIC’ thing.
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Algabriel, you are in a hurry, too impatient. You want replies within minutes. A large number of absolutely false allegations have been imposed on the Muslims here. They need time to reply. I am sure you will get some good replies soon. I am sure that the western woman, specially the Catholic woman are not happy at all with their life.
And they also think that all of this means they are elevated. Well, it is just more denial. I could show a pic of a muslim woman swinging from a gallow, but I won’t. Or one being beaten in public. Or be glad that we don’t get shoved to the front of the crowd to view a beheading, or stoning, of one of them because they didn’t have 4 witnesses to her rape. Yes, that is what they do in Saudi Arabia. A worker mate told me of what happened to him in Saudi Arabia.
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**No denials. Such beating happen in every nation. I have yet to see the entire malafide post. I have known many christian women weeping because their husband came home late drunk and beat them up for no cause. The filth that you have in your society is beyond your control. You have no cure for your ills.

I will examine the allegations. I hope Sis Amy and Muslim Woman will be enough to reply to you. Most of your complaints / accusations will be unfounded, extracted from the Hadith or from a bad translation of the Quran. You hardly have anything good in your bible about Woman. We only see one sentence “So that man and woman be One.” Is that all you have?**
 
WarriorAngel said:
I find that very sad and disturbing.

And maybe an Islamic woman isn’t very bright since they refuse to leave this barabric cult. And yet defend it.
How does anyone defend the indefensible?

I think they should grow a brain and leave.

IF every woman left Islam - there would be no more Islam.
Because the males cannot self populate.

AND then let’s see how ‘superior they are’ without their ‘animal’ to mate with.

Unbelievable - i read [in that link] that they think women are akin to animals and that God made them look human so men wouldnt be repulsed by them…so they would mate. [unfreakin believable]

Frankly, that religion is very devoid of charity. If anything it is satanic at best.
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Warrior Anger, you are calling Islam barbaric. Very bad. You should look to your own house of sinful people, all sinners, sinning day and night. Then in the morning, the women go to the church window to confess their sins. We will come back to you soon.
 
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