To the skeptics: what evidence would convince you?

[Black_Rose]

What would convince the atheists and agnostics that God exists? Is there any evidence that would convince people that a God exists Furthermore, for the converts what evidence convinced you that a general God exists (or even your specific deity such as the triune Christian God for most people here.) I am not sure anyone who was born Catholic was convinced by any evidence because most of their “proofs” seem to be developed post hoc to justify their religion after they acquire it.

 

[prodigalson12]

They are deaf and blinded. No evidence at all will ever be good enough. I know, it’s sad, but that’s simply the way it is.

 

[lemondiesel]

There is no proof. Science can not disprove God no more than God can disprove science. Until God’s coming there will be no evidence of his existence, the only evidence we see is what humans interpret.

You have to understand, many of us atheist believe to be a truly religious person you have to get rid of your rational thinking and your morals (depending on how one lives)

Remember, if God gave us hard evidence of his existence he would be forcing everyone to believe.

 

[prodigalson12]

There is no proof. Science can not disprove God no more than God can disprove science. Until God’s coming there will be no evidence of his existence, the only evidence we see is what humans interpret.

You have to understand, many of us atheist believe to be a truly religious person you have to get rid of your rational thinking and your morals (depending on how one lives)

Remember, if God gave us hard evidence of his existence he would be forcing everyone to believe.

He already came down to us, Jesus is one example…so he should come down like every 20 years for you guys?

 

[lemondiesel]

He already came down to us, Jesus is one example…so he should come down like every 20 years for you guys?

hilarious my brother. Jesus came to Earth so God could ultimately go through the same temptations as humans go through. This would make him realize we are a flawed species. Jesus saved us because he was without sin, meaning he was the perfect sacrifice.

We don’t need him to come down and prove his existence. Our goal is to find him through knowledge.

 

[prodigalson12]

hilarious my brother. Jesus came to Earth so God could ultimately go through the same temptations as humans go through. This would make him realize we are a flawed species. Jesus saved us be was without sin, meaning he was the perfect sacrifice.

We don’t need him to come down and prove his existence. Our goal is to find him through knowledge.

We aren’t related to even the same species, that’s what it comes down to, do not call me brother, it’s an insult here…I know, sounds harsh, but it’s the truth and no negative connotations at all conveyed, the facts are the facts.

God is here showing himself to many, many of us recognizing it, he’s here all the time, everywhere. 20 years won’t be enough for some people, 20 seconds won’t be enough for them as well, the same as shining a spot light onto a blind persons eyes and expecting them to see a flash or two, it never will happen.

 

[Black_Rose]

We aren’t related to even the same species, that’s what it comes down to, do not call me brother, it’s an insult here…I know, sounds harsh, but it’s the truth and no negative connotations at all conveyed, the facts are the facts.

God is here showing himself to many, many of us recognizing it, he’s here all the time, everywhere. 20 years won’t be enough for some people, 20 seconds won’t be enough for them as well, the same as shining a spot light onto a blind persons eyes and expecting them to see a flash or two, it never will happen.

Well, you two are “related”, of course, depending on how one wants to define the term. It is commonly known the all Homo sapiens share a common ancestor 150,000 years ago (mitochondrial Eve), but enough with my caviling.

 

[lemondiesel]

We aren’t related to even the same species, that’s what it comes down to, do not call me brother, it’s an insult here…I know, sounds harsh, but it’s the truth and no negative connotations at all conveyed, the facts are the facts.

God is here showing himself to many, many of us recognizing it, he’s here all the time, everywhere. 20 years won’t be enough for some people, 20 seconds won’t be enough for them as well, the same as shining a spot light onto a blind persons eyes and expecting them to see a flash or two, it never will happen.

Could you explain what you mean we are not related to even the same species. I think your saying humans are not related to God? If so (haha) Jesus was all man and all God. Which means he was 100% human with all the same main genes any other homosapien had at the time.

We think logically. How can anyone say God did not think logically? 1 of the 7 hard to grasp concepts of God is understanding that God is not understandable.

 

[USMCatholic]

We think logically. How can anyone say God did not think logically? 1 of the 7 hard to grasp concepts of God is understanding that God is not understandable.

A question for clarification: are you saying that this is a mark against the notion of the existence of God? Or that if He does indeed exist, this is something that must be true that it would be hard for most people to accept?

 

[s4angel]

God is God is God!

It does not take you believing in him to make him real, what part of that did you not get? He is who he is, He is the I am! He is the beginning and the end.

What part of one day being like a few million years to you. He is time, there for time (AS WE KNOW IT) does not exist.

I am sure there are apes that kind of resemble us in the skeleton ( look at the modern day apes) Shorter stature of man? well, come on now did you not think as his children he would not build us to adapt? Maby we did look something like apes but then again why are there still apes? why did we not all evolve? certainly we all adapted?. Oh, ya, the Gene factor. somehow with no forthought we just miraculously adapt into humans? while our brothers stay apes? ok, sorry aint buying this, as I told my 7th grade math teacher, " you may be and ape, you kinda look like one, I was created by God and I am human! I was suspended for about 45 minutes until they couldn’t prove I wasn’t created by God!

 

[lemondiesel]

feel free to add but it seems pretty obvious these are the main concepts that are difficult to grasp.

God is involved with with his creation.
God is everywhere.
God is in total control.
God never changes.
God is not perceivable (understandable).
God is eternal.
God is independent, completely separate from his creation.

 

[USMCatholic]

feel free to add but it seems pretty obvious these are the main concepts that are difficult to grasp.

God is involved with with his creation.
God is everywhere.
God is in total control.
God never changes.
God is not perceivable (understandable).
God is eternal.
God is independent, completely separate from his creation.

Are you using this list as an argument against Christianity and its view of God?

 

[lemondiesel]

God is God is God!

It does not take you believing in him to make him real, what part of that did you not get? He is who he is, He is the I am! He is the beginning and the end.

What part of one day being like a few million years to you. He is time, there for time (AS WE KNOW IT) does not exist.

I am sure there are apes that kind of resemble us in the skeleton ( look at the modern day apes) Shorter stature of man? well, come on now did you not think as his children he would not build us to adapt? Maby we did look something like apes but then again why are there still apes? why did we not all evolve? certainly we all adapted. Oh, ya, the Gene factor. somehow with no forthought we just** miraculously adapt into humans**? while our brothers stay apes? ok, sorry aint buying this, as I told my 7th grade math teacher, " you may be and ape, you kinda look like one, I was created by God and I am human! I was suspended for about 45 minutes until they couldn’t prove I wasn’t created by God!

Before i even reply, remember i am not trying to make you upset in anyway.

just simply think we were having coffee having a friendly conversation

The oldest DNA we have from a human ancestor is from a Neanderthal that takes us back to about 100,000 years. They are classified in a different category than that of homosapiens. Lemme bust out wiki quick. "Humans commonly refers to the species Homosapiens. Humans have a highly developed brain, capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. Okay, hopefully you still agree with me up till now. That shows that the Neanderthals had brains like us (much more primitive, but they would be excellent hunters).
Hopefully you get the meaning of this post.

Not all apes would go through evolution. Eventually some would have to adapt to eating fish to survive, due to climate perhaps? There’s now evidence that eating fish can play a positive role in mental health.

hopefully there is no need for me to continue…

 

[lemondiesel]

Are you using this list as an argument against Christianity and its view of God?

lol dude you guys are completely turning everything i say against me. I am saying i FULLY UNDERSTAND what God is, trust me i do, i just have not received faith to believe in him. I was raised Christian for 19 years man, i know who God is…

 

[Just_Lurking]

They are deaf and blinded. No evidence at all will ever be good enough. I know, it’s sad, but that’s simply the way it is.

This is sadly often the case. See here for one example.

 

[hatsoff]

What would convince the atheists and agnostics that God exists? Is there any evidence that would convince people that a God exists Furthermore, for the converts what evidence convinced you that a general God exists (or even your specific deity such as the triune Christian God for most people here.) I am not sure anyone who was born Catholic was convinced by any evidence because most of their “proofs” seem to be developed post hoc to justify their religion after they acquire it.

I am no longer certain there can ever be any evidence which would lead a rational person to God-belief. If there is, then I cannot think of an example.

 

[TomD123]

“You have to understand, many of us atheist believe to be a truly religious person you have to get rid of your rational thinking and your morals (depending on how one lives)”

This comment is ridiculous. You are basically saying that most of humanity now and most of humanity throughout history got rid of their rational thinking.

For the original question, the answer is nothing. Most atheists cannot be convinced there is a God because they do not want to be convinced. If God appeared to them today they would react like this: “Well there are various mental disorders that could explain this and disease x has occurred recently in people my age. It would be safe to say that God did not appear because he does not exist.”

A typical debate of atheism vs. Christianity

Christian: There are many proofs of God including the universe!
Atheist: If anyone is willing to give me evidence then I will believe
C: What about this proof__________
A: Too subjective, you need a lab environment
C: Try this one______, I think its pretty clear
A: Nope unless God appears then I will not believe! (by the way Christians, I am open to evidence)
C: Jesus appeared and he was God
A: Unless God appears right here right now and he heals an amputee then I will not believe! (Still no one has given me evidence)

 

[R_Daneel]

What would convince the atheists and agnostics that God exists? Is there any evidence that would convince people that a God exists Furthermore, for the converts what evidence convinced you that a general God exists (or even your specific deity such as the triune Christian God for most people here.) I am not sure anyone who was born Catholic was convinced by any evidence because most of their “proofs” seem to be developed post hoc to justify their religion after they acquire it.

Evidence would be anything that cannot be rationally denied. The theists enumerate a whole lot of specific attributes of their God. We could select some of these attributes and set up tests for them. If this alleged God can fulfill these tests, then we would have to accept it. If he fails them, we could deny it. That sounds simple, doesn’t it?

There is one basic postulate here: “no sane person can deny his own sanity”. If one doubts his own sanity, he is already insane. The reverse is not true. An insane person can truly believe that he is sane.

So, going back, if a test would put me into the position where I would have to choose between my sanity which tells me to accept the offered evidence and insanity to reject the offered evidence, then I would accept the evidence. As always, the devil is in the details. But your question was generic, so I will stop here.

 

[hatsoff]

Christian: There are many proofs of God including the universe!
Atheist: If anyone is willing to give me evidence then I will believe
C: What about this proof__________
A: Too subjective, you need a lab environment
C: Try this one______, I think its pretty clear
A: Nope unless God appears then I will not believe! (by the way Christians, I am open to evidence)
C: Jesus appeared and he was God
A: Unless God appears right here right now and he heals an amputee then I will not believe! (Still no one has given me evidence)

I cannot help but notice that the Christian’s evidences are left blank.

 

[Hooding_Trees]

This comment is ridiculous. You are basically saying that most of humanity now and most of humanity throughout history got rid of their rational thinking.

Well not really you have to remember that rational thinking takes skills that many people in history did not possess. Furthermore we know have a level of knowledge that must influence the way we look at the universe. The enlightenment and modern education have changed the goal posts for religion.

I personally do not believe there is a rational reason for believing that which there is no evidence.