To watch tv or not to watch tv?

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Granted that there are a few religious programs on television, it’s the exception rather than the rule.
Well one can say the same thing about the internet. With the shear volume of information available what percentage is “religious”, what percentage is morally neutral, and what percentage is morally corrosive?

Same with TV.
I watch EWTN? Morally good
I watch HGTV? Morally neutral
I watch Playboy channel? Morally Bad.

So - You use the internet and stay away from the garbage and feel justified. A person who watches TV and steers away from the garbage may feel just as justified.

It’s not the box, it’s what we choose to watch on the box.

Peace
James
 
Well one can say the same thing about the internet. With the shear volume of information available what percentage is “religious”, what percentage is morally neutral, and what percentage is morally corrosive?

Same with TV.
I watch EWTN? Morally good
I watch HGTV? Morally neutral
I watch Playboy channel? Morally Bad.

So - You use the internet and stay away from the garbage and feel justified. A person who watches TV and steers away from the garbage may feel just as justified.

It’s not the box, it’s what we choose to watch on the box.

Peace
James
It all a matter of the degree of holiness one wishes to achieve and keep. Whenever we take our mind off of holiness, we risk loosing that holiness through the evil works of Satan. It’s best to avoid TV and the Internet and remain in a constant state of prayer.
 
It’s best to avoid TV and the Internet and remain in a constant state of prayer.
With all due respect then why are you here, if Holiness is very important to you? I don’t mean to be perverse, I am trying to understand where you are coming from, and am having a bit of difficulty in doing so.

God bless.
 
I have a question how can you be keeping your mind on holiness when all that I seem to be reading in your posts is what is a tool of Satan and what leads us away from Holiness, as well as threads having to do with signs of possession or possession? With all due respect, if one wants to keep their mind on Holiness, does not one keep their mind on the All Holy One, God Himself, and the things revealed by God?

God bless.
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With all due respect then why are you here, if Holiness is very important to you? I don’t mean to be perverse, I am trying to understand where you are coming from, and am having a bit of difficulty in doing so.

God bless.
I’m not a perfect hermit or monk, but I try to hold a pretty high standard!
 
It all a matter of the degree of holiness one wishes to achieve and keep. Whenever we take our mind off of holiness, we risk loosing that holiness through the evil works of Satan. It’s best to avoid TV and the Internet and remain in a constant state of prayer.
I don’t disagree with what you say here. However I do take issue with your denouncing an inanimate object “TV” as a "tool of Satan. TV is no more a Tool of Satan than you computer is.
It is the programming on TV that is either good or bad (or neutral) NOT the TV itself.
Remember that I responded to your comment, “Television is a tool of Satan, used to lead us away from holiness one inch at a time.” This is demonstrably wrong. What is correct is that there is a a lot of programming on TV that is a tool of Satan.

Peace
James
 
I don’t disagree with what you say here. However I do take issue with your denouncing an inanimate object “TV” as a "tool of Satan. TV is no more a Tool of Satan than you computer is.
It is the programming on TV that is either good or bad (or neutral) NOT the TV itself.
Remember that I responded to your comment, “Television is a tool of Satan, used to lead us away from holiness one inch at a time.” This is demonstrably wrong. What is correct is that there is a a lot of programming on TV that is a tool of Satan.

Peace
James
I would say that there is a TON of programming that is used by Satan to lead us away from holiness, one inch at a time. When I say “television,” I mean mainstream programming.
 
I would say that there is a TON of programming that is used by Satan to lead us away from holiness, one inch at a time. When I say “television,” I mean mainstream programming.
Then I suggest, in all Christian Love, that in the future, you say what you mean instead of using a shorthand that leads to misunderstanding. :D:thumbsup:

Peace
James
 
Then I suggest, in all Christian Love, that in the future, you say what you mean instead of using a shorthand that leads to misunderstanding. :D:thumbsup:

Peace
James
How you could have taken it any other way, is to be beyond me.
 
How you could have taken it any other way, is to be beyond me.
Well Lets see…From Dictionary.com,

tel·e·vi·sion [tel-uh-vizh-uhn]
noun
1.the broadcasting of a still or moving image via radiowaves to receivers that project a view of the image on a picture tube.
2.the process involved.
3.a set for receiving television broadcasts.
4.the field of television broadcasting.

Do any of these definitions square with what you meant when you said "Television is a Tool of Satan?

I don’t mean to get all technical on you, but to blast “television” and call it, as you did, a tool of Satan is too wide a blast.

Peace
James
 
I would say that there is a TON of programming that is used by Satan to lead us away from holiness, one inch at a time. When I say “television,” I mean mainstream programming.
Then please by all means define or explain what you mean when you use words. Because when I read “television” I think of that box with wires in it that projects the pictures that I watch and not the programming itself.

Definitions are very important, if you don’t want to be misunderstood, then please take the time to define words, yes I know that may seem obtuse, but it will help out in further conversations.

This statement that you have posted. I would concur wholeheartedly.

God bless.
 
Watching tv can be a waste of time, and agreed, that it has a lot of bad influence. Though it can be relaxing, and be used to spread good news of our Lord, depends on what you watch and how much time you spend watching
 
Well said. Asking, “should we watch TV”, is like asking, “Should we read books/magazines”.

It’s isn’t about whether "TV is good or bad, TV is completely neutral. It’s really about what we choose to watch is good or bad.

Peace
James
Unfortunately, people like Robert Sock here are the very folks I accuse of promoting the OP’s bad generalizations and false dichotomies regarding television.

And given the last few pages here, I’d say that accusation is justified and the accused is guilty as charged.

Ironically, I don’t even watch much of television. Heck, I’m a HUGE critic of my own country’s television programming (rife with stupid soap dramas and copy-cat reality shows). That doesn’t mean I don’t see a gem every now and then like the way our comedy shows just make the perfect parodies of it all (as well as everything I find ridiculous in urban Filipino culture). There’s also the other good kind such as documentaries featuring local apologists and priests who would discuss the faith (usually during Halloween, Christmas, and Lenten season).

Those are all NOT exceptions to the rule by the way because you need to watch every TV show that has ever been produced on the entire planet to even think something like that.

The truth is nobody hasn’t. Everyone has seen different sides of TV programming. Some people follow only the sports channels, others focus only just EWTN. Geeks like me just watch mostly anime while middle-aged ladies like my mom watch your typical cooking/home-decor shows.

You just can’t pigeon-hole all that. You just can’t. The whole thing is simply too huge to define. Thus, I find it incredibly irrational that people insist on their sweeping statements. I don’t do this in defense of TV as much as I do in defense of common sense.

The last thing I want for my religion is to have a bunch of its self-proclaimed ‘spiritual’ members justify the stereotype that we like to sacrifice that sense in the name of morality.
 
Dearly beloved friends,

Cordial greetings and a very good day to you all.

It is undeniably true that inordinate and unselective television viewing can be a serious impediment to the Catholic’s pursuit of holiness and has the potential, at least, to cause a man’s mind to become fully imbued with the godless spirit of the age. Whilst this is equally applicable to the internet, I rather think that television should be especially singled out since that is, unquestionably, the most popular medium in the Western world, watched by nearly everyone, young and old alike.

Whilst many of us may not feel led to say a *complete *farewell to their TV sets, perhaps men ought to have a rethink regarding the amount of time spent in front of the small screen. St. Paul exhorts us to “redeem the time” (Col. 4: 5), which means that, given the brevity of this mortal life, the pious Catholic should employ his time for the glory of God and not relinquish it to the evil one. He must therefore regain for fruitful use the days which the Devil would have him misuse, including frittering away an immoderate quantity of time in front of the television, especially watching culturally unhealthy viewing material. Of course this does not preclude watching some wholesome and informative programmes for our education and pleasure, but it surely does mean that we will be highly discerning as to what we allow ourselves (and our children) to watch and that we will be disciplined with regards to our viewing time.

Let us remember that we are, according to St. Peter, “aliens and exiles” in this present world and thus we should avoid becoming too engrossed in its pleasures, especially when those pleasures are replete with a vast amount of evil and unsavoury influence, as is undoubtedly the case with television. Our whole objective as Catholics is to obtain eternal salvation and to enjoy the beatific vision of God forever, so we must be constantly vigilant that we do not allow ourselves to become distracted from the pursuit of sanctity and separation from the godless world. The enemy of our souls will do his utmost to frustrate this noble endeavour and cause us to embrace an earthbound outlook; we must ensure that Satan does not gain “the advantage over us; for we are not ignorant of his designs” (II Cor. 2: 11).

Catholics ought to think long and hard about the programmes that they watch and the time spent in television viewing, when they could be using that time profitably in cultivating a more deeper communion with Christ and our Lady. My concern is not so much that Catholics watch a moderate amount of wholesome TV, but that they are extremely unselective in their choice of viewing and that this is causing them to become distracted and half-hearted with respect to their pursuit of holiness. The call to holiness, which is to all Catholics and not merely a few thoroughgoing hermit and ascetic types, demands that we steadfastly resist the allurements of the world and not succumb to or be overcome by them.

Beloved brethren, our portion here on earth is all too brief, so let us beware of sqaundering the time watching an excessive amount of unwholesome television programmes. My fear is that many modern day Catholics have indiscriminate viewing habits and consequently their spiritual sensibilities have become dulled and blunted, thus desensitizing them to the exceeding sinfulness of sin.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
Beloved brethren, our portion here on earth is all too brief, so let us beware of sqaundering the time watching an excessive amount of unwholesome television programmes. My fear is that many modern day Catholics have indiscriminate viewing habits and consequently their spiritual sensibilities have become dulled and blunted, thus desensitizing them to the exceeding sinfulness of sin.
A good summary.

Television is not evil or bad. It’s a medium. Some shows are morally corrupt, others are amoral, still others have good and bad elements and some are pious and good. We’re allowed to relax and have fun as Catholics (lay, priest or religious). This doesn’t mean we relax our minds or our focus on God. There is a danger in that, but that danger is present at all times - even during prayer when our minds start to think about other things.

Just don’t watch too much, stay away from near occasions of sin, try not to create scandal or support immoral shows and you should be fine. Most shows are pretty boring now anyway. Better to read a book.
 
Better to read a book.
Not necessarily. I’ve had my fair share of both. There’s not much difference. Even the difference in medium is moot when it comes to anything with a plot.

In fact, I find it stupid that self-righteous sorts complain about TV yet don’t realize that stuff they complain about had long existed all the way back to ancient times in the tales of the ancient myths. (Ironically, these are the same classic tales we require of anyone seeking a decent academic background.)

A personal example of TV being better actually would be me saying watching Ben 10: Ultimate Alien over reading one of my aunt’s cheesy, sleazy romance books.
 
Not necessarily. I’ve had my fair share of both. There’s not much difference. Even the difference in medium is moot when it comes to anything with a plot…
I didn’t mean to say that the book was more valuable simply for being a book. Just that with books we’re more likely to choose something suited to our tastes, something we can control rather than just flicking through channels or whatever. Of course some books are hideous and don’t deserve the paper they are printed on. But speaking personally, save for a few TV shows (Anime, cooking shows, EWTN) I find myself having a lot more fun reading a book.
 
A good summary.

Television is not evil or bad. It’s a medium. Some shows are morally corrupt, others are amoral, still others have good and bad elements and some are pious and good. We’re allowed to relax and have fun as Catholics (lay, priest or religious). This doesn’t mean we relax our minds or our focus on God. There is a danger in that, but that danger is present at all times - even during prayer when our minds start to think about other things.

Just don’t watch too much, stay away from near occasions of sin, try not to create scandal or support immoral shows and you should be fine. Most shows are pretty boring now anyway. Better to read a book.
Dear NewsTheMan,

Cordial greetings and a very good day. Hope all is well and good to see you on the boards again, dear friend.

Quite so, television, like the internet, is itself a neutral medium and it is the abuse and not the use of it per se which is the real problem. That said, it is important that the Catholic remembers that he is engaged constantly in spiritual warfare and that in a fallen world he is not taking part in some perpetual picnic. The danger for Catholics living in the godless and hedonistic Western world is surely not from any over-rigorous discipline, but rather from over-indulgence, so that even good or ‘neutral’ things have the potential to become positively harmful. Thus we must needs be aware of the hazards to the spiritual life, even though such an awareness will not exclude time for picnics or for leisure pursuits, including moderate and selective TV viewing.

There has undeniably been a gradual loss of excellence as regards television programme content, which is no doubt a reflection of the moral and cultural deterioration in Western society generally. All of this is most lamentable, but what is even more mournful is to hear some professing Catholics say that because we now live in a milieu dominated by moral permissiveness, we can assimilate a certain amount of immoral entertainment on television without being adversely affected. It seems to be tacitly assumed that if a man has a sufficiently robust faith, then he will be grown up enough to be able to sift the good from among the bad and not be spiritually harmed by it - ignoring the unsavoury elements whilst savouring the good. Thus many modern day Catholic people seem to have no problem with watching graphically dramatised murders every week on films or TV series. Moreover, they are entertained by puerile and decidedly unwholesome comedies and relish so called inane ‘nerd humour’, deriving pleasure from the coarse wit but little realizing how a diet of laughing at what is profoundly unfunny will, at length, alter their ability to understand the gravity of immoral acts and how offensive they are to ar all-holy God. This sad state of affairs clearly results for unselective and undiscerning television viewing and is cause for concern.

Whilst I am not advocating that men part company with their TV sets, they do, I think, need to be very wary of befouling their souls by indiscriminate viewing. Catholics need to recover the moral sensitivity of former generations of the faithful, so that that which is morally and culturally unhealthy will immediately show up on their radar. If one is truly in earnest about the pursuit of holiness, then he will wish to avoid anything that could influence his heart and mind in the direction of sin and cause his love for God to wane.

My plea is that we ponder this whole matter of television viewing carefully and prayerfully, not that we necessarily transition to no viewing whatsoever, though some may feel led to do this in order to attain a greater degree of holiness.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
I didn’t mean to say that the book was more valuable simply for being a book. Just that with books we’re more likely to choose something suited to our tastes, something we can control rather than just flicking through channels or whatever.
I suppose that is a good technical point. Then again, I can’t tell the difference between watching a show I like on TV and finding it again on the net. Sometimes I wonder if it’s really even worth acknowledging the difference. I even hear that a fusion of both is gonna be the next evolution for TV programming. 🤷
 
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