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Nick
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do you think that it constitutes grave matter to buy tobacco and/or alcohol for minors in the US?
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Feanaro_s_Wife
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I would think that if one does it knowing that it is against the laws of the country then it is grave matter. Alcohol and tobacco can be prety toxic substances, especially to children.
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Didi
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Yes.
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Lady_Cygnus
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I’m going to sound completely contrary, but I think it depends on the situation. My mom gave me alcohol when I was under 21, but only a glass of wine on special holidays. I think it helped me to see it as something that could be enjoyed without being abused. 
As for tobacco, perhaps if you are supervising the kid to make him see how horrible it was. My mom smoked, and when I was young (mind you very, very young) I thought she was eating them. One day I picked up one of her used ones and did just that.
I’ve never been able to even go near them after that. 
As for tobacco, perhaps if you are supervising the kid to make him see how horrible it was. My mom smoked, and when I was young (mind you very, very young) I thought she was eating them. One day I picked up one of her used ones and did just that.
I’ve never been able to even go near them after that.
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Nick
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I didn’t mean buying tobacco and alcohol for children. I meant to ask if it would be ok if you were 18 and you bought cigarettes for someone who was 17? or if you were 21 and you bought alcohol for someone who was 18 or 19?
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stbruno
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This is info from the website of Mother’s Against Drunk Driving. or www.madd.org Their recent campaign is for Hispanic families, but they have a campaign ongoing for all people of all races.
MADD’s new campaign, funded by the Bureau of Justice Assistance of the U. S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs which was made possible by Congresswoman Lucille Roybal-Allard, was developed to begin a dialogue between Hispanic parents and caregivers and their underage children about the dangers of underage drinking. Underage drinking is a serious problem in America resulting in more than 6,000 deaths annually, according to the National Academy of Sciences.
The campaign includes television, radio, and Internet public service advertising, and parent resources including a free brochure containing the necessary tools to help them talk to their children about underage drinking. To view the PSAs and to obtain the resources, visit www.portuhijo.org or www.foryourchild.org, or call 1-877-POR-TU-HIJO (1-877-767-8844).
“MADD supports Latino parents in their quest to keep their children alcohol-free to ensure their health and safety,” said Sammy Quintana, former MADD national board member. “Underage drinking is illegal in all 50 states and for good reason. It has the potential to harm a child’s future. Latino parents who take so much pride in building a bright future for their children are encouraged to take a stand against underage drinking because it can lead to dangerous consequences. This campaign addresses that message in a memorable way.”
Alcohol use contributes to the three leading causes of death among Hispanic 12 to 20 year olds (CDC, 2002) and people who begin drinking before age 15 are five times more likely to develop alcohol dependence at sometime in their lives compared with those who began drinking at age 21. (SAMSHA, 2004)
Peggy Conlon, president & CEO of The Advertising Council, said, “Underage drinking is a serious problem in our country, including within the Hispanic community. Parents need to talk to their children about drinking and set clear boundaries before it is too late. We are proud to partner with MADD to develop PSAs that can help prevent so many senseless tragedies and improve the health of our country. I believe that the media will generously support this critical campaign.”
Research on underage drinking prevention often shows that there is a limited window of opportunity for parents to talk to their kids about drinking because youth develop their behaviors early and, as they grow older, become less influenced by their parents and more influenced by their peers. According to research conducted for the development of the campaign, Hispanic parents generally underestimate the extent of alcohol used by youth and its negative consequences.
Campaign materials and messages encourage Latino parents to begin the conversation about alcohol with their children at a young age, ideally before their child is exposed. A “For your Child” brochure available at the campaign website provides practical tips and information for parents to help jump start these important conversations. Research shows that the relationships and level of involvement that parents have with their children affects their children’s likelihood of using alcohol underage. (Spoth, et al, 1999; Resnick, et al, 1998)
Historically, outreach for underage drinking prevention has focused primarily on targeting teens. Research shows that teens are far more likely to delay drinking when they feel they have a close, supportive tie with a parent or guardian.
MADD’s new campaign, funded by the Bureau of Justice Assistance of the U. S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs which was made possible by Congresswoman Lucille Roybal-Allard, was developed to begin a dialogue between Hispanic parents and caregivers and their underage children about the dangers of underage drinking. Underage drinking is a serious problem in America resulting in more than 6,000 deaths annually, according to the National Academy of Sciences.
The campaign includes television, radio, and Internet public service advertising, and parent resources including a free brochure containing the necessary tools to help them talk to their children about underage drinking. To view the PSAs and to obtain the resources, visit www.portuhijo.org or www.foryourchild.org, or call 1-877-POR-TU-HIJO (1-877-767-8844).
“MADD supports Latino parents in their quest to keep their children alcohol-free to ensure their health and safety,” said Sammy Quintana, former MADD national board member. “Underage drinking is illegal in all 50 states and for good reason. It has the potential to harm a child’s future. Latino parents who take so much pride in building a bright future for their children are encouraged to take a stand against underage drinking because it can lead to dangerous consequences. This campaign addresses that message in a memorable way.”
Alcohol use contributes to the three leading causes of death among Hispanic 12 to 20 year olds (CDC, 2002) and people who begin drinking before age 15 are five times more likely to develop alcohol dependence at sometime in their lives compared with those who began drinking at age 21. (SAMSHA, 2004)
Peggy Conlon, president & CEO of The Advertising Council, said, “Underage drinking is a serious problem in our country, including within the Hispanic community. Parents need to talk to their children about drinking and set clear boundaries before it is too late. We are proud to partner with MADD to develop PSAs that can help prevent so many senseless tragedies and improve the health of our country. I believe that the media will generously support this critical campaign.”
Research on underage drinking prevention often shows that there is a limited window of opportunity for parents to talk to their kids about drinking because youth develop their behaviors early and, as they grow older, become less influenced by their parents and more influenced by their peers. According to research conducted for the development of the campaign, Hispanic parents generally underestimate the extent of alcohol used by youth and its negative consequences.
Campaign materials and messages encourage Latino parents to begin the conversation about alcohol with their children at a young age, ideally before their child is exposed. A “For your Child” brochure available at the campaign website provides practical tips and information for parents to help jump start these important conversations. Research shows that the relationships and level of involvement that parents have with their children affects their children’s likelihood of using alcohol underage. (Spoth, et al, 1999; Resnick, et al, 1998)
Historically, outreach for underage drinking prevention has focused primarily on targeting teens. Research shows that teens are far more likely to delay drinking when they feel they have a close, supportive tie with a parent or guardian.
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frogman80
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The gravity somewhat depends on what the younger party is going to do with it, and why the older party is buying it for them. Drinking alcohol and consuming tobacco (there are other ways besides smoking and cigarettes) are not sinful actions by themselves. (Note, some may disagree on the tobacco, but please find another thread for that discussion.)
If the younger party is forbidden by their parents, and are doing it behind their backs… and the younger party plans to use in excess, then older party also contracts the grave sin. If it is an older sibling / younger sibling thing… the parents should be the ones making that decision.
As for the actual law… I think the law in most states allows minors to drink responsibly under supervision from a LEGAL guardian. I know for a fact that in Illinois 19 year olds can make fermented alcohol (wine/mead/beer)… I assume this also gives them the right to drink that said alcohol with a legal guardian.
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stbruno
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www2.state.il.us/lcc/under21/docs/laws1.pdf
This is the website of the Illinois Liquor Control Commission regarding laws over drinking and alcohol possession in the state.
You are very wrong about Alcohol by people age 18.
If you are caught of possession of alcohol by an indiv. under the age of 21 open or unopened you can receive a penalty of maximum $500 and a six mos.jail term.
Consumption by an indiv.under 21…penalty Up to $2500 fine and possible jail time.
Illegal transportation of alcohol under the age of 21…penalty;
Drivers license suspended for one yr.for first offense, revocation of driver’s license for subsequent offense.
Providing alcohol to an individual under the age of 21…even parent under supervision…
Penalty…maximum $2500 fine and one yr.prison term.
There is lot more information on this website as well.
www3.madd.org/laws/ This is the website to check the laws in your own state too.
wineinstitute.org/fedlaw/ This is the website to check the regulations regarding making wine at home.
This is the website of the Illinois Liquor Control Commission regarding laws over drinking and alcohol possession in the state.
You are very wrong about Alcohol by people age 18.
If you are caught of possession of alcohol by an indiv. under the age of 21 open or unopened you can receive a penalty of maximum $500 and a six mos.jail term.
Consumption by an indiv.under 21…penalty Up to $2500 fine and possible jail time.
Illegal transportation of alcohol under the age of 21…penalty;
Drivers license suspended for one yr.for first offense, revocation of driver’s license for subsequent offense.
Providing alcohol to an individual under the age of 21…even parent under supervision…
Penalty…maximum $2500 fine and one yr.prison term.
There is lot more information on this website as well.
www3.madd.org/laws/ This is the website to check the laws in your own state too.
wineinstitute.org/fedlaw/ This is the website to check the regulations regarding making wine at home.
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dulcissima
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The younger a person is when they start to drink, the more likely they are to become an alcoholic. The law about being 21 before you can legally drink is a good one. If people waited until that age to start drinking, they will be far less likely to abuse alcohol. I know I didn’t always make the best decisions say at 17, 18, 19, etc. If I had been drinking alcohol at that age, I would hate to think of what I might have done.
Cigarettes are always harmful. Children under 18 should not smoke period. They are not old enough to make the decision to harm their body in that way.
Cigarettes are always harmful. Children under 18 should not smoke period. They are not old enough to make the decision to harm their body in that way.
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Nick
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Now I have a moral dillemma. at the time I did these things I did not consider my actions to be gravely immorall, but now looking back I realize that they definitely were.
Do I still incur grave guilt from these actions, even though at the time I did them I didn’t really consider what I was doing to be a mortal sin?
To committ mortal sin isn’t it necessary to have full knowledge and awareness that what you are about to do is seriously evil? Looking back I don’t know how I could’ve been so stupid to not realize the gravity of the situation, but I honestly don’t remember thinking “what I am about to do is seriously evil, and a mortal sin”
Do I still incur grave guilt from these actions, even though at the time I did them I didn’t really consider what I was doing to be a mortal sin?
To committ mortal sin isn’t it necessary to have full knowledge and awareness that what you are about to do is seriously evil? Looking back I don’t know how I could’ve been so stupid to not realize the gravity of the situation, but I honestly don’t remember thinking “what I am about to do is seriously evil, and a mortal sin”
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dulcissima
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That is true, still it would be best to make a good confession. Then you will know for certain that you are free from sin.
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Nick
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that is good advice dulcissima, but I struggle with scrupulosity so I am not supposed to confess unless I am absolutely sure that I have committed mortal sin. It can be very harmful for scrupuluos people to confess doubtful sins.
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stbruno
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That is why it is useful to consider having a spiritual director, not necessarily one who is also your confessor. A person that will help lead one to discern whether they are on a moral and grace filled path.
No man is an island as it quoted…that is why God is present where two or more are gathered. Pray always on it. And in the future make decisions that are also based on moral and ethical law as well.
Certainly always err on the side of why underaged people are protected by laws…They are not meant to injure but rather protect.
No man is an island as it quoted…that is why God is present where two or more are gathered. Pray always on it. And in the future make decisions that are also based on moral and ethical law as well.
Certainly always err on the side of why underaged people are protected by laws…They are not meant to injure but rather protect.
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frogman80
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stbruno said:
Interesting… I did say 19… not 18 but, I can’t locate age specifics on Illinois alcohol making laws. Also… I can’t locate any info on parents providing alcohol to their children that reflects what you posted. Honestly… Its not really relevant to the particular thread… but you might read some of this:
www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/1092767630.html
www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/Controversies/1114794158.html
www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/LegalDrinkingAge.html
www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/ZeroTolerance.html
www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/YouthIssues/index.html
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stbruno
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Read it again…the laws say anyone under 21 and 19 certainly is under 21. www2.state.il.us/lcc/under21/
I only posted one page of the whole site. And this is current law not a law from 1984 as stated in your link.
councilonalcoholism.net/PartiesAndTeens.pdf This website gives complete details about parents serving alcohol under the legal age of 21.
I only posted one page of the whole site. And this is current law not a law from 1984 as stated in your link.
councilonalcoholism.net/PartiesAndTeens.pdf This website gives complete details about parents serving alcohol under the legal age of 21.
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Harland
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In my opinion supplying alcohol to someone underage is a series matter because of the possible consequences. Furnishing tobacco to someone underage is against the law but because of the lack of short-term effects it is not as grave as the issue of alcohol. Please don’t misunderstand me I am against anyone smoking, not just those under a certain age. I find it a dirty, filthy antisocial habit with possible long turn consequences.
IMHO no one under the age of 100 should be allowed to purchase tobacco, unless accompanied by a parent.
IMHO no one under the age of 100 should be allowed to purchase tobacco, unless accompanied by a parent.
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puzzleannie
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frogman80
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The National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 was the Act that brought about the requirement to be 21 to purchase alcohol. This law is still very much in place. The national law specifically prohibits purchase and public possession of alcoholic beverages. It does not prohibit persons under 21 (also called youth or minors) from drinking. I believe the proponents of the law actually tried to include drinking age, but it was rejected because constitutionally it should be left up for the individual states to decide. This national law does define “public possession” and it does not apply to possession for the following:
- An established religious purpose, when accompanied by a parent, spouse or legal guardian age 21 or older
- Medical purposes when prescribed or administered by a licensed physician, pharmacist, dentist, nurse, hospital or medical institution
- In private clubs or establishments
- In the course of lawful employment by a duly licensed manufacturer, wholesaler or retailer
Some states do have a ban on underage drinking. Something like 22 states currently have NO ban at all. The rest of the states have “exceptions” for underage drinking.
Here is a current map showing state allowances for under 21 consumption: Click Here for Map
Once you are at the map, you can click on the map to get a better description of the legend.
By the way I had already read the rest of the Illinois “Under 21 Program” website that you provided to me. It is is about selling to minors, fake ids, and illegal possession by a minor. I did see one small line about “providing to a minor.” In Illinois this does not pertain to a legal guardian in the confines of a private location… the website you provided is talking about the type of situation Nick (original poster) was involved in. Also, I am pretty sure in my time I have come across the law that states that a person must be 19 to make alcohol in my state! Which is funny, because I have never seen an age limit for consumption!
Be at peace…
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Chris_Jacobsen
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Where I live, an 18 year old can legally drink a bar at any time if his parent is with him.
The only reason states passed laws against drinking and smoking is because they were blackmailed by the Federal Government. This is the same Federal Government who supports hacking babies up in pieces. This is the same Federal Government who is making Iraq safe for Muslims to persecute Catholics.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with minors drinking and smoking.
Catholics who disagree are people who prefer to grovel in front of a U.S. flag, rather than do what’s right.
The only reason states passed laws against drinking and smoking is because they were blackmailed by the Federal Government. This is the same Federal Government who supports hacking babies up in pieces. This is the same Federal Government who is making Iraq safe for Muslims to persecute Catholics.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with minors drinking and smoking.
Catholics who disagree are people who prefer to grovel in front of a U.S. flag, rather than do what’s right.
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frogman80
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Oy now…
Generally I agree with you… don’t think I implied otherwise… but in many cases breaking the law is venial (at most if at all) in nature… not mortal. Think speed limits, jay walking… etc.
So for the fun of it… my wife (when underage) used to have an older friend (not a legal guardian) purchase beer for her! (Oh No!) My wife was even attending a Catholic University.
Whats that I hear!!! Do I hear you shout Scandal!!! nah…
my wife just liked to make beer bread. Most beer bread recipes involve a can of beer… it acts as the leavener. (Message me if you want the recipe 
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