Tobit 13

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I have often heard that once someone goes to hell it is for all eternity. How does that fit with Tobit 13:2 ?

“For he scourges and then has mercy;
he casts down to the depths of the nether world,
and he brings up from the great abyss.
No one can escape his hand.”

(from usccb.org/bible/tobit/13)

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Dave W.
 
I have often heard that once someone goes to hell it is for all eternity. How does that fit with Tobit 13:2 ?

“For he scourges and then has mercy;
he casts down to the depths of the nether world,
and he brings up from the great abyss.
No one can escape his hand.”

(from usccb.org/bible/tobit/13)

Thanks,

Dave W.
When you say you “have often heard…” this is in fact an infallible Church teaching. Hell is forever. There is no escape.
You seem to be confused about Hell.

CCC 632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was “raised from the dead” presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection. This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ’s descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.

CCC 633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “Hell” - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God. Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into “Abraham’s bosom”: “It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham’s bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell.” Jesus did not descend into Hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.

CCC 634 “The gospel was preached even to the dead.” The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfillment. This is the last phase of Jesus’ messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ’s redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

CCC 635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that “the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” Jesus, “the Author of life”, by dying destroyed “him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage.” Henceforth the risen Christ holds “the keys of Death and Hades”, so that “at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth.”
 
The translation at the link you posted doesn’t match the translation that you posted. It goes:
1 Then Tobit spoke and composed a song of joyful praise; he said:
Blessed be God who lives forever,
because his kingship lasts for all ages.
2 For he afflicts and shows mercy,
casts down to the depths of Hades,
brings up from the great abyss.
What is there that can snatch from his hand?
I think one of the key differences is the difference between “for he afflicts and shows mercy” versus “for he scourges and then has mercy”.

If God afflicts and shows mercy, is there anything in the original Hebrew that would imply that he is both afflicting and having mercy on the same subject? Or does he afflict some, and show mercy to others?

If none of us merits the beatific vision by ourselves, it’s quite appropriate to say that God “brings up from the great abyss”. And if some of us reject the salvation of God, it’s equally appropriate to say that God “casts down to the depths of Hades.”

After checking five or six different translations, but not doing a Google quote search, I can’t find any that translate the verse as you phrased it.
 
Midori:

I apologize for the wrong link. The translation I posted was from my book “Christain Prayer” (Catholic Book Publishing Corp.) :o

I looked it up on the USCCB website and also on the “Divine Office” website (divineoffice.org/) for today’s morning prayers to compare translations. The LoH online and in my book matched so I used that translation.

Thistle & Midori:

Thank you both for the explination. It is clearer now…👍
 
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