Today's Gospel reading Mt 10:16-23

[vin_dedvukaj]

So I am having a hard time with today Gospel reading in particular towards the end. Mt 10:16-23 " Amen I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the son of man comes" what exactly is our Lord talking about here? kind of confusing

 

[1Lord1Faith]

I think it would be better to ask - what was the gospel author talking about here? The gospels seem to give differing accounts.

 

[Hodos]

It means that Christians can expect that the message of the gospel will be rejected by the world, and that because of this you can expect persecution on account of Christ.

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

its in today’s gospel for mass

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

I understand that part I was talking about the part I mentioned above

 

[Vico]

…

Matthew 10

23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes. (RSVCE)

23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; for truly I tell you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes. (NRSVCE)

The gloss in the New Oxford Annotated Bible: NRSV with The Apocrypha says: “Most scholars interpret this most difficult verse as a reference to Jesus’ return (the Second Coming or Parousia)”

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

then that wouldn’t make sense ? because he didn’t return and still hasn’t so how dose that make sense

 

[Vico]

then that wouldn’t make sense ? because he didn’t return and still hasn’t so how do[es] that make sense

The Church will continue to proclaim the Gospel for a very long time, past their lifetimes.

See Matthew 24

14 And this good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come.

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

in the passage I am speaking of it seems that our Lord is saying you won’t yet reach all the world or at least the towns of Israel before he comes. since the have reach those towns and pretty the whole world how would that make sense ?

 

[Crusader13]

in the passage I am speaking of it seems that our Lord is saying you won’t yet reach all the world or at least the towns of Israel before he comes. since the have reach those towns and pretty the whole world how would that make sense ?

It makes sense when you don’t try and interpret it in a still future setting.

The apostles are still preaching to the lost sheep in Israel when Jesus comes in judgment in AD 70 and destroys Jerusalem and the Temple. That’s what Matthew 24 is referring to as well.

It’s the Jewish leadership that are trying to capture and persecute the apostles and bringing them before the other kings and governors to bear testimony to the Gentiles. Jesus tells them to endure to the end because the judgment of Israel is coming soon. Then the Jewish hierarchy is destroyed along with the temple.

 

[Gorgias]

" Amen I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the son of man comes" what exactly is our Lord talking about here? kind of confusing

It’s a difficult passage to interpret. Some suggest that it refers to Jesus’ Parousia, while others assert that it’s just the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D.

For those who see eschatological meaning here, it’s difficult to make sense of – was Jesus talking about the cities within geographical ‘Israel’, or is He talking about the mission to all Jews, wherever they live? Would this include only Jews alive in the 1st century A.D., or all Jews from then on?

The difficulty here is to look at it in a way that doesn’t suggest that Jesus was mistaken, right? The “all of Israel, in all places” is the easiest way to make that interpretative move, but it’s also the easiest to criticize.

 

[Crusader13]

For those who see eschatological meaning here, it’s difficult to make sense of – was Jesus talking about the cities within geographical ‘Israel’, or is He talking about the mission to all Jews, wherever they live? Would this include only Jews alive in the 1st century A.D., or all Jews from then on?

Both. The immediate passage refers to the towns in Israel. Jesus tells them specifically

Beware of men; for they will deliver you up to councils, and flog you in their synagogues,
Matthew 10:17

No modern day Jewish hierarchy is ruling over the Jewish community with the capability to flog people in their synagogues. This passage simply doesn’t work if you believe that it is referring to some still unknown future date.

The other aspect is that we are still commanded to preach the Gospel to all the nations, including the Jews. Romans 11 is clear on this matter, because eventually the Jews will be grafted back in again.

 

[stpurl]

Exactly. The Scripture passage of “the first shall be last, and the last shall be first’ ties in perfectly here.

 

[Gorgias]

No modern day Jewish hierarchy is ruling over the Jewish community with the capability to flog people in their synagogues. This passage simply doesn’t work if you believe that it is referring to some still unknown future date.

No; just that this part of the passage can’t be referring to Judaism in the 20th century.

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

that makes a lot of sense! thank you

 

[Vico]

in the passage I am speaking of it seems that our Lord is saying you won’t yet reach all the world or at least the towns of Israel before he comes. since the have reach those towns and pretty the whole world how would that make sense ?

I think you mean “since the[y] have reach[ed] those towns and pretty the whole world how would that make sense?”

They only reached a small portion of the world.

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

Thanks for correcting me. But You still didn’t answer lol it’s ok I got the answer thank you tho

 

[Vico]

since the have reach those towns and pretty the whole world how would that make sense

You wrote: "since the have reach those towns and pretty the whole world how would that make sense "

I answered the contrary that : “They only reached a small portion of the world.” And the other scripture Matthew 24: “14 And this good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the world, as a testimony to all the nations; and then the end will come.” This indicates that the time for proclamation extends beyond their lifetimes (say up to 98 A.D.).

 

[vin_dedvukaj]

Thanks but that answer still
Doesn’t make sense to me. But thank you tho

 

[Vico]

Thanks but that answer still
Doesn’t make sense to me. But thank you tho

The destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 may be the event.

Look here also:

Luke 21

21 Then let those who are in Judea, flee to the mountains; and those who are in the midst thereof, depart out: and those who are in the countries, not enter into it.
22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things may be fulfilled, that are written.