Today's Mass readings (God tests Abraham (His devotion) / The paralytic / the power of words)

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Genesis 22:1-19:

God put Abraham to the test. He called to him, “Abraham!”
“Here I am,” he replied. Then God said: “Take your son Isaac, your only one, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah. There ***you shall offer him up as a burnt offering ***on a height that I will point out to you.” Early the next morning Abraham saddled his donkey, took with him his son Isaac and the two of his servants as well, and with the wood that he had cut for the burnt offering, set out for the place of which God had told him. On the third day Abraham got sight of the place from afar. Then he said to his servants: ‘both of you stay here with the donkey, while the boy and I go on over yonder. We will worship and then come back to you.” Thereupon Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and laid it on his son Isaac’s shoulders while he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two walked on together, Isaac spoke to his father Abraham: “Father!” he said.
"Yes, son,” he replied. Isaac continued, “here are the fire and the wood, but where is the sheep for the burn offering?”
“Son,” Abraham answered, “God himself will provide the sheep for the burn offering.” Then the two continued going forward. When they came to the place of which god had told him, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. Next he tied up his son Isaac, and put him on top of the wood on the altar. Then he reached out and took the knife to slaughter his son. But the Lord’s messenger called to him from heaven, “Abraham, Abraham!”
“here I am,” he answered. “Do not lay your hand on the boy,” said the messenger. “Do not do the least thing to him. I know now ho devoted you are to god, since you did not withhold from me your own beloved son.” As Abraham looked about, he spied a ram caught by its horns in the thicket. So he went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering in place of his son. Abraham named the site Yahweh-yireh; hence people now say, “On the mountain the Lord will see.” Again the Lord’s messenger called to Abraham from heaven and said: “I swear by myself, declares the Lord, that ***because you acted as you did in not withholding form me your beloved son, I will bless you abundantly ***and make your descendants as countless as the starts of the sky and the sands of the seashore; your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies, and in your descendants all the nations of the earth shall find blessing – all this because you obeyed my command.” Abraham then returned to his servants, and they set out together for Beer-sheba, where Abraham made his home.

St Mt 9:1-8:

After entering a boat, Jesus made the crossing, and came into his own town. And there people brought to him a paralytic lying on a stretcher. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Courage, child, your sins are forgiven.” At that, some of the scribes said to themselves, “this man is blaspheming.” Jesus knew what they were thinking, and said, “Why do you harbor evil thoughts? Which is easier, to say, :’Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘rise and walk’? but that you may know that the son of Man has authority on Earth to forgive sins” – he then said to the paralytic, “rise, pick up your stretcher, and go home.” He rose and went home. When the crowds saw this they were struck with awe and glorified God who had given such authority to men.

*So, does God keep on testing us humans? I don’t believe that God only tested Abraham and never tests anyone else…

Seems the gospel is alluding to the Sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession)… Jesus says Which is easier to say: Stand up and walk? or Your sins are forgiven?

so why the big fuss over priests saying Your sins are forgiven?*
 
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Well I was wondering what the priest would say about this first reading. If you heard
a voice from God telling you to kill your child, would you do it, or would you not, because you would know it wasn’t God because He would never say that? The
interesting thing about Abraham was that he had already seen and talked to God
many times this past week or so. So unlike us, who have never seen God or heard
Him actually speak with a voice, Abraham knew it was God. Here are my priest’s
disappointing words: “It didn’t really happen that way, this is just a story to show
that Abraham had faith”. Well, this just takes the cake. How does this “story” show
that Abraham had faith if it was just a story? (Yes, I do believe we are tested daily…)

"Why should the pagans say,
“Where is their God?” " – from today’s psalm

Yes, why do they?

“Courage, child, your sins are forgiven.” – Am I wrong to see it this way, or is
Jesus implying that this man’s paralyzation was caused by his sins?
To this man, it was a big deal that Jesus said his sins are forgiven, it meant he
could now walk. Jesus passed the “keys of the kingdom” on to Peter and the
church, so now if a priest says “your sins are forgiven”, it is just like God saying
it. I never thought of it before, but has anyone ever gone to confession, and been
cured of an ailment after having their sins forgiven?
 
I never realized until recently that the healing of the paralytic involved 2 miracles. One: healing him physically. And Two: healing him spiritutally. The onlookers would not believe the latter if Jesus hadn’t shown them the former. He showed in the material world what was also taking place in the spiritual realm. :o
 
I never realized until recently that the healing of the paralytic involved 2 miracles. One: healing him physically. And Two: healing him spiritutally. The onlookers would not believe the latter if Jesus hadn’t shown them the former. He showed in the material world what was also taking place in the spiritual realm. :o
its so wonderful what Jesus does for us… which can be expereinced to the fullest in the Real Presence…

and also when we die and go to be with Him for good… then it is total… so why do people (devout Christians) fear death? 🤷
 
usccb.org/nab/070209.shtml

Well I was wondering what the priest would say about this first reading. If you heard
a voice from God telling you to kill your child, would you do it, or would you not, because you would know it wasn’t God because He would never say that? The
interesting thing about Abraham was that he had already seen and talked to God
many times this past week or so. So unlike us, who have never seen God or heard
Him actually speak with a voice, Abraham knew it was God. Here are my priest’s
disappointing words: “It didn’t really happen that way, this is just a story to show
that Abraham had faith”. Well, this just takes the cake.
:rotfl:

just think this sounds funny… the last line… I KNOW how exasperating some priests can be… What is it with priests these days??? They can be more liberal than the liberals outside the Church, it seems… :banghead::hypno::ouch:
How does this “story” show
that Abraham had faith if it was just a story? (Yes, I do believe we are tested daily…)
for sure… :rolleyes:
"Why should the pagans say,
“Where is their God?” " – from today’s psalm

Yes, why do they?

“Courage, child, your sins are forgiven.” – Am I wrong to see it this way, or is
Jesus implying that this man’s paralyzation was caused by his sins?
To this man, it was a big deal that Jesus said his sins are forgiven, it meant he
could now walk. Jesus passed the “keys of the kingdom” on to Peter and the
church, so now if a priest says “your sins are forgiven”, it is just like God saying
it. I never thought of it before, but has anyone ever gone to confession, and been
cured of an ailment after having their sins forgiven?
no… but i felt like i was healthier… does that count?? 🙂 i know i was healthier spirtually…

also, i have been healed miraculously… just not direclty after confession…
 
Healing is of the soul, which to the spiritual order takes precedence in our lives, over being physically cured. Salvation indicates health, and God desires above all else that the soul be healed from original sin and the effects thereof. This is why when we offer up our sufferings to Christ, we are spiritually transformed and healed. There is a distinguishment between soul and body, but they are intimately connected as taught in the story of the paraleptic in today’s Gospel. The message is that Christ has come for the humble, and when you are infringed with a delibitating illness or condition, you are more likely to be humble and contrite in spirit than if you are in good health and have everything going for you. There are countless stories of people with cancer, for example, who are transformed spiritually by their sickness and have a greater appreciation of their faith, friends and family. As Aquainas taught: “God allows evil in order for a greater good to come out of it.”
 
. There are countless stories of people with cancer, for example, who are transformed spiritually by their sickness and have a greater appreciation of their faith, friends and family. As Aquainas taught: “God allows evil in order for a greater good to come out of it.”
mostly God allows evil because humans do (humans influenced by the devil)…

but God knows we will sin and does bring good out of it…

st. T Aquinas was never one of my favorite saints… although i admit i don’t know much about him… seems some of his writings are a little misogynistic…

in any case, i never liked that answer (just being honest)… about God allowing evil in order for a greater good to come of it… because really, God never wants evil… or allows it… It is humans that allow it…
 
its so wonderful what Jesus does for us… which can be expereinced to the fullest in the Real Presence…

and also when we die and go to be with Him for good… then it is total… so why do people (devout Christians) fear death? 🤷
I would say because faith is often imperfect. =/
 
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