Told we must stand after the Agnus Dei

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I think you need to talk to your priest about this. See what the reason behind the standing is. It would bother me and I’d have to do something but first I’d need to see where he is coming from.
 
YourNameHere said:
Kneeling seems to be a lost art for some Catholics.
Many who come in the church rarely genuflect before they enter a pew or when they pass in front of the cross.
Other who kneel during the mass do not kneel properly, but kind of prop part of their posterior on the pew seat.
Sloth is one of the Ten Commandments. People should not be too lazy to act properly in Church.
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Which of the ten commandments covers sloth?
 
I realized I forgot to say that our bishop is who changed this. I have also done research that indicated that we still could kneel, that this new mandate should not interfere with an individual’s ability to do so if they feel compelled to do so. The only place I’ve found it though, is from Francis Cardinal Arinze, and our priest says he doesn’t count. I am not losing my faith over this. And I’m not trying to be stubborn. I cherish our Catholic Faith, and I feel deeply that kneeling is what I must do in order to adore Our Lord in the Eucharist. I guess I made a mistake in expecting an answer from this forum. It’s been many years since I posted on it. I am not looking for attacks, pats on the back, or any other form of ‘opinion’. I only want to know if I have the right to kneel as Francis Cardinal Arinze says. Again, this is not about rebelling, it’s about adoring. Thank you 🙂
 
babochka said:
Which of the ten commandments covers sloth?
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Not sure…since it was YourNameHere posted it…but, maybe “Thou Shalt Not Stand Erect After the Agnus Dei, but must assume a kneeling position until all have received communion” with the footnote that this commandment is deferred until after creation of the Roman Liturgy?
 
YourNameHere said:
Yes, I understand that Janet. I was speaking of those who appear to be fit as a fiddle once they are outside of the Church.
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Appearances can be deceiving. How many situations do you see them in? Chances are, the people who don’t kneel or genuflect also avoid gardening and can’t crouch down or squat to a child’s level. But maybe they can run or lift weights or carry heavy bags. I speak from experience. 🙂 To all the world, I appear fit, but I have had bad knees since my twenties. You might notice in the little things. If I have to pick something up from the floor, I bend over straight, not bending knees at all.
 
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SofR, I apologize for judging other people’s kneeling skills.
I was only commenting on the fact that I have seen some seemingly fit (mostly young people) - no crutches, cains, or braces of any kind - who for whatever the reason do not kneel or seem to make a half-hearted effort at kneeling.
I will try to accept your non-judgmental words leveled at me and try “mind my own business” in the future. LOL 😄
 
My daughter who is extremely fit has bad knees. It is from the distance running she does.
 
If you are losing your faith over standing versus kneeling, I’d worry about THAT little fact first.

You are in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Again, do as you are accustomed to doing.
 
Therese12 said:
I realized I forgot to say that our bishop is who changed this. I have also done research that indicated that we still could kneel, that this new mandate should not interfere with an individual’s ability to do so if they feel compelled to do so.
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The dubia regarding standing, kneeling, sitting addressed the post-communion prayer posture, not the rubric regarding standing after the Agnus Dei.

That’s why you can’t find something to support the idea that you can kneel after the Agnus Dei when your bishop has set standing as the norm for the diocese. GIRM 43 gives the bishop that authority.
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I guess I made a mistake in expecting an answer from this forum
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You got an answer: the GIRM itself delegates the authority to the bishop to have standing as the posture. Kneeling during the Agnus Dei is not the universal norm. It is done in some English speaking countries such as the US with the proviso that the bishop can implement something else in his diocese in the US.
 
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And to add on to this excellent advice, I repeat, obedience to the Bishop is the beginning of humility.
 
That and bad genes. Small kneecaps I believe also. She runs on tracks,cross country on a treadmill and on paved roads. She just loves to run.
 
Mi_Rose said:
That and bad genes. Small kneecaps I believe also. She runs on tracks,cross country on a treadmill and on paved roads. She just loves to run.
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Yep. Bad genes. I have bad knees like my mother and my grandfather before me.
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Running on hard surfaces will take a toll. The pavement does not give. So it has to be part of the body that does. Sorry about her knees. Hopefully, the pain is manageable.
 
Lots of ibuprofen. She was told to give up running but I can’t see that happening for a while.
 
I believe Cardinal Arinze talked about kneeling after communion, not after the Agnus Dei.
 
In both the archdioceses of Toronto and Vancouver, the custom is to kneel from the end of the Sanctus through to the Great Amen and against after the Agnus Dei…as in the US.

Elsewhere, within the ecclesiastical province of Vancouver, in the suffragan dioceses, the norm is to kneel only during the first half of the EP until the consecration (standing for the Mystery of Faith). I can’t speak for the neighbouring dioceses of Toronto. It is interesting that the two largest English Canadian cities deviate on this matter.

I remember visiting the Diocese of Nelson, which is in the Vancouver province, and being “reminded” to remain standing after the Agnus Dei until all had received… that is not the practice in Vancouver itself and it feels odd to me.
 
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