Tolerance of false doctrine

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Is tolerance of false doctrine a chrisian virtue?

How exactly does tolerance relate to christian doctrine?

to people who teach false doctrine?

give examples please.
 
Please define:
Tolerance
False
Doctrine
Christian
Virtue.

No I’m not being a pill (I hope), but all these words (trust me) are going to be defined in more than one way by people. So you’d better let us know right from the start exactly what you mean by each or we’ll be misinterpreting and talking past each other for the whole thread.
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
Is tolerance of false doctrine a chrisian virtue?
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Daniel,

Your first respondent has raised some excellent questions. For my part, “tolerance” means an attitude of “what you are doing is wrong, but it is not my place to make you stop.” This is distinct from (although often confused with) acceptance, which is the attitude of “what you are doing is quite all right.”

As such, if somebody is going to believe a false doctrine, it is not generally my place to force him to quit (if such a thing is possible at all). It is my Christian duty to point out the falsehood of the doctrine, but that is different.
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Hi Daniel,

The following quote has been attributed to St. Augustine :

"In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; and in all things, charity."

If you always have consideration for the feelings of others, you will never be wrong.

Verbum
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
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**No.

There are only two doctrines in scripture.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils

Seducing is the Greek word planos meaning an imposter, misleader, deceiver. Only impostors masquerading as ministers of righteousness can seduce men by this devils’ doctrine.

The devils’ doctrine started in the Garden of Eden. The Serpent preached it to Eve beguiling her. He did not come breathing fire and smoke saying that God was not God. He merely told Eve that God didn’t mean what he said. She could have all that the world had to offer. This is the very meaning of the word Devil. There are two words in the Greek for the word devil:
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* Devil - diabolos meaning slanderer or false accuser (Satan was accusing God of lying about eating of the tree). This word is a construction of two syllables:
* dia - meaning the channel of an act, through or thereby
* ballo - to throw, cast out, strike or throw down
Are believers to tolerate the devil’s doctrine?
No.

Ephesians 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
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As in all things, we should let the example of Christ speak for itself. With the woman caught in adultery for example, he had absolutely no truck with, sympathy for or intention of excusing her sin. He flat out told her to sin no more. But was he pitiless enough to stone her or let others do so? No as well.

So how does this apply to false doctrine? Well, the holding of false doctrine is itself a sin. And we should do all we can to condemn false doctrine in general and dissuade others from holding it in particular. At the same time strive to maintain respect for them as thinking individuals, and remember that what constitutes ‘false doctrine’ is not always quite as crystal clear a sin as adultery!
 
LilyM said:
. . . we should do all we can to condemn false doctrine in general and dissuade others from holding it in particular.
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**Well said.

2Tim 4:2 -
preach the word; be ready in season {and} out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.**
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At the same time strive to maintain respect for them as thinking individuals . . .
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I disagree.

Didn’t Jesus tell us what we are to strive for?

Luke 13:24
"Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I tell you, will attempt to enter but will not be strong enough.

Strive - From the Greek word: Agonizomai (ag-o-nid’-zom-ahee)
It metaphorically means to contend, struggle, with difficulties and dangers.

We are not suppose to struggle with accepting those that have been sudduced by the devils doctrine. We are suppose to rebuke them. And if the person doesn’t repent (turns, and thinks differently), then we are to have no fellowship with them.

Didn’t Paul warn against getting involved with those that preach false doctrine:

1Tim 6:20
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid profane babbling and the absurdities of so-called knowledge.
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By professing it, some people have deviated from the faith.

Titus 3:10
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After a first and second warning, break off contact with a heretic,
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realizing that such a person is perverted and sinful and stands self-condemned.**
 
tabcom said:
**Well said.

2Tim 4:2 -
preach the word; be ready in season {and} out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.**
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I disagree.

Didn’t Jesus tell us what we are to strive for?

Luke 13:24
"Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I tell you, will attempt to enter but will not be strong enough.

Strive - From the Greek word: Agonizomai (ag-o-nid’-zom-ahee)
It metaphorically means to contend, struggle, with difficulties and dangers.

We are not suppose to struggle with accepting those that have been sudduced by the devils doctrine. We are suppose to rebuke them. And if the person doesn’t repent (turns, and thinks differently), then we are to have no fellowship with them.

Didn’t Paul warn against getting involved with those that preach false doctrine:

1Tim 6:20
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid profane babbling and the absurdities of so-called knowledge.
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By professing it, some people have deviated from the faith.

Titus 3:10
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After a first and second warning, break off contact with a heretic,
11
realizing that such a person is perverted and sinful and stands self-condemned.**
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And that’s why you’re here associating with us in spite of clear evidence that most of us don’t accept, for example, your ideas about Christmas trees? 😉
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
Is tolerance of false doctrine a chrisian virtue?

How exactly does tolerance relate to christian doctrine?

to people who teach false doctrine?

give examples please.
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There are times when Jesus tolerates, on some level, the fact that some people fail to understand and accept the word of God. He says regarding the religious leaders who refuse to see God’s kingdom “Let them go there way. They are blind leaders of the blind and they will both fall into the pit.”

He advises his disciples: “Do not throw your pearls before swine, they will simply trample them underfoot and perhaps attack you as well.”

When faced with the lack of faith of the people of his own home town he accepted it as part of the life of a prophet and moved on to other towns.

Jesus appears to be tolerant of the fact that some people would not accept his word.

Jim
 
LilyM said:
And that’s why you’re here associating with us in spite of clear evidence that most of us don’t accept, for example, your ideas about Christmas trees? 😉
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Hi Lily. What you say is actually interesting. Tabcom is saying he disagrees with being respectful to anyone believing in false doctrine and in fact should have nothing to do with them.

QUOTE from Tabcom:
We are not suppose to struggle with accepting those that have been sudduced by the devils doctrine. We are suppose to rebuke them. And if the person doesn’t repent (turns, and thinks differently), then we are to have no fellowship with them.
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As Catholics we kow our Church has the fullness of truth. Tabcom left the Catholic Church to join the Church of Predestination. He has stayed with them and not returned to the Catholic Church. This must mean he does does believe that the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth and consequently one or more of the Church doctrines are false.
He knows we will never come round to his way of thinking so by his definition he has no respect for Catholics and I wonder then why he is participating in these Catholic forums.
 
Hi Tabcom,

I don’t mean any disrespect, but this statement sounds like it came out of a fortune cookie

(1) What do you have against fortune cookies?

(2) What do you have against Blessed John XXIII?

The latter in his encyclical Ad Petri Cathedram on unity and peace in a spirit of charity (June 29, 1959) had these words :
  1. The Catholic Church, of course, leaves many questions open to the discussion of theologians. She does this to the extent that matters are not absolutely certain. Far from jeopardizing the Church’s unity, controversies, as a noted English author, John Henry Cardinal Newman, has remarked, can actually pave the way for its attainment. For discussion can lead to fuller and deeper understanding of religious truths; when one idea strikes against another, there may be a spark. (25)
  2. But the common saying, expressed in various ways and attributed to various authors, must be recalled with approval: in essentials, unity; in doubtful matters, liberty; in all things, charity.
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Verbum
 
2 John 10 tells us not to welcome false teachers into the church. God speaking in Revelation, the letters to the churches makes it plain that he does not put up with false teachings, nor with those who are not on fire for Jesus.
 
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