Tolerance or Love

[Franciscan]

What’s the difference.

The secular culture calls for tolerance

and Jesus calls for Love of neighbor.

Whats the diff?

 

[buffalo]

Truth with Love

not

Truth without Love

Love without Truth

True Christian charity calls for fraternal correction.

Today’s tolerance is different from the past. Today’s tolerance wants you to embrace sin and champion it.

 

[hasikelee]

What’s the difference.

The secular culture calls for tolerance

and Jesus calls for Love of neighbor.

Whats the diff?

Think of an alcoholic husband who physically abuses his wife and causes tormoil for his children.

Should the woman tolerate him? No.

Does this mean she should abandon him, hate him, ignore him? No.

Tolerance says the woman should ignore it, submit to him and let him continue to abuse his family and himself.

Love of neighbor says the woman should encourage the husband to get professional assistance, should remove the children from danger and should seek help herself.

Love does not equal giving into someone.

 

[Franciscan]

Truth with Love

not

Truth without Love

Love without Truth

True Christian charity calls for fraternal correction.

Today’s tolerance is different from the past. Today’s tolerance wants you to embrace sin and champion it.

Buffalo, good…It is about the commitment to truth> Love is but Tolerance is indifferent.

:bowdown2: :bowdown2: I just found this little gem on the matter…

Love is not tolerance by…
**
BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.**

 

[Franciscan]

Think of an alcoholic husband who physically abuses his wife and causes tormoil for his children.

Should the woman tolerate him? No.

Does this mean she should abandon him, hate him, ignore him? No.

Tolerance says the woman should ignore it, submit to him and let him continue to abuse his family and himself.

Love of neighbor says the woman should encourage the husband to get professional assistance, should remove the children from danger and should seek help herself.

Love does not equal giving into someone.

How would you apply this to Jihadists?

 

[buffalo]

Buffalo, good…It is about the commitment to truth> Love is but Tolerance is indifferent.

:bowdown2: :bowdown2: I just found this little gem on the matter…

Love is not tolerance by…

BISHOP FULTON J. SHEEN

Christian love bears evil, but it does not tolerate it.

It does penance for the sins of others, but it is not broadminded about sin.

The cry for tolerance never induces it to quench its hatred of the evil philosophies that have entered into contest with the Truth.

It forgives the sinner, and it hates the sin; it is unmerciful to the error in his mind.

The sinner it will always take back into the bosom of the Mystical Body;
but his lie will never be taken into the treasury of His Wisdom.

Real love involves real hatred:
whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples
has also lost a living, fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”;
it is not a species of sloppy sentiment.

Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God,
which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

:clapping: :tiphat: :bowdown:

Keep this one handy. I am sure you will need it many times here.

Gee, that Bishop Sheen - he was all over it wasn’t he? :tiphat:

 

[hasikelee]

How would you apply this to Jihadists?

Are you wondering how to tolerate a Jihadist?

 

[Franciscan]

Are you wondering how to tolerate a Jihadist?

No. I don’t tolerate Jihadists.
I thought your point was good (in it you suggested stay with him and help him get help-implying that there ius still something good and reasonable about him.)

but if we take that logic and apply it to something bigger/people who seemoly can not be reasoned with…

Let’s pretend your husband (who im sure is a wonderful man) is secretly an Al Quaida operative. What would you do? Pray for his conversion. Turn him in. Or tolerate his weak sinful inclinations. Have him seek counseling?

How do we love our enemies when they are so evil? It’s hard to separate the sina and the sinner when they identify with the sin on a religious level

 

[YACatholic]

What’s the difference.

The secular culture calls for tolerance

and Jesus calls for Love of neighbor.

Whats the diff?

Tolerance is telling everyone that what they are doing is acceptable.
Love is telling someone that you care about them, and speaking the truth to them (if necessary) in hopes they enjoy their eternal reward.

Comments welcome

God Bless

YACatholic:thumbsup:

 

[hasikelee]

No. I don’t tolerate Jihadists.
I thought your point was good (in it you suggested stay with him and help him get help-implying that there ius still something good and reasonable about him.)

but if we take that logic and apply it to something bigger/people who seemoly can not be reasoned with…

Let’s pretend your husband (who im sure is a wonderful man) is secretly an Al Quaida operative. What would you do? Pray for his conversion. Turn him in. Or tolerate his weak sinful inclinations. Have him seek counseling?

How do we love our enemies when they are so evil? It’s hard to separate the sina and the sinner when they identify with the sin on a religious level

Well, I think alcoholics were a good analogy because they often can’t be reasoned with at all. This is the same for domestic abusers, all substance abusers, child molesters, etc. They often deny the abuse, deny their culpability and refuse to get help.

I also think a clear difference exists between true anger and personal anger.

For example, a lot of people point to the Biblical command to “turn the other cheek” as somehow being a call to tolerance. But they conveniently forget the rest of the passage, where Jesus uses the law to protect himself and his disciples from other people.

What we are dealing with here is a call to put down our personal righteousness, our personal arrogance and leave it up to God. That does not mean, however, that we are to let other hurt us or use us as a doormat.

This can be a really hard concept for people, and even harder to achieve. I only have one experience with it. It did give me insight into this and I can say it’s possible to forgive and to love while still pursuing protection and justice.

 

[Franciscan]

Well, I think alcoholics were a good analogy because they often can’t be reasoned with at all. This is the same for domestic abusers, all substance abusers, child molesters, etc. They often deny the abuse, deny their culpability and refuse to get help.

I also think a clear difference exists between true anger and personal anger.

For example, a lot of people point to the Biblical command to “turn the other cheek” as somehow being a call to tolerance. But they conveniently forget the rest of the passage, where Jesus uses the law to protect himself and his disciples from other people.

What we are dealing with here is a call to put down our personal righteousness, our personal arrogance and leave it up to God. That does not mean, however, that we are to let other hurt us or use us as a doormat.

This can be a really hard concept for people, and even harder to achieve. I only have one experience with it. It did give me insight into this and I can say it’s possible to forgive and to love while still pursuing protection and justice.

good.Thanks.