toll houses?

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Some Orthodox believe that after death, the soul goes through “toll houses”, where demons try to take the soul to hell on account of its sins, if they were not repented of…

I was wondering, is it consistent with the Catholic teachings to say that after death, the soul might encounter demons and that they take the unrepentant soul to hell? I don’t mean literal “toll houses”, but is the whole concept behind it legitimate? The reason I’m asking is because there are several early Church Fathers who mentioned something like this (though they did not explain it in detail)

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That’s interesting - I had never heard of that.

However, it is not consistent with Catholic teaching. The Church says that our fate is determined at the moment of our death. If we die in a state of Grace (ie, not in mortal sin) then we go to heaven (but possibly via purgatory if there are venial sins to atone for). If we are not in a state of Grace then we go straight to hell. Thus, demons cannot influence our fate.
 
Original NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Chocolate Chip Cookies
Code: 
              				http://www.verybestbaking.com/Assets/img/logo_nestle-toll-house_mini.png                                               			 										                  					Prep:15 minsCooking:9 minsCooling:15 minsYields:60 				
                       					                                                                  This famous classic American cookie is a treat no matter what the age or occasion.  Enjoy it with a glass of cold milk.
			
                                      				 					**Ingredients**
  • 2 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
  • 1 teaspoon baking soda
  • 1 teaspoon salt
  • 1 cup (2 sticks) butter, softened
  • 3/4 cup granulated sugar
  • 3/4 cup packed brown sugar
  • 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
  • 2 large eggs
  • 2 cups (12-oz. pkg.) NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Semi-Sweet Chocolate Morsels
  • 1 cup chopped nuts
    Code: 
      		 					**Directions**

  											 					                         **PREHEAT** oven to 375° F.
COMBINE flour, baking soda and salt in small bowl. Beat butter, granulated sugar, brown sugar and vanilla extract in large mixer bowl until creamy. Add eggs, one at a time, beating well after each addition. Gradually beat in flour mixture. Stir in morsels and nuts. Drop by rounded tablespoon onto ungreased baking sheets.

BAKE for 9 to 11 minutes or until golden brown. Cool on baking sheets for 2 minutes; remove to wire racks to cool completely.

PAN COOKIE VARIATION: Grease 15 x 10-inch jelly-roll pan. Prepare dough as above. Spread into prepared pan. Bake for 20 to 25 minutes or until golden brown. Cool in pan on wire rack. Makes 4 dozen bars.

SLICE AND BAKE COOKIE VARIATION:
PREPARE dough as above. Divide in half; wrap in waxed paper. Refrigerate for 1 hour or until firm. Shape each half into 15-inch log; wrap in wax paper. Refrigerate for 30 minutes.* Preheat oven to 375° F. Cut into 1/2-inch-thick slices; place on ungreased baking sheets. Bake for 8 to 10 minutes or until golden brown. Cool on baking sheets for 2 minutes; remove to wire racks to cool completely. Makes about 5 dozen cookies.
  • May be stored in refrigerator for up to 1 week or in freezer for up to 8 weeks.
FOR HIGH ALTITUDE BAKING (5,200 feet): Increase flour to 2 1/2 cups. Add 2 teaspoons water with flour and reduce both granulated sugar and brown sugar to 2/3 cup each. Bake drop cookies for 8 to 10 minutes and pan cookie for 17 to 19 minutes.
Code: 
                                					** 						Nutritional Information 					**
  • Serving Size
    1/60 of recipe
  • **Calories **110
  • **Calories from Fat **60
    Code: 
      											 						* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
  											 						[Learn more](http://www.verybestbaking.com/recipes/18476/Original-NESTL%C3%89-TOLL-HOUSE-Chocolate-Chip-Cookies/detail.aspx?p=1&showphoto=false#) 					
  			 						**% Daily Value ***
  • Total Fat 7g 10%
  • Saturated Fat 3.5g 17%
  • Cholesterol 15mg 5%
  • Sodium 85mg 4%
  • Carbohydrates 14g 5%
  • Dietary Fiber 1g 3%
  • Sugars 10g
  • Protein 2g
  • Vitamin A 2%
  • Vitamin C 0%
  • Calcium 0%
  • Iron 2%
verybestbaking.com/recipes/18476/Original-NESTL%C3%89-TOLL-HOUSE-Chocolate-Chip-Cookies/detail.aspx?p=1&showphoto=false
 
Mary, - lol! 😃

Do you think that it could be that demons try to attack the soul after death though? especially if it is going to hell… ? I think if a soul is saved, demons can’t change its fate and it will go to heaven - but can they still try to attack anyways? I’m just trying to link all this to the early Church Fathers…
 
J.M.J.
Well, I’m not sure if it helps, but I have often heard of saints or people who have died that have been on the brink of being sentenced to Hell forever, when miraculously the Virgin Mary or someone else grants for them a second chance. It seems to me like at each of our particular judgements there could possibly be demons who are trying to gain our souls (Satan is called “the accuser of our brothers”), as well as saints pleading on our behalf. This could be something very different from what you are talking about, but perhaps not?

That said, I think that ultimately private revelations must be submitted to the Church. That is how we are able to distinguish between the true and false apparitions of Our Lady. The Church has to guide us through these things - there are just so many factors that have to be considered.

I have to go! god bless,
 
Sorry! I think I confused your two threads a little bit in my answer. I was also thinking about your comments on the other thread about the private revelations and miracles of the Orthodox saints. I’m not sure what to think about those either; I’m unwilling to say that they were works of the devil, but I also know that you need to stay with the Church, and that finally She is where the Holy Spirit and His miracles’ true home are (St. Cyril, one of my favorite Eastern Fathers, wrote that: “Where the Church is, there also is the Holy Spirit.”).

It is interesting though. I think it’s possible that these Eastern saints were misled about the Church, and that God was able to work around their ignorance, but that’s just a thought; I really don’t know.

God bless (again!)
 
The Orthodox like their incense, long beards, and chocolate chip cookies! 😃 After looking at the chunky priests we have at our parish, I think the Catholic priests like 'em, too! :eek:
Catholic90 said:
Original NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Chocolate Chip Cookies
Code: 
              				http://www.verybestbaking.com/Assets/img/logo_nestle-toll-house_mini.png                                               			 										                  					Prep:15 minsCooking:9 minsCooling:15 minsYields:60 				
                       					                                                                  This famous classic American cookie is a treat no matter what the age or occasion.  Enjoy it with a glass of cold milk.
			
                                      				 					**Ingredients**
  • 2 1/4 cups all-purpose flour
  • 1 teaspoon baking soda
  • 1 teaspoon salt
  • 1 cup (2 sticks) butter, softened
  • 3/4 cup granulated sugar
  • 3/4 cup packed brown sugar
  • 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
  • 2 large eggs
  • 2 cups (12-oz. pkg.) NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Semi-Sweet Chocolate Morsels
  • 1 cup chopped nuts
    Code: 
      		 					**Directions**

  											 					                         **PREHEAT** oven to 375° F.
COMBINE flour, baking soda and salt in small bowl. Beat butter, granulated sugar, brown sugar and vanilla extract in large mixer bowl until creamy. Add eggs, one at a time, beating well after each addition. Gradually beat in flour mixture. Stir in morsels and nuts. Drop by rounded tablespoon onto ungreased baking sheets.

BAKE for 9 to 11 minutes or until golden brown. Cool on baking sheets for 2 minutes; remove to wire racks to cool completely.

PAN COOKIE VARIATION: Grease 15 x 10-inch jelly-roll pan. Prepare dough as above. Spread into prepared pan. Bake for 20 to 25 minutes or until golden brown. Cool in pan on wire rack. Makes 4 dozen bars.

SLICE AND BAKE COOKIE VARIATION:
PREPARE dough as above. Divide in half; wrap in waxed paper. Refrigerate for 1 hour or until firm. Shape each half into 15-inch log; wrap in wax paper. Refrigerate for 30 minutes.* Preheat oven to 375° F. Cut into 1/2-inch-thick slices; place on ungreased baking sheets. Bake for 8 to 10 minutes or until golden brown. Cool on baking sheets for 2 minutes; remove to wire racks to cool completely. Makes about 5 dozen cookies.
  • May be stored in refrigerator for up to 1 week or in freezer for up to 8 weeks.
FOR HIGH ALTITUDE BAKING (5,200 feet): Increase flour to 2 1/2 cups. Add 2 teaspoons water with flour and reduce both granulated sugar and brown sugar to 2/3 cup each. Bake drop cookies for 8 to 10 minutes and pan cookie for 17 to 19 minutes.
Code: 
                                					** 						Nutritional Information 					**
  • Serving Size
    1/60 of recipe
  • **Calories **110
  • **Calories from Fat **60
    Code: 
      											 						* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2000 calorie diet.
  											 						[Learn more](http://www.verybestbaking.com/recipes/18476/Original-NESTL%C3%89-TOLL-HOUSE-Chocolate-Chip-Cookies/detail.aspx?p=1&showphoto=false#) 					
  			 						**% Daily Value ***
  • Total Fat 7g 10%
  • Saturated Fat 3.5g 17%
  • Cholesterol 15mg 5%
  • Sodium 85mg 4%
  • Carbohydrates 14g 5%
  • Dietary Fiber 1g 3%
  • Sugars 10g
  • Protein 2g
  • Vitamin A 2%
  • Vitamin C 0%
  • Calcium 0%
  • Iron 2%
verybestbaking.com/recipes/18476/Original-NESTL%C3%89-TOLL-HOUSE-Chocolate-Chip-Cookies/detail.aspx?p=1&showphoto=false
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LOL, You are Awesome Catholic90! I was just looking yesterday for that recipe and could not find it! The lord works in Mysterious ways! About actual Toll Houses though I agree with David Filmers post. Have a wonderful day all and God Bless!
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I thought it was about cookies too. How tempting during Lent! 😉
 
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