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Aping Protestant practice…you trot “Protestant” red herrings out far too much.

To anyone who wants a balanced read on this topic, see the following. And do look at the footnotes:

matt1618.freeyellow.com/communion.html
As I said - it DOES NOT MATTER if Communion in the hand was a former practice in the early Church. Read previous postings- Protestants reintroduced it to show heresy. In other words the practice, after years of suppression and then re-introduction by Heretics in order to show disbelief in the Real Presence and the Catholic priesthood shows A DIFFERENT MEANING than it did in the early Church.

Ken
 
It has nothing to do with personal preference. It actually is, you know. When you go up to receive Holy Communion, you have a choice. That means you exercise a preference.

Communion on the tongue is the norm. In the Hand is an INDULT. *And it exists virtually everywhere, including the Holy See. The Pope himself gives Communion in the hand to those who communicate at his hand. *
At the most recent Synod of Bishops, only one bishop spoke up in favor of banning the practice…one. But, a dead horse only smells better for being well and truly beaten, so swing away.
 
As I said - it DOES NOT MATTER if Communion in the hand was a former practice in the early Church. Read previous postings- Protestants reintroduced it to show heresy. In other words the practice, after years of suppression and then re-introduction by Heretics in order to show disbelief in the Real Presence and the Catholic priesthood shows A DIFFERENT MEANING than it did in the early Church.

Ken
But like the heresy that caused the Church to deny the Chalice to the laity, the Church apparently deems it NOW sufficiently dealt with. And the Church cannot promulgate or propose to the faithful an heretical discipline.

Protestants baptize in the name of the Holy Trinity, Protestants pray to Jesus, Protestants do lots of things that we do, things that they derive from our common heritage, things that derive from US, the Catholic Church. Just because a Protestant does something, even if it’s for a manifestly different reason, even if it’s a manifestly bad reason, doesn’t mean we can’t “do” the same action for a manifestly different reason or even a manifestly neutral reason.
 
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how did the apostles receive at the last supper?

No offense, but I don’t recall Jesus saying something along the lines of, “Here, let me feed you this bread”. To quote Matthew 26:26:
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"While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
And doesn’t the priest reflect Jesus’ words when he prays the following at each mass?
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Before he was given up to death, a death he freely accepted, he took bread and gave you thanks. He broke the bread, gave it to his disciples, and said: “Take this, all of you, and eat it: this is my body which will be given up for you.”

Is Jesus speaking here to the lay people or to His Bishops? So many liberals use this “Take and Eat” thing to justify Communion in the hand. Lest do they fail to tell us Jesus said this to His Apostles who were Bishops…not lay people.

Ken
 
But like the heresy that caused the Church to deny the Chalice to the laity, the Church apparently deems it NOW sufficiently dealt with. And the Church cannot promulgate or propose to the faithful an heretical discipline.

Protestants baptize in the name of the Holy Trinity, Protestants pray to Jesus, Protestants do lots of things that we do, things that they derive from our common heritage, things that derive from US, the Catholic Church. Just because a Protestant does something, even if it’s for a manifestly different reason, even if it’s a manifestly bad reason, doesn’t mean we can’t “do” the same action for a manifestly different reason or even a manifestly neutral reason.
But WHY OH WHY would you want to do something that is meant to mean heresy? Every action we do in public liturgy is to profess Catholic Teaching. Communion in the hand does not profess Catholic teaching.

Ken
 
Communion in the hand does not profess Catholic teaching.
I have to disagree. The Catholic Church teaches that Communion in the hand is a valid choice. It seems like many on this board are calling the Church “wrong” for making this change. I’d be willing to bet that Christ will not appreciate anyone making such a claim about His bride. And keep in mind, He gave the Church authority to make changes. “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Therefore, communion in the hand is valid in heaven, and on earth, regardless of our opinions to the contrary.
 
I have to disagree. The Catholic Church teaches that Communion in the hand is a valid choice. It seems like many on this board are calling the Church “wrong” for making this change. I’d be willing to bet that Christ will not appreciate anyone making such a claim about His bride. And keep in mind, He gave the Church authority to make changes. “Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” Therefore, communion in the hand is valid in heaven, and on earth, regardless of our opinions to the contrary.
Michael:

The expression “valid choice”, while tehnically correct, may be a bit misleading to some. Given the information in the links I posted earlier tonight, “tolerated exception” might be more accurate.

Servulus
 
Interesting thread.

I prefer to receive on the tounge, and have for about 7 years. I used to receive in the hand, but I started to feel very uncomfortable with the practice when I began noticing particles of the Host in my palm. I was horrified to think that I may have brushed off particles in the past without knowing it. And I also felt it would be better to receive on the tounge than to lick the particles off my palm in Mass. So I made the switch, and quite a few other people did so around the same time, for the same reasons.

Now about 1/2 of our Church receives Communion on the tounge, and our First Communicants have been taught that way as well.
 
Michael:

The expression “valid choice”, while tehnically correct, may be a bit misleading to some. Given the information in the links I posted earlier tonight, “tolerated exception” might be more accurate.

Servulus
If you really wish to be accurate, “valid (as opposed to invalid) choice” is more accurate than “tolerated exception”. At least Michael didn’t try to slant things. If you wish to be accurate, “approved indult”. would be more precise, which puts it in the same category as the TLM.
 
Is Jesus speaking here to the lay people or to His Bishops? So many liberals use this “Take and Eat” thing to justify Communion in the hand. Lest do they fail to tell us Jesus said this to His Apostles who were Bishops…not lay people.

Ken
And this is where one can appeal to tradition WITHOUT being guilty of antiquarianism, since one isn’t saying that we HAVE to do what the early Church did: it’s a very poor and illogical historical/traditional argument to say that He only meant the Apostles as Bishops if we then invoke the Apostolic Fathers and Patristic Fathers in our apologetics for our faith (which we constantly do). Why? Because reception in the hand by the laity WAS practiced in the Apostolic and Patristic Church, by the disciples of those Apostles. The argument that only the Apostles could receive by hand seems to have been refuted by Apostolic/Patristic practice. Again, I’m not saying we HAVE to have Communion in the hand because the ancient Church had it. I’m saying that since the Apostolic Church had it, it must have been an Apostolic practice. That’s not “liberal,” that’s simply history and logic.
 
If you really wish to be accurate, “valid (as opposed to invalid) choice” is more accurate than “tolerated exception”. At least Michael didn’t try to slant things. If you wish to be accurate, “approved indult”. would be more precise, which puts it in the same category as the TLM.
There was no attempt to slant. If one reviews the chain of events leading to the current practice, the tension surrounding this issue becomes clearer. This essay is a good example:

members.iinet.net.au/~raphael/hand.html
 
What you do is right before the our father is cough in your hands making sure you cover them with spittle an mucus from you nose-i find that eliminates any discussion on whether we should hands…
You know, that’s exactly why I want to receive from the priest or deacon!
YUCK! holding hands?!?!
 
And this is where one can appeal to tradition WITHOUT being guilty of antiquarianism, since one isn’t saying that we HAVE to do what the early Church did: it’s a very poor and illogical historical/traditional argument to say that He only meant the Apostles as Bishops if we then invoke the Apostolic Fathers and Patristic Fathers in our apologetics for our faith (which we constantly do). Why? Because reception in the hand by the laity WAS practiced in the Apostolic and Patristic Church, by the disciples of those Apostles. The argument that only the Apostles could receive by hand seems to have been refuted by Apostolic/Patristic practice. Again, I’m not saying we HAVE to have Communion in the hand because the ancient Church had it. I’m saying that since the Apostolic Church had it, it must have been an Apostolic practice. That’s not “liberal,” that’s simply history and logic.
👍 👍 I couldn’t have said it better myself! Thanks!
 
But WHY OH WHY would you want to do something that is meant to mean heresy? Every action we do in public liturgy is to profess Catholic Teaching. Communion in the hand does not profess Catholic teaching.

Ken
Not only is it not meant to be heresy, it CAN’T be heresy. The Church cannot propose to or promulgate for the faithful any discipline that could lead them to impiety. That’s a traditional view which you seem to rather selectively reject while upholding other ones that you like (the point was promulgated by the Council of Trent). And again, just because Protestants receive in the hand for heretical reasons doesn’t mean that Catholics cannot receive in the hand for non-heretical reasons. The action of receiving Holy Communion in the hand is, of itself, morally neutral. It can be vested with heretical intent or it can be vested with perfectly orthodox intent. And restricting reception to the tongue cannot definitively rule out heresy on the part of the recepient…or the priest for that matter. And if it is permitted by the Catholic Church as a discipline (even the disciplines are protected by a negative infallibility), it most assuredly DOES profess Catholic teaching.

Here’s a link that might help you:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=44878&postcount=1
 
***“Approaching do not come with thy palms stretched flat nor with fingers separated. But making thy left hand a seat for thy right, and hollowing thy palm, receive the Body of Christ, responding Amen. And having with care hallowed thine eyes by the touch of the Holy Body, take it, vigilant lest thou drop any of it. For shouldst thou lose any of it, it is as though thou wast deprived of a member of thy own body.” “Then after Communion of the Body of Christ, approach the Chalice of His Blood, not extending thy hands, but bending low, and with adoration and reverence saying Amen, sanctify thyself by receiving also the Blood of Christ. And while thy lips are yet wet, touch them with thy hands, and sanctify thy eyes and thy forehead and thy other senses” ***

This seems very abusive in itself to rub the Prescious Blood on parts of your face. No wonder it was banned altogether.

Ken
You are very close to the truth on that. Not only did they "sanctify"themselves with the Blood, it got to the point where they would dip clothing and other articles in it, rub it in their hair, stand in front of the congregation and let it drip out of their mouth into their hands and rub it all over their bodies.etc. Those practices along with the belief that you** HAD** to receive under both species in order to get the full benefit of Holy Communion were the main reasons that the Chalice was taken away from the laity.

It is of interest to note that on this very forum I’ve seen threads dealing with the Precious Blood in which posters believe that you have to receive under both species.

As they say ’ Old heresies never die, they just hide for a while"
 
I personally like to receive communion on the tongue. I suppose that’s just always the way I’ve done it. But I’ve wondered as I see people receiving communion in hand, is there a reason why people prefer it?

I’ve heard some people cite hygienic reasons before. Is everyone in that school of thought?

I used to think it mattered that we should receive only on the tongue - now, I think it is more important not to fight and hate and squabble about it. The Eucharist has given rise to so much disunity - yet it is the sacrament of unity. IMO, we should let each receive as he wishes, for the Church allows both. There is, after all, reverence to Christ in not imposing our own ideas of reverence on others.​

Everything else I thought of saying has been said already, in post 5 🙂 ##
 
And this is where one can appeal to tradition WITHOUT being guilty of antiquarianism, since one isn’t saying that we HAVE to do what the early Church did: it’s a very poor and illogical historical/traditional argument to say that He only meant the Apostles as Bishops if we then invoke the Apostolic Fathers and Patristic Fathers in our apologetics for our faith (which we constantly do). Why? Because reception in the hand by the laity WAS practiced in the Apostolic and Patristic Church, by the disciples of those Apostles. The argument that only the Apostles could receive by hand seems to have been refuted by Apostolic/Patristic practice. Again, I’m not saying we HAVE to have Communion in the hand because the ancient Church had it. I’m saying that since the Apostolic Church had it, it must have been an Apostolic practice. That’s not “liberal,” that’s simply history and logic.
After the word “Apostles,” I meant to say “and their successors.”
 
You are very close to the truth on that. Not only did they "sanctify"themselves with the Blood, it got to the point where they would dip clothing and other articles in it, rub it in their hair, stand in front of the congregation and let it drip out of their mouth into their hands and rub it all over their bodies.etc. Those practices along with the belief that you** HAD** to receive under both species in order to get the full benefit of Holy Communion were the main reasons that the Chalice was taken away from the laity.

It is of interest to note that on this very forum I’ve seen threads dealing with the Precious Blood in which posters believe that you have to receive under both species.

As they say ’ Old heresies never die, they just hide for a while"
Fortunately, heresies can be combated with good catechesis of sound teaching.
 
Pax vobiscum!

What about any crumbs that might get on our hands when we recieve? The priest uses the same two fingers (or three in the old rite, I believe) to administer Communion. He then makes sure that any crumbs left on his fingers from touching the host go into the chalice before he cleans it, so that none of the Body of Christ falls to the ground or anywhere else. For those of you who recieve on the hand, what do you do to ensure that no part of the host falls? Remember, Christ is fully present in ALL of the host, so even if it is just a tiny little piece too small to really see, it is still Christ that is falling to the ground.

In Christ,
Rand

He is fully present in every Christian too. He is present in us by the Spirit - just as He is present in the Eucharist by the same Spirit.​

AFAICS, the important difference berween the Christian and the Consecrated Host is, that in the Host He is present substantially - which He is not, in the Christian. But the same Christ is present through the power of the same Holy & Life-giving Spirit in both.

I’m not sure that dropped fragments of the Host are anything to worry about. I can see that ill-treating living men, who are renewed according to His likeness, does matter. ##
 
It’s obvious that we have to touch Him. However, I don’t think that His precious body should be handled by lay persons. I don’t like touching sacramentals more than absolutely necessary. Since Christ’s Body is so much more sacred than any sacramental, I don’t want to have to touch Him with my hand.
Isn’t **the Rosary **a sacramental 😃 ? ##
 
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