"tongues" as "initial evidence" with respect to the deaf and mute

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First, let me preface this post by saying that I’m not trying to sound wise, it’s a legitimate question I’m hoping to get some better insight into……

In some Christian paths, for a person to be ‘saved’, they must undergo a ‘spirit baptism’; this, in turn, is required to be ‘evidenced’ by a phenomenon called ‘speaking in tongues’. If, at some point, they do not start ‘speaking in tongues’, they are not truly ‘saved’ (I can’t think of the name(s) of these particular denominations - AoG maybe?).

Seems fairly straightforward, however, what happens if the individual in question is deaf or mute, or both, or, for whatever physical/mental reasons cannot produce speech (their own language or otherwise)??

i.e., what happens in this situation when a person undergoes a Spirit baptism, but (for whatever reason) is incapable of producing speech, thus is unable to demonstrate “initial evidence of tongues” that is required (or perhaps I should say…that they are, uh, “strongly encouraged” to produce)? Are they, in the eyes of the church, exempt from demonstrating ‘initial evidence of tongues’?

Do they speak “tongues” it in their head, are they somehow exempt from this requirement? How does it work with such individuals??

Yes, I know for some paths, “tongues” do not need to be evidenced; I’m asking about those traditions in which it is, for all intents and purposes, a “requirement” based upon their beliefs.

With respect to the deaf, as absurd as that seems, there was an adjunct professor at a (I believe) AoG seminary who wrote a paper on deaf people supposedly ‘signing in tongues’ as ‘initial evidence’- the paper, curiously enough, no longer appears to be available on the internet - glad I was able to read it before it ‘disappeared’. I thought it was a joke at first until I realized a short ways into the paper that she was totally serious. It’s been about a year or so since I’ve seen read her paper, and I honestly am still at a complete loss as to where to even begin to go with that concept. It reminded me of the whole ‘typing in tongues’ thing several years ago.

That said, as you may know, one can sign the alphabet, so essentially words can be spelled out - ASL ‘speakers’ use both the symbolic signs as well as spelling when ‘speaking’ (though it’s English, the rules of grammar are very different from the spoken language).

If a deaf person started to spell out ‘words’ only (and not use ‘symbol signs’ - I’m sure there’s a more proper word for those) which typified ‘tongues-speech’ when transcribed onto paper by a third party, I might say that they’re on to something; but to my knowledge, that has never happened. Given the nature of how modern tongues are produced, for a deaf person (or any person actually) to write down phonetically what came to their mind as they were ‘speaking’ is essentially impossible.
 
Cornelius and household were the first Gentiles to become Christian. They were given the gift of speaking in tongues. This does not mean they were indwelled by the HS. That comes with baptism when sins are washed away, Acts22:16, Acts36-41. I would say speaking in tongues is an actual grace not an habitual grace. The gift of speaking in tongues was given as a sign. So Peter and Jewish Christians with him would know God now accepts uncircumcised Gentiles. [Acts11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.]
I can’t find it not but as best as I can remember Moses and some leaders of Israel spoke in tongues once and never again.
In the OT a donkey was given the gift to speak. That does not mean he was saved and had the indwelling Holy Spirit. [2Pt2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Boor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.] The donkey spoke with a man’s voice by an actual grace gift of tongues The donkey was NOT indwelled by the Holy Spirit with habitual grace. The same with Cornelius, that’s why he was baptized to receive habitual grace the indwelling Holy Spirit.
 
There may be denominations and groups who think those who do not speak in tongues are not saved.
The Catholic Church is not among them.

If you wish the answer to the question “but how does that work for the deaf and mute?” you need to ask the people who hold this belief.
 
Yes, I know. Hence the reason why the question is posted here in the “non-Catholic” forum.
 
In some Christian paths, for a person to be ‘saved’, they must undergo a ‘spirit baptism’; this, in turn, is required to be ‘evidenced’ by a phenomenon called ‘speaking in tongues’. If, at some point, they do not start ‘speaking in tongues’, they are not truly ‘saved’ (I can’t think of the name(s) of these particular denominations - AoG maybe?).
First, we need to clarify some things. The Assemblies of God is a Pentecostal denomination. Pentecostal churches believe that speaking in tongues (glossolalia) is the “initial physical evidence” of the baptism in the Holy Spirit. This means that tongues is an immediate sign of Spirit baptism (there are other evidences).

At this point, we need to distinguish between the various Pentecostal groups. They are divided into 2 main categories: Trinitarian and Oneness. Trinitarian Pentecostal denominations (of which the AG is one) believe the following:
  1. “Salvation is received through repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ” (AG Fundamental Truths). The inner evidence of salvation is the direct witness of the Spirit (Romans 8:16) and the outer evidence is a life of righteousness and true holiness.
  2. The baptism in the Holy Spirit is an experience that is “distinct from and subsequent to” the new birth (i.e. conversion, regeneration, justification). In other words, you get saved and then you get filled with the Spirit.
  3. The purpose of Spirit baptism is not salvation–that is accomplished in the new birth. Spirit baptism is an “enduement of power for life and service, the bestowment of the gifts and their uses in the work of the ministry” (AG Fundamental Truths).
The AG does not believe that speaking in tongues is a requirement to be saved. Most members of the AG do not speak in tongues.

There are Oneness Pentecostals who do teach that Spirit baptism is a fundamental part of salvation, and in these churches, speaking in tongues (as evidence of Spirit baptism) is essentially required to be saved.These churches also consider a confession of faith and water baptism to be essential elements of salvation too.
 
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i.e., what happens in this situation when a person undergoes a Spirit baptism, but (for whatever reason) is incapable of producing speech, thus is unable to demonstrate “initial evidence of tongues” that is required (or perhaps I should say…that they are, uh, “strongly encouraged” to produce)? Are they, in the eyes of the church, exempt from demonstrating ‘initial evidence of tongues’?

Do they speak “tongues” it in their head, are they somehow exempt from this requirement? How does it work with such individuals??
As I understand it, few deaf people are physiologically mute. A deaf person would speak in tongues like anyone else would. They would open up their mouths and yield control of their vocal chords to the Spirit. I suppose they might also yield their hands to the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues using whatever sign language they know. But basically they would speak in tongues by speaking.

The AG has an entire system of deaf churches (National Deaf Culture Fellowship), so it’s apparently not a huge issue since Pentecostals actively evangelize this group of people.
 
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Thanks for the clarification on all counts - sounds like maybe it was the Oneness Pentecostal church.

Yeah, true - most completely deaf people can utter sounds (we’ll that’s not too fair sounding - many deaf people can speak just as well as someone who has full hearing). I guess I was thinking of those who have either great difficulty in producing speech or those who cannot.

Mute doesn’t necessarily mean deaf as well.
 
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Psalms 19:1-4The heavens are telling the glory of God;and the firmament proclaims his handiwork.
2 Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night declares knowledge 3 There is no speech, nor are there words;their voice is not heard;4 yet their voice goes out through all the earth,and their words to the end of the world.

John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such as these to worship him.

Lamentations 3:25-29 The Lord is good to those who wait for him,to the soul that seeks him.26 It is good that one should wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord.27 It is good for one to bear the yoke in youth,28 to sit alone in silence .when the Lord has imposed it,29 to put one’s mouth to the dust
(there may yet be hope),

WOW Amazing … God
 
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