Tongues with Respect to Real Language

[DebChris]

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What is common is the praying and singing in tongue, which is pretty much to up-build oneself or to enhance one’s prayers.

The purpose of the charisms, as stated, is not simply the outward expression of these gifts. It is the upbuilding of the Body of Christ. When it comes to singing and praying in tongues, we are talking about the enhancement of an individual’s prayer life. Since prayer is communication with God, a lifting up of the heart and mind to God, that means an improved relationship with God, and spiritual growth.
God knows me better than I know myself. The Holy Spirit expresses through me what I could not otherwise express.

 

[Reuben_J]

The purpose of the charisms, as stated, is not simply the outward expression of these gifts. It is the upbuilding of the Body of Christ. When it comes to singing and praying in tongues, we are talking about the enhancement of an individual’s prayer life. Since prayer is communication with God, a lifting up of the heart and mind to God, that means an improved relationship with God, and spiritual growth.
God knows me better than I know myself. The Holy Spirit expresses through me what I could not otherwise express.

 

[Smokey3]

Hi. I think it was Duqense University in Ann Arbor, Michigan. And yes, the original people who were originally involved in the first Catholic Charismatic Renewal are still alive. I have lost contact with some of them but I am not surprised if some were not around anymore.

This year is the Golden Jubilee (fifty years anniversary) of the Renewal in the Catholic Church. There is a big do in Rome at Pentecost , next month (May) this year, to celebrate this. About five hundred thousand to one million people may come. And Pope Francis is personally involved in overseeing the celebration. So it will be an exciting time.

Much of the speaking in tongue is hearsay. I have not heard where one speaks in tongue and the other hears it in his/her own language. I don’t think that it is not happening, only that if it is, it is extremely rare. However, people do make a big deal out of it, especially those who are against the Renewal.

What is common is the praying and singing in tongue, which is pretty much to up-build oneself or to enhance one’s prayers.

My comment was neither yea nor nay about it.

Yup, it was the 50th anniversary.

I found a write up about what I saw, no video. My memory wasn’t perect, but pretty good considering I wasn’t trying to remembrer. It was on CBN.

www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/february/how-a-few-college-kids-ignited-a-worldwide-charismatic-movement

There are a couple of names of the people involved in the article if the OP wanted to investigate.

pax

 

[grannymh]

My comment was neither yea nor nay about it.

Yup, it was the 50th anniversary.

I found a write up about what I saw, no video. My memory wasn’t perect, but pretty good considering I wasn’t trying to remembrer. It was on CBN.

www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2017/february/how-a-few-college-kids-ignited-a-worldwide-charismatic-movement

There are a couple of names of the people involved in the article if the OP wanted to investigate.

pax

Thank you sincerely.

There may be a couple of questions about parts of this genuine link. Most likely, I can provide explanations.

 

[DebChris]

The purpose of any language is communication.
When an individual seeks to study a second language, the reason is to better communicate with others without the same primary language. Every language has its own structure. A primarily English speaker may struggle with certain Arabic sounds and vice versa. Of special note is the Arab sound that lies somewhere between the English b and p sound. It is challenging for English speakers while in Arabic, there is no p.
Sentence structure varies among languages. The native speaker is comfortable with the rhythm of the mother tongue. As a young student, I was taught to play music for the country whose language I was trying to learn as a tool to help learn the rhythm of the language. Study German, then play German music. Study French, then play French music in the background.
A young child looks does not see language so much as French, German, Japanese, or Arabic. Instead, the young child whose voice chords have not quite developed want to communicate with butcher, baker, or the store keeper who has candy to sell. They don’t really think about the structure of the language as they communicate with the people in their live. Language fluency develops through repetition and usage.

The charism of tongues is not a learned language. It retains the idea of communication with God. When it moves to the assembly, it requires an interpreter so that “all may be edified.” My Filipino friends speak Tagalog, of which I don’t know a single word. It has no meaning to me. If I need to know anything, like when it’s time to eat, somebody will take the time to let me know what I need to do to enjoy the occasion. When I worked in a factory, I was able to provide necessary instruction using a smattering of Spanish to workers unloading trucks. The difference between the interaction I had with friends and those with whom I worked versus the charism of tongues and interpretation comes in the first being learned and the second simply being a gift.
The gift comes without the physical challenges of age. There is no learning curve, since no new language is learned, in terms of putting into it mental effect or study. That is true whether a person is talking about speaking in tongues or the interpretation itself. The individual knows the knowledge comes from a Power greater than he/she has. It is the child open to communicate with God, open to the spiritual changes that come as a result of lifting up hearts and minds to God, a better spiritual relationship with the Father.

 

[sduff1721]

Hi, I am by far no expert on tongues but I did want to mention that since tongues are the work of the Holy Spirit it is entirely possible for your scenario to possible/plausible. That being said there are two sides to tongues, speaking in tongues and interpretation of tounges they are amongst the charism or charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit
-Word of wisdom
-Word of knowledge
-Faith
-Gifts of healings
-Miracles
-Prophecy
-Distinguishing between spirits
-Tongues
-Interpretation of tongues

So Interpretation of tongues is in and of itself a gift of the Holy Spirit so the party could very well be “interpreting” what the party praying over them is say thus fully understanding this. They could also interpret as the third party as well. The example I can give is that I was being prayed over by one person in tongues and I couldn’t understand what he was saying, my friend standing right beside me could, however, something we found after the fact when talking about it. To me, it sounded like a language to I didn’t know but to her, she heard plain English and told me that she heard him saying Trust in the Lord, He knows the desires of your heart. So what I am getting at is that if someone is blessed with the gift of interpretation of tongues the yes they should be able to hear it in their own language. If the third party was nearby and didn’t have the gift then probably not. If the third party did have the gift of interpretation my answer would be not unless God intended for the message He was giving to the initial person to be known to anyone besides that person and the person he was using to give the message through the Holy Spirit.

On a separate not there are times when my mom prays over me in tongues and she has moments that during praying in tongues she will say some things in English (out of tongues) before returning to tongues. It is a very fluid and uninterrupted sounding. The fact could be claimed that maybe for those moments I have interpretation of tongues since I understand that on not the rest, but I don’t think this is the case because she does the same praying over my sister.

On the note of studying it, outside the clergy doing so for authentification purposes which they would deem when and what needs authentification of if it needs just the same as deeming miracles miracles process, tongues are a gift are to be used as such, not to show off or be put on display in a ‘look what I can do manner’

hope this was helpful

Yours in Christ

Shannon

ps sorry for any typos was really late when I typed this also sorry if this has any repetitive info didn’t read everyone’s responses