too little too late

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I hope I don’t get yelled at here but I think that the Pope relaxing the regulations (if this is the right way to put it) on saying the TLM is too little too late.
The pastor of my parish said that we probably will not have the TLM here because there are no priest who can say the mass. So the relaxing the rules is about 30 years too late IMHO.
Just me venting.
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Jeanne
 
You won’t get ‘yelled at’ by me. Having priests that are properly trained in the Tridentine Mass is very important, and I think your pastor is very wise in making sure such priests are available before plunging ahead.

Perhaps you could help him out by contacting your Bishop and asking if such training is going to be offered in your Diocese?

Either way, aren’t you blessed to be able to go to MASS?? I think about those people in parts of the world who walk 20 or 30 miles to participate in the Holy Sacrifice and I am slightly ashamed of myself for being unhappy that a particular way to celebrate is not as available as I would like it to be - mea culpa. I tell you, we are spoiled here…and boy, don’t I know it!
 
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Perhaps you could help him out by contacting your Bishop and asking if such training is going to be offered in your Diocese?

Either way, aren’t you blessed to be able to go to MASS?? I think about those people in parts of the world who walk 20 or 30 miles to participate in the Holy Sacrifice and I am slightly ashamed of myself for being unhappy that a particular way to celebrate is not as available as I would like it to be - mea culpa. I tell you, we are spoiled here…and boy, don’t I know it!
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A good idea. And yes your are right. Something for me to think about. We are lucky to have a Mass at all. Where I live there are 5 Catholic churches in about 20 minutes drive in different directions and I would hope that between all of them we would get enough people who want a TLM and maybe a priest who could say the Mass rotating in different churches.

God Bless
Jeanne
 
I think we all have to face the fact that we are not going to see an increase in the Tridentine Mass for about another 25 to 40 years or so. It’s simply our misfortune to be living during this particular period.

It will return, that much is assured; there are enough young seminarians and laypeople who are sick and tired of the current Low Church phase we’re dealing with right now, and as time goes by, they will increase in enough numbers that the Tridentine form will either predominate or will exist beside a properly-celebrated Novus Ordo as it was originally envisioned, and the EPM (the abuse-laden, improperly-celebrated Experimental-Progressive Mass) will eventually become extinct.

For the young folks in their teens and twenties right now, and especially for the children, by the time they’re about ready to retire, they will see a vastly different Church than the one we now have—one that more closely resembles the Church of 1870 than 1970; but for old guys like me, I don’t expect to see a properly-celebrated Mass this side of the grave. All we can do is support the groundwork that’s being laid; we won’t live long enough to see the completed building.
 
I don’t think too little, too late. It will take time but will grow. I am blessed to have an pastor (mid 50’s) who recently completed training to say the Extraordinary Rite and is starting this Advent for daily Mass.

The main thing is to ask for it, and continue to ask for it. Write your bishop and ask for it. If it is not asked for, the Bishops and priests don’t have to and won’t provide it.
 
To the man who’s will is united to God’s will, nothing is misfortune 🙂

I read this little passage from St. Paul of the Cross on his feast day Saturday. I am going to try and remember it whenever I am tempted to give into the feelings of woe:

“It is very good and holy to consider the passion of our Lord, and to meditate on it, for by this sacred path we reach union with God. In this most holy school we learn true wisdom, for it was there that all the saints learned it. Therefore, be constant in practicing every virtue, and especially in imitating the patience of our dear Jesus, for this is the summit of pure love. Live in such a way that all may know that you bear outwardly as well as inwardly the image of Christ crucified, the model of all gentleness and mercy. For if a man is united inwardly with the Son of the living God, he also bears his likeness outwardly by his continual practice of heroic goodness, and especially through a patience reinforced by courage, which does not complain either secretly or in public. Conceal yourselves in Jesus crucified, and hope for nothing except that all men be thoroughly converted to his will.”
 
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To the man who’s will is united to God’s will, nothing is misfortune 🙂

I read this little passage from St. Paul of the Cross on his feast day Saturday. I am going to try and remember it whenever I am tempted to give into the feelings of woe:

“It is very good and holy to consider the passion of our Lord, and to meditate on it, for by this sacred path we reach union with God. In this most holy school we learn true wisdom, for it was there that all the saints learned it. Therefore, be constant in practicing every virtue, and especially in imitating the patience of our dear Jesus, for this is the summit of pure love. Live in such a way that all may know that you bear outwardly as well as inwardly the image of Christ crucified, the model of all gentleness and mercy. For if a man is united inwardly with the Son of the living God, he also bears his likeness outwardly by his continual practice of heroic goodness, and especially through a patience reinforced by courage, which does not complain either secretly or in public. Conceal yourselves in Jesus crucified, and hope for nothing except that all men be thoroughly converted to his will.”
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Excellent words! It is never too late to hope for holiness and all of the good things God has planned for us unless we are already dead. I’m grateful to have any mass and the ability to practice my faith.

I read a book about Catholic military chaplains. One who had served in Saudi Arabia told a story about celebrating mass under an open-sided tent next to a fence to their compound. A Filipino civilian worker spent the whole time pressed to the fence and trying to participate as best as he could. The Saudis won’t allow our military chaplains to give sacraments to non-military Catholics, so the priest could not even walk over and give this man the Eucharist when he was so obviously Catholic and yearning for it. Situations like this put the smaller things like not getting exactly the liturgy that I might want all of the time into perspective for me. I could have nothing at all.
 
JeanneH said:
Hi,
I hope I don’t get yelled at here but I think that the Pope relaxing the regulations (if this is the right way to put it) on saying the TLM is too little too late.
The pastor of my parish said that we probably will not have the TLM here because there are no priest who can say the mass. So the relaxing the rules is about 30 years too late IMHO.
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There’s an important difference between a mistake and a decision which has some negative consequences.
So the long ban on the TLM has obviously had some negative consequences, such as a generation of priests unable to say it, often unable even to read Latin fluently. But that doesn’t mean that in the context of the whole church it wasn’t the right thing to do. One positive thing is that we now value the old rite of the Mass.
Maybe it is a bit like the change to the Coca Cola formula they made a few years ago. Old Coke was pulled, and people were drinking the new formula and being sick in the streets. Eventually the old Coke came back, to popular acclaim. Its slide in market share was halted.
 
To end the hypocracy of those priests who wish not to celebrate this venerable rite TLM nor learn it, I hope the Pope require them mandatorily to learn the TLM whether they like it or not.

Pax
 
Ad_Deum said:
To end the hypocracy of those priests who wish not to celebrate this venerable rite TLM nor learn it, I hope the Pope require them mandatorily to learn the TLM whether they like it or not.

Pax
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That’s pretty much what happened with the Novus Ordo. And the results weren’t too pretty. A lot of priests left.

Personally I think it’s in the pastor/priest’s best interest to pick up being able to say a different rite or even a different vernacular NO. Certainly puts him in more demand and who doesn’t want that?
 
We will be very blest if we get both the sung Latin High Mass and the NO celebrated properly. I lived through 30 years when we had Latin Low Masses and pray the Lord they never return. I suppose you could say that even a low Mass offers the Graces, but it sure was rarely what I would call uplifting compared to the sung High Mass and solemn High Mass in Latin.
 
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