Too Many EMHC's?

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The layering is that you don’t get a say in any level, except where you choose to attend and pay; proper succession is that you may or may not succeed in having your preference heard. Based on previous conversations here, you’d be lucky that the opinion even reaches the table of the Arch, and nearly a papal candidate should anyone care to act based on having heard it.

On the other hand, any number of new innovations need no approval, just a pastor willing to look the other way or better yet, encourage it to be ‘modern, unique, and relevant’… no layers and no succession.

Just my opinion/experience. Most likely you’d be better off trying to get milk from a turnip, and looked upon with less suspicion (even if you did it during Mass at the front of the church).
 
Actually, I really rather doubt your Archbishop would be delighted to receive objections.

The decision is his as it is vested in him – and he quite well knows this decision is vested in him…because he knows how to read the dispositve texts, in their layering, in proper succession.
My tongue was in my cheek Father.

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A parish in my town has an amazing amount of EMHCs
They parade up around the altar, have giant sashes and huge crosses around thier Necks. Maybe 20 for a Mass of 300.
I timed it one Sunday. 3:25 to distribute to the EMHCs and about 3:00 for distribution to the attendees.

Granted the church is huge compared to the attendance but dang!!!
 
Oh, I’m sure he wouldn’t.

He’s not my Arch.
I’m not his charge.

I do live in the jurisdiction of an Arch, but I am likewise not his subject, since I am of the Roman Rite. I am pretty sure, in any case, that the Byzantine *Metro Arch *in whose jurisdiction I reside would not forbid intinction.

Cheers,
tee
I guess the sarcasm detector is broken today. 🤷
 
Tell it to the Archbishop. :compcoff:
He has a PhD in liturgy.
Again, talk to the Arch.
This is his directive. We obey.
I’m sure he’d be delighted to hear your objections.
I guess the sarcasm detector is broken today. 🤷
The first time I brushed it off as sarcasm.

But after your second, desperate grasp for attention*, I had to consider that you might be serious.

(* Before responding, please make sure your snark detector has been properly calibrated 😛 )

ObOnTopic: I really hardly ever care how many EMsHC are used, even though were it up to me, I’d generally prefer there be fewer. What does bug me is when the EMsHC seem not to understand occasions when they may not be needed due to a surplus of Ordinary Ministers (concelebrants, deacons, et cetera)

Love,
tee
 
We have to stop jumping on people who use this term. Even priests refer to EMHCs as Eucharistic Ministers and it’s the term used in a lot of parish bulletins.

Not everyone has read Redemptionis Sacramentum. Heck, I doubt that all priests have read that document.
I don’t agree with you. EMHC’s are NOT Eucharistic Ministers and it should be pointed out to anyone who uses that term for an EMHC.
I will continue to point that out every time I see that term misused.
 
I don’t agree with you. EMHC’s are NOT Eucharistic Ministers and it should be pointed out to anyone who uses that term for an EMHC.
I will continue to point that out every time I see that term misused.
But think how it makes a new poster feel to be scolded. There are ways to let the person know without making them feel an inch tall. I’d venture to say that most Catholics don’t know anything about Church documents except perhaps the odd encyclical. They can’t be expected to have read documents that deal with minutia like what to call EMHCs. Remember that when EMHCs were first introduced the English document called them “Special Ministers of the Eucharist.”
 
Regardless of terminology, we know what the OP is talking about…
 
Regardless of terminology, we know what the OP is talking about…
Indeed, there’s nothing “Extraordinary” about Eucharistic Ministers in typical Ordinary Form Roman Rite parishes anyway in my experience. I’ve never been to a Catholic Mass in the Ordinary Form in the last 30 years that didn’t include at least one Eucharistic Minister/EMHC. They’ve effectively become quite Ordinary in fact.
 
Oh no I understand the meaning in terms of how the church uses it. I was just pointing out this is an instance of where the Church meaning and the reality don’t line up any longer.

And as for every day use, I’ve never heard Eucharistic Ministers referred to as EMHC outside of Catholic Answers or official RCC documents. In regular Catholic parish parlance, Eucharistic Minister is the term I see pretty much universally used when I attend Catholic masses, etc… Harping on people for using what has over the last half century become seemingly the standard term seems like trying to stop an avalanche with a piece of tissue paper.
 
Oh no I understand the meaning in terms of how the church uses it. I was just pointing out this is an instance of where the Church meaning and the reality don’t line up any longer.

And as for every day use, I’ve never heard Eucharistic Ministers referred to as EMHC outside of Catholic Answers or official RCC documents. In regular Catholic parish parlance, Eucharistic Minister is the term I see pretty much universally used when I attend Catholic masses, etc… Harping on people for using what has over the last half century become seemingly the standard term seems like trying to stop an avalanche with a piece of tissue paper.
After R.S. came out I changed it to EMHC (fully spelled out) in the bulletin only to have the next Pastor tell me to put Eucharistic Minister. He had been in residence at the time R.S. came out and had refused to read the document.

There were three priests in residence and they often concelebrated. When I asked about having EMHCs step aside when they were concelebrating and mentioned R.S. one stood up, shook his finger at me, and yelled, “We have never paid attention to Rome on litugy and we’re not about to start now!” That’s when, after a week of thinking and praying over it, I removed myself from the Liturgy committee. The aggravation was no good for any of us.
 
Here in the Philippines it would be impossible without EMHC’s.

Our parish has 14,000 parishioners and we get roughly an 80% Mass attendance every Sunday. To accommodate so many people we have 10 Masses on Sunday. Without EHMC’s almost nobody would be able to receive Communion.
Wow! That’s a lot of people.
 
I tend to agree. I go to a small church, and yet there are 7-8 EMHC per service. My personal preference is to only receive from the Priest, but I know others don’t mind.
I prefer receiving from the priest as well, and the two places I usually sit allows me to do so.
 
Deacon Jeff, thanks for this. I do think the implication is a little overstated, certainly the word ordained is closely related to the word ordinary, same roots: the latin ordo or ordinare , the proper order or to appoint. But the church does not use non-ordained as the term, but extra-ordinary. So it seems to me to be related more to the meaning of “order” as apposed to “appoint”. And that seems quite consistent with the stress the Church places on using the correct term: (from Redemptionis Sacramentum).
[156.] This function is to be understood strictly according to the name by which it is known, that is to say, that of extraordinary minister of Holy Communion, and not “special minister of Holy Communion” nor “extraordinary minister of the Eucharist” nor “special minister of the Eucharist”, by which names the meaning of this function is unnecessarily and improperly broadened.
Having said that, your point is well taken. We should not as much stress on the word extraordinary as we would when in other contexts of the word. It is certainly related to the “non-ordained”. And since the Church gives good guidance on when EMHC can be used, there is no need to guess the use based on this single word. It seems to me the church stresses this word to be used so as to understand the issue, not as a guide as to when or how much they should be used. In other words, there is a proper order of Ministers of Holy Communion. That proper order does not necessarily define how often they should be used.

Which brings me back to the question on the thread title: which I have not taken a side. I have my thoughts on the matter at specific masses and such, but in general I am happy leaving it up to the pastor.
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If I may ask, why?
I too prefer to receive communion from a priest than from an EMHC, so I hope you don’t mind me answering this question even though it was not directed at me specifically. Who one receives communion from is certainly not the end-all/be-all. By far what we should focus on is that we are receiving the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. However, receiving communion is part of the liturgy, and the liturgy is full of signs which help us to better understand and more fully engage in the mysteries. Part of receiving holy communion is that we are also receiving it from Christ, he is who is giving himself to us. Now, the priest, acting in persona of Christ, certainly gives a better sign of that than when a lay person does so. I suppose I will once again go to quoting Redemptionis Sacramentum to better make my point:

154.] As has already been recalled, “the only minister who can confect the Sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest”.[254] Hence the name “minister of the Eucharist” belongs properly to the Priest alone. Moreover, also by reason of their sacred Ordination, the ordinary ministers of Holy Communion are the Bishop, the Priest and the Deacon,[255] to whom it belongs therefore to administer Holy Communion to the lay members of Christ’s faithful during the celebration of Mass. In this way their ministerial office in the Church is fully and accurately brought to light, **and the sign value of the Sacrament is made complete
** (boldness added).

Again, that does not mean that I will not receive communion from a EMHC, I do so all the time. But my preference would be a priest, and then a deacon: ie the proper order comes into play.

Hope this helps clarify my stance on the whole issue.

God bless.
 
The question about whether to offer Holy Communion under both species all the time is a profound one. Like it or not, there are objectively positive and negative things to offering under either one or both species. Let’s take a look at some of them:

Positives about offering Holy Communion under both species:
  • Greater sign value of the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
Negatives about offering Holy Communion under both species:
  • Many communicants seem to believe that they are not receiving the entire Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ if they do not partake from the chalice.
  • The overuse of of EMsHC which can lead to cliques and other parish politics.
  • The overuse of of EMsHC which can lead to an awkward process of communion just for them.
  • Shortages of EMsHC at some parishes or Masses after many simply get tired of the “communion politics.”
  • More sacred vessels to purify which often leads to not following the GIRM when it comes to the purification process.
  • Greater probability of accidentally profaning the Blessed Sacrament.
  • An introduction of a great deal of “noise” and turbulence to the distribution of Holy Communion. Many churches assume the feel of cold, regimented, industrial processing lines rather than the distribution of Holy Communion.
  • The inability to underscore the special nature of some Masses (Easter, Christmas, Precious Blood, Corpus Christi, the parish’s patron saint, etc.) by allowing communion under both species for those Mass. This also makes a great moment for catechesis.
  • The cost of the wine.
I’ve only experienced the distribution of Holy Communion successfully changing from both species to one. It’s a large parish and it had at least 18 EMsHC and “Mass Captains.” The bishop forbade the distribution under both kinds during a particularly nasty outbreak of influenza.

During that time the pastor did a good job of catechizing his people and further reduced those redistributing Hosts from 8 to 4. When the prohibition was lifted, they continued distributing under one species. From 18+ to 4. It has had a PROFOUNDLY POSITIVE impact on the solemnity and reverence of the Holy Communion distribution process.

No one complained except for the EMsHC who felt their right to “fully participate” in the Mass had been impinged. Their complaints were long and bitter. It’s good the pastor had the support of the bishop.
 
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