Too many laws

[beng]

francisca:

But when humans chopped “The Institution founded by God” into pieces, they added human definitions that separate. That’s why separation creates errors. Separation creates religions plus their human interests.

The one who added human definition is non-Catholics.

The Church of God the divine institution, the body of Christ is still present.

On the contrary, the Spirit unites us into one Body. The Spirit speaks the Truth as IT IS. Those who seek the Truth will find IT. But those who bind themselves to “human” religion will never see IT, or at least will find obstacles to see IT as IT REALLY IS.

The Church is visible (De Fide)

The religion of the Catholic Faith is the only thing appeasiong to God.

The Catholic Faith is of God and not of men.

To bind oneself to a religion means to limit God in order to serve ones own interest/ a group of people without any attitude of “searching the Truth”.

Jesus has established a Church Mat 16:18.

Religion is a group of doctrine that a certain body of believes is held. It’s not a dirty word.

Not that I oppose religion. I myself is roman catholic. But I don’t limit my horizon when I read the Bible. I read it and receive it as “the word of God” and believe it simply.

By reading the Bible you’re submitting yourself to religion.

You have a defficient understanding of the word “religion” which is intoxicated by new age understanding. Thinking that “religion” is bad. religion is njot bad. religion is not confining.

The Catholic Faith is a religion and it’s of God.

 

[beng]

francisca:

Exactly.

Because understanding comes from believing, not from technical definitions.

The technical definition is there to guide you.

If you are arrogant and try to defy what it’s said then you have condemned yourself.

The law can’t save us after all.

Romans 2:13
For not the hearers of the law are just before God: but the doers of the law shall be justified.

The law only makes us sin conscious.But it can’t stop us from sinning. Only God can save us from sinning and therefore from the punishments of the Law.

The law makes you relize how sinful you are. And that is not a bad thing. Because by knowing how sinful you are YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO REFRAIN FROM SINFUL THINGS AND STOP DOING SINFUL THINGS AND IGNORE YOUR CONSCIENCE!

Paul wrote that those who tries to observe the law end up breaking the law. On the contrary, those who believe, end up fulfilling the law (stop sinning).

And if your believes that you can broke the law as many as possible then you’re leading yourself to hell.

Paul’s wisdom is for human not to obligate God by fulfilling the law. Those who try to do the law while having faith in God will be justified.

1 Corinthians 15:56
The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law;

The law is NOT the cause of sin. The law SHOWS how sinful you are. This is how that verse to be understood.

That is why Jesus has no problem saying:

Mt 5:18
truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished

Just believe simply, then we don’t need to understand canon law. But when we sin, surely canon law will judge us.

Yes, when you sin, the law will judge you.

 

[martino]

The greater the level of disobedience the greater the neccessity for laws.

Laws or rules are a sign of disobedience!

 

[vineyard1]

francisca:

The law can’t do this, the law is passive. Interpretation is always involved. This is where God’s Supremacy has to come in control. Men who understand and BELIEVE in God’s LOVE shall control the law.

In any case, intepretation is always needed. It depends on “the men” and what they believe.

God bless.

I must have the wrong idea about canon law. I have a copy of the 1983 code with commentary and have worked with St. Jospeph’s Foundation in San Antonio Texas on a couple of matters in the past. I don’t think you can ‘sin’ if you don’t follow canon law. You must go to communion once a year . . . .I think naturally follows the Catholic understanding of keeping the sabbath Holy. Canon Law is all the business end, property, who answers to whom and why. If a grave sin is committed then Canon law describes how the individual is to be correct and/or the church protected, world wide. Sloth is a sin - but what do you does the Church officially do about? a priest guilty of presiding at Mass only once a month on odd Tuesdays has some documented ‘justice’ in the Code of Canon law. What CAN pastors do with Church property? What if you aren’t the pastor? What if you’re the Bishop? Can Godparents be non Catholic? What if what if, but it’s not theological stuff - it’s what to do in the practical, mostly. What rights do the laity have? Can we preach ? The homily? Read the Gospel? Read the readings? Communion in paper cups if your outside? Get married in a horse barn? It’s practical. Here’s a searchable copy:
ourladyswarriors.org/canon/

 

[vineyard1]

beng:

Wrong. The Catholic and Orthodox are in schism. Both have VALID apiscopal sucession. Episcopes/Bishops are the sucessor of the Apostles, to which Jesus addressed in His prayer. There’s still no unity betweeen Catholic and Orthodox.

Ahem. 'scuse. me. The women bishops in the Episcopal church are NOT sucessors to the Apostles. Those priests ordained ONLY by women bishops (this has been corrected in the past few years I hear but it’s still hearsay) are not ordained validly.
just sign me
splitting hairs - I’m very sorry. I know. you’re bored.