Tools for training children in the tradition

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FAB said:
Example- linbo, no longer taught, It’s a sin to eat meat on Friday, no longer taught. These things served a purpose for their time, but should not be confused as truths of the church. Our unstanding of God has always evolved in our faith throught he guidance of the Holy Spirit.
There are many excelant books in print today that can be used to teach young children our faith without going to a garage sale to find ones that are out of date. If you are going to teach your children “in the tradition” then our tradition is to follow our bishops and to teach what they have approved.

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FAB
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As I mentioned, in new printings of the Baltimore Catechism, it clearly notes that something such as not eating meat on all Fridays throughout the year is a discipline that has been changed. However, while it is no longer considered a sin, it is still clearly the preferred Friday abstinence. The USCCB have something about it on their website (which I am too lazy to search for right now).

Limbo has never been defined as a Church dogma, so any changes in teaching will not affect the faith at all.

Jacafamala did mention some excellent new books to be used, those by Seton. However, their content isn’t really that much different from the older books. And if Church disciplines change again, then they too will be “outdated”. Certainly one can’t/shouldn’t have to toss a book that clearly teaches the faith simply because a discipline that was in effect at the time the book was printed is no longer.

I’m thinking it’s possible you don’t have young children? If that’s the case, then you wouldn’t know how difficult it is to get good books for younger children that clearly present the teachings and truths of our faith, and also make the saints into “friends”. And I’m sure you wouldn’t be as dismissive of garage sales if you had a teeny budget and a not-so-teeny family. 😉

Most committed Catholic parents use a variety of books and teaching aids, both old and new. They also use sacramentals, pray the rosary as a family, attend daily mass when possible, observe saint name days, etc.
 
FAB said:
Example- linbo (limbo is a matter of personal opinion or faith it is not forbiden), no longer taught, It’s a sin to eat meat on Friday, no longer taught (this is a matter of self sacrafice and still recomendated by the USCCB). These things served a purpose for their time, but should not be confused as truths of the church. Our understanding of God has always evolved in our faith throught he guidance of the Holy Spirit.
There are many excelant books in print today that can be used to teach young children our faith without going to a garage sale to find ones that are out of date (good books on the foundations of family and Church are never outdated). If you are going to teach your children “in the tradition” then our tradition is to follow our bishops and to teach what they have approved.

Peace,
FAB
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Well if I am not mistaking moral values, manners and core teachings of Holy Mother Church has and does not change. Human actions change the Church does not.

Yes there are good new books. They are few and far between if you don’t want to let cafiteria style choices in you family. They are expensive and since the basic Traditions (large T not small t)of the Church and the knowledge of what was and is taught is never a waste of time nor of study. History is a wonderful way to teach our youth and ourselves what and where the Catholic Church believes and why. Just ask the priest at your parish how many years he was required to study the past in order to teach in the present.
 
KathleenElsie said:
Well if I am not mistaking moral values, manners and core teachings of Holy Mother Church has and does not change. Human actions change the Church does not.

Yes there are good new books. They are few and far between if you don’t want to let cafiteria style choices in you family. They are expensive and since the basic Traditions (large T not small t)of the Church and the knowledge of what was and is taught is never a waste of time nor of study. History is a wonderful way to teach our youth and ourselves what and where the Catholic Church believes and why. Just ask the priest at your parish how many years he was required to study the past in order to teach in the present.
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I beg to disagree. I am familar with catechetical teaching used today and it is not cafiteria style. Nor as you imply am I or my family cafiteria Catholics.
We do agree fully agree in studing our history and Tradition. It shows us how we have and have had things both right and not so correct. The problem is the refusal to see and correct those things that were not fully correct. Limbo as an example was a comforting way to say that an un-baptisted child was not condemned. It recongized thsat we did really know of what God did in his mercy. Our teaching today still recongizes that we don’t know the will of God, but it is much more conforting to say that the child is in the arms and care of God, we trust and leave those souls in his care.
This is how Tradition changes, in this case for the better, and how clinging to old teachings to instruct the young does them no good.

By the way, I have an excellant idea of how long and why the past is studied to be prepared for the present.

Peace,
FAB
 
Is anyone here familiar with some of the other traditional religion book series, such as Our Lady of Victory or St. Thomas Aquinas Academy?

I’d be very interested in hearing about how they compare to the Seton series.
 
I REALLY appreciate the help—anything specifically for the younger teens, say 10-15. We have the BC and am woking through a few of the other suggestions here.

Thanks again
 
bubba451 said:
Hey guys, as the OP I am asking you to go somewhere else with this–you have both effectively hijacked this topic. I said in the OP that this was IN THE TRADITION, so this topic should not suprise or confuse anyone. Please stay on the topic and be as helpful as possible-Thanks
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The Bible History and also The Story of the Church. I’ve used both, both are excellent. Great for the 7th and 8th grade level.

setonbooks.com/search.php?authorid=401

I am working my way through Mass and the Sacraments, my kid hasn’t started it yet. The others on this page look good as well, but we haven’t gotten that far yet:

setonbooks.com/search.php?subject=Religion&grade=HS&userSearchString=&x=16&y=14

If you enroll your kid in the Seton program starting in grade 9, the high school lesson planner has the supplemental lessons to go along with the BC3. They do not as yet have a separate book to purchase (as is the case for the younger grades), so you have to enroll to get the lesson plans. Excellent, excellent stuff. It gets into and little Aquinas and others, and so far generally focuses on apologetics.

They can enroll and take online tests, one per each semester totaling four tests per grade.
 
We are enrolled at Seton, so we are also working on this–it’s why my son knows more than I do. Using the BC #3 and The Catechism Explained, I realize how poorly I was formed. I just keep trying to make sure I do a better job with my children. As a bonus, I have to learn more as well.
 
bubba451 said:
We are enrolled at Seton, so we are also working on this–it’s why my son knows more than I do. Using the BC #3 and The Catechism Explained, I realize how poorly I was formed. I just keep trying to make sure I do a better job with my children. As a bonus, I have to learn more as well.
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🙂 Yeah as a kid, I got the balloons and butterfly religion book series, too. Hearts and flowers… It was the old lets all feel good about ourselves catechism.
 
bubba451 said:
Keeping in mind that the goal is to raise properly formed Catholic men and women, what tools/guides do you use or suggest to people who are just starting to or have become attracted to the traditions of the Church particularly under the old rites of the Church? Many of these people are converts or men and women who only knew the novus ordo or may feel they were inadequately catechised.

We can drive many people to distraction here on CA with our spirited debates and opinions. Unfortunately many do not understand or want to discuss the issues from the traditional view. We appear to contradict each other and lack Charity in the process.

It also makes it clear we have little in the way of formal training to teach traditional thinking, rubrics and training of the Church. Not many priests have this information anymore and not everyone has the luxury of having several generations of traditional formation or a FSSP or the like as a resource. These people are coming to those of us who are in the Church. How do we begin to guide them and our families?
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There’s a FSSP video about the Extraordinary Form of the Mass (Tridentine Mass) that dose an excellent job on explaining each part of the Mass and how it is central to a Christian life. I recommend it for young adults 🙂

For children, I think starting out with a Children’s Bible, with regular Sunday attendance at Mass, a family Rosary (not them saying the Rosary but just being there when you say it as a family so they can benefit from the Rosary), and perhaps even teaching them simple short prayers (like the Children’s Prayer to Mary, a little pray for the holy souls, the Jesus I Trust In You prayer, etc.), would work wonders in the souls. Little efforts go a long way 😉

Also for young adults, you can cultivate in their souls a love of the saints, starting with the Apostles and St. Stephan and early saints, moving on to the Church Fathers, saints who had a special love for Jesus and Mary (St. Margaret Mary, St. Lucia, St. Dominc, St. Faustina, St. Joseph, etc.), and than the Popes. This will also cause them to have a greater love for the Church’s teachings.
 
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