Top 10 reasons women should dress modestly

[Lost_Wanderer]

Let’s say for a moment that all men in the world have conquered this problem. Do you really think that would still justify women and men for that fact to be wearing such immodest clothes?

Shouldn’t we all wear clothes that truly shows the dignity of the human person in a more profound way?

Please be aware that once you start making statements like this, you are on a road between the external realm and the internal realm. The former holds aesthetics such as colors, shapes, symbols etc. The latter holds concepts such as beauty, ugliness, modesty etc.

And trust me, I’m one of those who traverse between them, a lot.

The hard truth that you must face is the fact that the ties between these worlds can never stay the same.

Concepts such as modesty have no shape or form. In the same manner, shapes and forms have no inner value. The sequence of letters G, O, and D does not in anyway possess the essence of the Almighty. However, that does not deny the existence of said Almighty.

The reason why we treat these things as the same is in fact due to the connections between them. These connections however are completely an invention of man. We make these connections for the sake of communication and organizing meaning/thought.

Alas, this system is not perfect. These connections can wear over time. They can be changed as easily as they were made. They can even be destroyed altogether.

This is why the Party of Modesty fails. It refuses to accept this reality and insists on an absolutist nature upon a world where such a nature doesn’t exist. They claim essences within things that have none and when the connections between meaning and form change, they are left with only with blubbering bewilderment (which is then hidden under stubborn denial).

By dressing modesty, one does more than just change his or her appearance. They show humility to the world in a more profound way. God’s love and light shines through them to get to others that are lost and that are longing for Chirst.

If you’re trying to send the message of Christ, the power of actions always triumphs over words and appearances. This is in fact to say that the latter two (especially the last one) are not a penny’s worth of fussing over.

In short, Modesty is the secret to regard our bodies as beautiful gifts from God, miracles of His handiwork, chosen by Him to be His living temples on earth and to be glorified forever in heaven.

Here’s the problem with your logic, you do not take into account the relative nature of expressing ideals through the external (these would include not only fashion but music, art, and literature as well).

If you ask me why I dress the way I do, I would say it is the best way I have perceived myself as an individual human being, created by God to be unique from everybody else. I am aware of my individuality and dress in ways that I prefer, and I alone. The best place for anyone else’s fashion opinion about my clothes is only secondary minor.

Some people say I’d look better if I dressed like Justin Bieber. (They feel sorry for me never having a girlfriend.)

Others say I should dress like Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory. (According to them, the nerd look suits me.)

But to me, their words are meaningless. I don’t care for their suggestions because that is not what I perceive myself to be. I wear my clothes because that is what I want to see myself as. For instance, I like fantasy mages. I’ve seen some of them wear hoods such as this one. It’s for that reason why I like wearing nice big hoodies because they’re like their modern urban counterpart to such clothes.

However, is that what people see when they see me wear them? Hardly. Do I have to explain myself? No. Should I care? Never. What they see on the outside is just one of the many other perspectives and interpretations. I care for not one, not even my own because in the end, it’s all purely fashion opinion. It is still who I am as a human person that I prefer being evaluated, not my clothes.

I’ve met quite a number of women (both in real life and online) who feel the same way. They wear the clothes they wear because they simply want to. It is not their fault for the misconceptions people have (or worse, force upon) them. You say God would want us to have nice covers for the gifts of our bodies… yet even God Himself never judges a book by its cover.

 

[GraceDK]

Please be aware that once you start making statements like this, you are on a road between the external realm and the internal realm. The former holds aesthetics such as colors, shapes, symbols etc. The latter holds concepts such as beauty, ugliness, modesty etc.

And trust me, I’m one of those who traverse between them, a lot.

The hard truth that you must face is the fact that the ties between these worlds can never stay the same.

Concepts such as modesty have no shape or form. In the same manner, shapes and forms have no inner value. The sequence of letters G, O, and D does not in anyway possess the essence of the Almighty. However, that does not deny the existence of said Almighty.

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Mate I like you.
You are cool. Keep wearing your hood.
I remember some years ago, my first day at a very good university in my country, I met a guy who was wearing a black sweatshirt with a big hood and loose jeans. He wasn’t wearing suit and tie, and I thought, what can be expected of him in terms of scolarly achievement. But he turned out to be the sharpest mind in our whole big class.
In my current faculty, I had the same experience… one of the guys who wore the most casual clothes and with little attention to his hair and style was one of the most interesting men of all, intelligent like lightning and kind… and now married.

I also wish people would stop looking at the cover so much. Especially as a woman I feel like I can never be good enough, never be what people want me to be.
I have found it shocking how superficial especially men are when it comes to the appearances of women. Average looking women with great wits and gifts have a hard time getting the attention of men, even Catholic men, who run after the blond, superficial and selfish ones with big breasts.
I have also noticed that some Catholic men talk about modesty, but when the modest (in word and clothes) stand next to the immodest lady, the one who gets most (Catholic)male attention is still the more immodest one.

Women can never do right. At the same time she often internalizes the images of church and society, the one tells her she has to be like the Virgin Mary (which is impossible) and the other that she has to look like barbie (which is also impossible)… what we get is women who are insecure and feel torn between different kinds of style and who feel seen and judged bith from outside and inside…

 

[severus68]

Why would you? Its not a binding statement of faith. Its a matter of private revelation which shouldn’t be quoted as anything else since we as Catholics are not bound by it.

Now is it possible that the Virgin Mary said such a thing. Maybe… or maybe not. At any rate people can always abuse such statements and try to explain to others what precisely she must have referred to.
I could eg. say, I dont think she spoke about bikinis but only about men running around without a shirt, even in town (happens where I live at least), and men wearing pants where you can see their underwear and even sometimes their vertical smile.

See, I have just made my very own interpretation, and it has no relevancy to anyone else.

Hi Grace,

I was just trying to give the benefit of the doubt… This has been posted here before as the truth. Even if it is a private revelation, it should be a true quote. I have checked the Vatican site on the actual revelations before and there is nothing like this. There is at least one totally untrue so called Fatima revelation running around in the internet and people are posting extracts of that on this and other similar threads.

So why are people posting this in the first place? Do they not know it is untrue?

 

[Portrait]

A minor point I have been trying to introduce is the effortful, personal, life long struggle we need to engage in daily to do the will of God, even if that means our will, our desires, our weaknesses have to take the back seat.

Dear Edward H,

Cordial greetings and a very good day, dear friend.

The wearing of modest attire and exercising a proper reserve, is really connected with the much broader issue of the pursuit of holiness, or as you put it, “the effortful, personal, life long struggle we need to engage in daily to do the will of God”. However, our problem is that many of the faithful no longer make sanctity and separation from the godless world a major priority in their lives and accordingly their will, desires and weakneses clearly do not “take the back seat”, but contriwise play a prominent role in all their decision making. This is perhaps is hardly surprising since many neo-Catholics have opted for a ‘Catholicism Lite’, which makes little demand upon them in terms of self-denial and abstention from worldliness, including seductive fashions and inappropriate clothing. Alas, many are “conformed to the world” instead of being “transformed by the renewing of their mind” (cf. Rom. 12: 1-2), with the result that the post Vatican II Church is beset by a Laodicean lukewarmness.

Adapting Catholic morals to the modern world, as Vatican II certainly did, had very disastrous effects. When the Council called for an adaptation of the Church to the modern world, what it was saying is that the Church needed to bring to an end the separation between the religious and worldly life and conform herself to the values of the world. Moreover, with the disappearance of authoritative guidance from the Hierarchy in the post-concliar Church on Catholic dress code, the new thinking, with its worldly mindset, affected the Church in its membership and social and cultrual environment. Unfortunately, when the practice of modesty, like any other moral principle, is simply left to fallen men and their individual sense of responsibility, it is gradually forgotten. In any event, it should have been remembered that Satan and the godless world never cease trying to destabalize and destroy the conventions that Christian civilisation has established as bulwarks of the virtue of purity.

The implications for woman’s fashions and attire are surely clear: as this thread evinces only too well, you now have the relativisation of standards decency and a complete and shameful loss of a sense of decorum - who would ever have imagined it possible for Catholic women to clamour for the acceptance of such seductive garments as the mini-skirt and bikini? This spineless relativism has slowly weakened in consciences the notions of good and evil, sin and grace, vice and virtue and, by analogy, correct standards of modesty in vesture. Men may hotly contest this, but we all know that it is true, notwithstanding.

Rather than exhort their flock to manfully transcend the allurements and pressures of unseemly fashion garb, trendy clergy and spiritual directors have laughingly embraced the new morality and with it the new modesty (they actually sneer at and deem the ‘old modesty’ a joke and label it ‘prissy Puritanism’), which does not frown upon immodest styles of clothing, even within the house of God. This deplorable silence of the clergy and their laxist complicity with immodest dress, only gives the green light, especially to women, to pursue their own pleasure, comfort and convenience with the assistance of the Church. It is one thing to tolerate wrongdoing by being silent when God’s very laws are mocked, but it is something quite different to contribute to it by not working diligently to erradicate it as best as one can.

God bless Edward and thankyou for your (name removed by moderator)ut to the debate.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Edward_H]

Edward,
I think you have been trying to be more charitable and I have been trying to respond accordingly. Why did you have to insert that stripper comment. It appears that anyone who dresses in a way YOU consider immodest, you consider a stripper or worse.Yes, we all have our personal struggles to do the Lord’ will.

It is not a minor point that we all have our

Well, I used that comment to indicate the extent to which I believe in freedom and individual responsibility in freedom. I am that happy and easy to let someone decide between God and themselves their actions.

Yet, you still insist I have declared something immodest.

 

[GraceDK]

Dear Edward H,

Cordial greetings and a very good day, dear friend.

The wearing of modest attire and exercising a proper reserve, is really connected with the much broader issue of the pursuit of holiness, or as you put it, “the effortful, personal, life long struggle we need to engage in daily to do the will of God”. However, our problem is that many of the faithful no longer make sanctity and separation from the godless world a major priority in their lives and accordingly their will, desires and weakneses clearly do not “take the back seat”, but contriwise play a prominent role in all their decision making. This is perhaps is hardly surprising since many neo-Catholics have opted for a ‘Catholicism Lite’, which makes little demand upon them in terms of self-denial and abstention from worldliness, including seductive fashions and inappropriate clothing. Alas, many are “conformed to the world” instead of being “transformed by the renewing of their mind” (cf. Rom. 12: 1-2), with the result that the post Vatican II Church is beset by a Laodicean lukewarmness.

Portrait

Pax

Shalom,
A well written post. I too think most bikinis and miniskirts are immodest, and so are pants that hang down so you can see the unerwear or behind of boys, or men not wearing shirt in the public room.

I try however to go to the deeper underlying issues of this. Did you ever consider why many of us are so zealous in defending women’s rights to wear what they please, even when its immodest?

three reasons

• Women are structured differently than men. I know because I am a lady too, that very many of us when we wear miniskirts or bikinis are not doing it to make life hard for men, but because we simply don’t know that men are lusting and thinking differently than women. Women focus much on the beauty of face and well built people, we watch without lust. We cannot read the minds of men, and know how animal they often are, until we are made aware of it.
  This will often only come about where someone who is not skilled in conveying any sensitive thing, starts shaming women. This I tried myself… it happend at the beginning of my meeting with Catholicism that I met a conservative Catholic man who went of on a rant and made a whole group of totally oblivious ladies from a different and more liberal culture stand like convicted of prostitution infront of him. Needless to say we went away not with a renewed sense of awareness of the Holy Spirit, but a feeling that this man was a pharisee, a bad Christian, possibly even a pervert with a dirty eye. I have since come to the conclusion that modesty is a fruit of faith, from the inside,… not something that people drill into others. So first we must evangelise with all our might. If we dont evangelise, then we cannot be sulky when some lady turns up wearing immodest clothes.
• Women have always been easy targets. There was a time where an ankle was seen as lust-inciting, and many places today in the world where the neck of a woman, or even her face is seen as a provocation of lust, leading the poor helpless male to fall, and even turns him into an ‘innocent rapist’. We know from western history that there has always been a double standard, not only what women could wear but also what she could say and do, compared to men. There was a time not long ago where a woman’s reputation could be broken very easily whereas a whole other set of rules applied to men.
  The women’s movement has freed us from this kind of double standard (yes there are good things about the women’s movement.) and we are not willing to go under this kind of unequality again.
• Suspicion between the sexes. Unfortunately I see it more among religious people than non-religious people. People trying to put men and women into boxes acc. to how they think women and men should be.
  And a regular suspicion between the sexes. Often there is partiality, women on the side of women, men on the side of men. We women don’t any more expect that men will stick up for us and defend our rights, dignity etc. We have had to fight for what we got, and the attempt to control what women wear can easily unconsciously be perceived as an attempt to control other areas of our lives too.

Just to make you aware that the issue is not as simple as you make it out to be. Its not “just about clothes”. There are historical and psychological reasons… Questions of power too (In a church where women have absolutely no chance of getting hierarchal distinctions we are forced to often get our recognition from the realm of society… The church is a man’s world, no matter how many men try to deny that and call it effiminate as soon as things go wrong.)

Also modesty must be about a whole mindset of chastity.
Often when I hear people talk about modesty I wonder how men in this group might have been watching porn, or trying to get their wives to do perverse things, or say dirty lustful things to their girl friends…
So I think if men can focus on teaching each other chastity, then women will become naturally more modest, because your chastity will inspire us to live up to that… and vice versa.

 

[Portrait]

Shalom,
A well written post. I too think most bikinis and miniskirts are immodest, and so are pants that hang down so you can see the unerwear or behind of boys, or men not wearing shirt in the public room.

Women have always been easy targets. There was a time where an ankle was seen as lust-inciting, and many places today in the world where the neck of a woman, or even her face is seen as a provocation of lust, leading the poor helpless male to fall, and even turns him into an ‘innocent rapist’. We know from western history that there has always been a double standard, not only what women could wear but also what she could say and do, compared to men. There was a time not long ago where a woman’s reputation could be broken very easily whereas a whole other set of rules applied to men.
The women’s movement has freed us from this kind of double standard (QUOTE]

Dear GraceDK,

Cordial greetings and thankyou for your courteous response to my posting.

It is incontrovertible that the Christian religion emphasises the dignity of womanhood and has elevated women in one country and society after another to a position that they did not occupy previously. Sacred Scripture and Holy Mother Church are perfectly clear that men and women do have a spiritual equality (cf. Gal. 3: 28). This is in contrast to Judaism and Islam where, of course, women have a much more inferior status.

Let us be perfectly honest, even if an individual does not comply with the surrounding godless amoral culture, it is surely to semaphore the wrong message for a Catholic women professing religion to don a mini-skirt or bikini, because this aligns her with the outward appearance of those who are detached from our most holy Faith. Sadly there are women even within Catholic orthodox circles who, whilst by no means fitting the strict definition of ‘femenist’, nevertheless reflect that ethos to some degree, not least in their vehement and irrational protest against anyone, male or female, who dares to declare that certain garb is unseemly and inappropriate for women professing godliness. BTW, I am not infering that you fall into this category, but merely remaarking that many women do. Femenist ideology is now so pervasive in our Western society, that traces of this mindset can be observed even among those conservative Catholic women who would disavow the femenist label.

Catholic men and women have a duty to be clad in modest apparel so as to reflect chastity and holiness of character. Of course the whole notion of modest clothing seems incongrous with the moral and cultural deterioration in which our lot is now sadly cast, but the teaching of Sacred Scripture (I Tim. 2: 9) and the consistent teaching of the Church is not subject to change or modification to suit more decadent times. Thus it will never be right for men or woman to overshadow or displace traditional Catholic teaching on modesty of vesture. After all the strength of concupiscence, on account of Original Sin, continues to be something that devout Catholics must engage with and wrestle against, perhaps even more so given the morally degenerate times in which we are currently living. My plea is that we do not make this a more arduous assignment than it already is by the donning of immodest attire, thereby stimulating impure thoughts - thoughts that could lead another into mortal sin. Would we really want that upon our conscience?

That is all for now, dear sister.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

 

[Walking_Home]

Dear GraceDK,

Cordial greetings and thankyou for your courteous response to my posting.

It is incontrovertible that the Christian religion emphasises the dignity of womanhood and has elevated women in one country and society after another to a position that they did not occupy previously. Sacred Scripture and Holy Mother Church are perfectly clear that men and women do have a spiritual equality (cf. Gal. 3: 28). This is in contrast to Judaism and Islam where, of course, women have a much more inferior status.

Let us be perfectly honest, even if an individual does not comply with the surrounding godless amoral culture, it is surely to semaphore the wrong message for a Catholic women professing religion to don a mini-skirt or bikini, because this aligns her with the outward appearance of those who are detached from our most holy Faith. Sadly there are women even within Catholic orthodox circles who, whilst by no means fitting the strict definition of ‘femenist’, nevertheless reflect that ethos to some degree, not least in their vehement and irrational protest against anyone, male or female, who dares to declare that certain garb is unseemly and inappropriate for women professing godliness. BTW, I am not infering that you fall into this category, but merely remaarking that many women do. Femenist ideology is now so pervasive in our Western society, that traces of this mindset can be observed even among those conservative Catholic women who would disavow the femenist label.

Catholic men and women have a duty to be clad in modest apparel so as to reflect chastity and holiness of character. Of course the whole notion of modest clothing seems incongrous with the moral and cultural deterioration in which our lot is now sadly cast, but the teaching of Sacred Scripture (I Tim. 2: 9) and the consistent teaching of the Church is not subject to change or modification to suit more decadent times. Thus it will never be right for men or woman to overshadow or displace traditional Catholic teaching on modesty of vesture. After all the strength of concupiscence, on account of Original Sin, continues to be something that devout Catholics must engage with and wrestle against, perhaps even more so given the morally degenerate times in which we are currently living. My plea is that we do not make this a more arduous assignment than it already is by the donning of immodest attire, thereby stimulating impure thoughts - thoughts that could lead another into mortal sin. Would we really want that upon our conscience?

That is all for now, dear sister.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax

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Oh yea —the negative connotation of “feminism”. Not at all surprised surprised by this “argument”. And of course “feminist” is thrown at --Traditional women who have woken up and realized --that women are treated as second class–and downright denigrated within the “Trad” movement by “Trad” men who long for the days when women were property. Seems to be – the “Trad” movement is open to that type of mentality. So --not at all surprised.

By the way – who guided your “conversion” into Catholicism.

 

[GraceDK]

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Oh yea —the negative connotation of “feminism”. Not at all surprised surprised by this “argument”. And of course “feminist” is thrown at --Traditional women who have woken up and realized --that women are treated as second class–and downright denigrated within the “Trad” movement by “Trad” men who long for the days when women were property. So --not at all surprised.

By the way – who guided your “conversion” into Catholicism.

I wont enter this debate fully, because I have other things to do, but I don’t mind calling myself a Catholic feminist. The women’s movement have done a whole lot of good and achieved many rights that should have been basic rights under Christian patriachy but weren’t, such as equal expectations from men and women when it comes to sexual standards, admitting and respecting that women sexuality, although different from men’s is as strong as men’s (including sexual drive and longing) that we have, or should have equal rights to jobs, equal wages for the same work (this is not achieved yet, even in the most western of countries) equal education and equal right to keep one’s name etc, right to seperate from abusive husbands, and have a say in reproductive decisions. Some really bad changes have happend in feminism but feminism grew out of a real need for equality (and no its not right that equality has always been self evident in the Church… Only more recent documents use this word as well as other very positive words about women and their role, not only as home makers). I am glad I am a post 2. Vatican Council Catholic. I find myself modest, but you will not hear me painting feminism as such as a bad thing only, and I think the sooner Catholic men start recognizing the wound of women of devaluation throughout history the sooner we can get on with peace and harmony also in families.

 

[Art321]

Hi Grace,

I was just trying to give the benefit of the doubt… This has been posted here before as the truth. Even if it is a private revelation, it should be a true quote. I have checked the Vatican site on the actual revelations before and there is nothing like this. There is at least one totally untrue so called Fatima revelation running around in the internet and people are posting extracts of that on this and other similar threads.

So why are people posting this in the first place? Do they not know it is untrue?

If this is true, then I am the one at fault. I do apologize if that quote is wrong, since the one thing I would not like to be doing is speading lies.

 

[Fauxshorty]

I think it should be on both men and women to dress modestly especially when going to Mass. I would rather see a man wear a golf shirt and long shorts with a decent pair of shoes compared to a tee shirt and short denim shorts with a pair of sandals, or a woman wearing a sundress that has spaghetti straps that doesn’t even reach her knees with non dressy sandals compared to a woman who wears a short sleeve dress that reaches her knees or below with a pair of dressy sandals.

Also, both genders need to do a better job of controlling their thoughts, desires, and actions when others are not dressed to certain standards of modesty. I do not think it is fair to single out one gender to only dress modestly when both genders need to do so for the other.

What items you wear to the pool, work in the garden/yard, going to the bar, a party, the beach, sporting events, or a concert will not be appropriate for Mass, school/university, and/or even most business offices. Not all people keep that in mind, and that applies to both genders, and anyone who is old enough to pick their own clothes & dress themselves accordingly for the activity/place.

Also, it needs to be on parents to ensure their kids (that are toddler age and older) are dressed for Mass following common sense and modesty. That includes no: vulgar logo/worded shirts, short shorts, shorts that don’t even reach the top of the knees, tight clothes, revealing clothing, casual looking flip flops, trainers, track suits (tops/bottoms), spaghetti strapped shirts/dresses for girls, no tank tops for either gender, jeans with holes/too tight/very loose fitting etc.

 

[Art321]

Ok, I am not trying to debate here. I will respect your point of view, if that is all right with you.

But I need to ask. By your logic, then what is the purpose of modesty?

I seemed to understand from your post that we can dress anyway we like as long as we are humble, careing, etc.

While I do agree that interior of the person is really important, where does modesty fall into place?

Now I am only asking this because I am interested in your answer.

Please be aware that once you start making statements like this, you are on a road between the external realm and the internal realm. The former holds aesthetics such as colors, shapes, symbols etc. The latter holds concepts such as beauty, ugliness, modesty etc.

And trust me, I’m one of those who traverse between them, a lot.

The hard truth that you must face is the fact that the ties between these worlds can never stay the same.

Concepts such as modesty have no shape or form. In the same manner, shapes and forms have no inner value. The sequence of letters G, O, and D does not in anyway possess the essence of the Almighty. However, that does not deny the existence of said Almighty.

The reason why we treat these things as the same is in fact due to the connections between them. These connections however are completely an invention of man. We make these connections for the sake of communication and organizing meaning/thought.

Alas, this system is not perfect. These connections can wear over time. They can be changed as easily as they were made. They can even be destroyed altogether.

This is why the Party of Modesty fails. It refuses to accept this reality and insists on an absolutist nature upon a world where such a nature doesn’t exist. They claim essences within things that have none and when the connections between meaning and form change, they are left with only with blubbering bewilderment (which is then hidden under stubborn denial).

If you’re trying to send the message of Christ, the power of actions always triumphs over words and appearances. This is in fact to say that the latter two (especially the last one) are not a penny’s worth of fussing over.

Here’s the problem with your logic, you do not take into account the relative nature of expressing ideals through the external (these would include not only fashion but music, art, and literature as well).

If you ask me why I dress the way I do, I would say it is the best way I have perceived myself as an individual human being, created by God to be unique from everybody else. I am aware of my individuality and dress in ways that I prefer, and I alone. The best place for anyone else’s fashion opinion about my clothes is only secondary minor.

Some people say I’d look better if I dressed like Justin Bieber. (They feel sorry for me never having a girlfriend.)

Others say I should dress like Leonard Hofstadter from The Big Bang Theory. (According to them, the nerd look suits me.)

But to me, their words are meaningless. I don’t care for their suggestions because that is not what I perceive myself to be. I wear my clothes because that is what I want to see myself as. For instance, I like fantasy mages. I’ve seen some of them wear hoods such as this one. It’s for that reason why I like wearing nice big hoodies because they’re like their modern urban counterpart to such clothes.

However, is that what people see when they see me wear them? Hardly. Do I have to explain myself? No. Should I care? Never. What they see on the outside is just one of the many other perspectives and interpretations. I care for not one, not even my own because in the end, it’s all purely fashion opinion. It is still who I am as a human person that I prefer being evaluated, not my clothes.

I’ve met quite a number of women (both in real life and online) who feel the same way. They wear the clothes they wear because they simply want to. It is not their fault for the misconceptions people have (or worse, force upon) them. You say God would want us to have nice covers for the gifts of our bodies… yet even God Himself never judges a book by its cover.

 

[PiousFriend]

I would never have known that pictures were allowed in profiles except for this thread. Weighing more than 200 LBs, I’m not posting any pictures of myself in swimwear. I hope you’re all appropriately grateful.

 

[Fauxshorty]

In mass this Sunday I happened to notice how many teen- age girls that were not dressed properly. Shorty shorts,tube tops and one girl had a see thru blouse on. I have a teen aged daughter and son. When I see them wearing something that is not appropriate for mass I make them change! I sometimes get a why argument but I try my best to make them understand that it is distracting and disrespectful!

I think it is the parents responsibility to educate their children. The next day i spoke with my pastor and asked him if he could put something in our Sunday bulletin. He immediately agreed.
Some might argue that at least they go to mass ,I think it’s important for them not to forget that they are in the house of our Lord!
We might as well not be here if we don’t speak up for the things that matter!

 

[Walking_Home]

In mass this Sunday I happened to notice how many teen- age girls that were not dressed properly. Shorty shorts,tube tops and one girl had a see thru blouse on. I have a teen aged daughter and son. When I see them wearing something that is not appropriate for mass I make them change! I sometimes get a why argument but I try my best to make them understand that it is distracting and disrespectful!

I think it is the parents responsibility to educate their children. The next day i spoke with my pastor and asked him if he could put something in our Sunday bulletin. He immediately agreed.
Some might argue that at least they go to mass ,I think it’s important for them not to forget that they are in the house of our Lord!
We might as well not be here if we don’t speak up for the things that matter!

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I don’t believe the argument for/ condoning —that mode of dress for attending Mass --is being made in this thread.

 

[Walking_Home]

I wont enter this debate fully, because I have other things to do, but I don’t mind calling myself a Catholic feminist. The women’s movement have done a whole lot of good and achieved many rights that should have been basic rights under Christian patriachy but weren’t, such as equal expectations from men and women when it comes to sexual standards, admitting and respecting that women sexuality, although different from men’s is as strong as men’s (including sexual drive and longing) that we have, or should have equal rights to jobs, equal wages for the same work (this is not achieved yet, even in the most western of countries) equal education and equal right to keep one’s name etc, right to seperate from abusive husbands, and have a say in reproductive decisions. Some really bad changes have happend in feminism but feminism grew out of a real need for equality (and no its not right that equality has always been self evident in the Church… Only more recent documents use this word as well as other very positive words about women and their role, not only as home makers). I am glad I am a post 2. Vatican Council Catholic. I find myself modest, but you will not hear me painting feminism as such as a bad thing only, and I think the sooner Catholic men start recognizing the wound of women of devaluation throughout history the sooner we can get on with peace and harmony also in families.

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There is a lot of mental manipulation of women going on within the modesty/ “Trad” movement. For example–the subject of pants. Women who have woken up from the “pants are immodest” charade – are then tried to be manipulated by messing with their minds. These extremists will try to manipulate the mind by pushing some type of negative connotation/ a doubt as to why a women would want to wear pants. Is she wearing the pants just as any other type of clothes, for comfort, etc OR is she wearing them as some sort of “defiance” against men – against her femininity --against God. You see, what I am saying—how women are manipulated -by messing with the mind --putting this negativity/doubt in their minds.

 

[severus68]

If this is true, then I am the one at fault. I do apologize if that quote is wrong, since the one thing I would not like to be doing is speading lies.

You can check the Vatican website on the Fatima revelatons and read the English translations yourselves. I am sure you did not mean to.

 

[severus68]

I would never have known that pictures were allowed in profiles except for this thread. Weighing more than 200 LBs, I’m not posting any pictures of myself in swimwear. I hope you’re all appropriately grateful.

I am sure if you did we would only see a person with a great sense of humour.

 

[MissRose73]

I do wish Bishops would ask their priests in their dioceses to preach on modesty and purity especially when it comes to the way people dress for Mass. Also, perhaps place things in the bulletin, and maybe post simple signs of what is proper vs not proper for Mass.

It can be distracting to see people in short skirts, short shorts etc at Mass. I am a larger woman, and it can be challenging to find shirts that don’t dip low as designers think large women want to show cleavage. I do cover in a sweater, shawl, jacket or a wrap depending on the weather because I don’t wish to be immodest at Mass.

Perhaps if people made their frustrations known to their parish priests and others, perhaps action can be taken. I am not asking for the days of dressed to the nines but too many come dressed to Mass like they are ready to go to a party or a beach party.

In mass this Sunday I happened to notice how many teen- age girls that were not dressed properly. Shorty shorts,tube tops and one girl had a see thru blouse on. I have a teen aged daughter and son. When I see them wearing something that is not appropriate for mass I make them change! I sometimes get a why argument but I try my best to make them understand that it is distracting and disrespectful!

I think it is the parents responsibility to educate their children. The next day i spoke with my pastor and asked him if he could put something in our Sunday bulletin. He immediately agreed.
Some might argue that at least they go to mass ,I think it’s important for them not to forget that they are in the house of our Lord!
We might as well not be here if we don’t speak up for the things that matter!

 

[Debora123]

First, I apologize for responding so late. Now, I made that statement because of what Blessed Jacinta Marto said. She is one of the three children that saw the Virgin Mary at Fatima.

She personally recalled that Our Lady said, Certain fashions are going to be introduced which will offend Our Lord very much.

This is something that came from the Mother of God so I do consider this enough proof to back up my statement.

We’ve gone over this quote many times here on the thread before you came in.

I agree, there are some clothes out there that are immodest and our culture condemns them for what they are. Wearing a thong to the beach, showing an access of cleavage at a super market, walking down the street with shorts that are so short you can see the skin where leg and torso meet, etc etc… those are not the norms of our culture, and wearing such things IS immodest.

As the Catholic Church teaches, modesty varies depending on our cultural norms.

The quote you gave me does nothing to prove your point that the Church has some sort of imaginary standard of dress that never changes.

Again, I ask, give me something substantial. You believe showing a knee is immodest? Show me where the Church makes that claim. You believe wearing a bikini to the beach is immodest? Show me where the Church makes that claim.