Top 5 Reasons People Think You Aren't Churches

[John_of_Patmos]

I would, except I haven’t seen the pope on this forum in the last few months. Must be computer trouble.

I’ll have to PM him!

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

After introducing myself as a Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic (I did start of by saying that I am not a Roman Catholic) I was corrected by an Anglican who told me that I am a Roman Catholic of the Byzantine Rite and he claims that this is from the “canons of the Church”.

That the Catholic Church is rightly called the Roman Catholic Church and then there are rites within it.

You can not even enter into a proper reasoned discussion on this issue most of the time.

 

[Peter_J]

The ritual Churches sui iuris were formerly called rites. The big change was in 1990.

**In the 1983 Latin Canon Law (CIC), canon uses “Latin Church” and “ritual Church sui iuris” for Church and rite for liturgical rite, but sometimes uses rite for ritual Church.
**
In the 1990 CCEO Canon Law the terms rite and Church sui iuris are also defined, and are different. (e.g. rite is “liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony, culture and circumstances of history,”). See below:

Can. 1 The canons of this Code regard only the Latin Church.

Can. 2 For the most part the Code does not define the rites which must be observed in celebrating liturgical actions. Therefore, liturgical laws in force until now retain their force unless one of them is contrary to the canons of the Code.

Can. 111
§1. Through the reception of baptism, the child of parents who belong to the Latin Church is enrolled in it, or, if one or the other does not belong to it, both parents have chosen by mutual agreement to have the offspring baptized in the Latin Church. If there is no mutual agreement, however, the child is enrolled in the ritual Church to which the father belongs.
§2. Anyone to be baptized who has completed the fourteenth year of age can freely choose to be baptized in the Latin Church or in another ritual Church sui iuris; in that case, the person belongs to the Church which he or she has chosen.

Can. 112
§1. After the reception of baptism, the following are enrolled in another ritual Church sui iuris:
1/ a person who has obtained permission from the Apostolic See;
2/ a spouse who, at the time of or during marriage, has declared that he or she is transferring to the ritual Church sui iuris of the other spouse; when the marriage has ended, however, the person can freely return to the Latin Church;
3/ before the completion of the fourteenth year of age, the children of those mentioned in nn. 1 and 2 as well as, in a mixed marriage, the children of the Catholic party who has legitimately transferred to another ritual Church; on completion of their fourteenth year, however, they can return to the Latin Church.
**§2. The practice, however prolonged, of receiving the sacraments according to the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris does not entail enrollment in that Church.
**

Even that statement from the 1983 Canon Law isn’t calling a Church a Rite, as far as I can tell. Speak of “the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris” isn’t saying that a Church is a Rite.

 

[Alexander_Roman]

Benedict has been busy lately what with his trips to Mexico and Cuba, and that little place in Italy (the Vatican)!

Actually, knowing how busy His Holiness truly is - I just drop a letter in the mail to him. He is a traditionalist, so he prefers communications that way . . .

I sent His Holiness my Akathist to Blessed John Paul II - and received a very nice and enthusiastic reply back, together with a signed photographed of His Holiness.

I highly recommend snail-mail over any other form of communication with the Sovereign Pontiff!

Alex

 

[Vico]

As does Canon Law:

Each code refers to a respective church or churches, but then not so when an other church is specifically mentioned, and there is also a list of canons (that I posted on this forum once) that are universally applicable. Also Pastor Bonus is universally applicable.

 

[Vico]

Even that statement from the 1983 Canon Law isn’t calling a Church a Rite, as far as I can tell. Speak of “the rite of another ritual Church sui iuris” isn’t saying that a Church is a Rite.

I did not give any example in those. Here are two canons (CIC) that use ritus:

Can. 383
§1 In exercising his pastoral office, the diocesan Bishop is to be solicitous for all Christ’s faithful entrusted to his care, whatever their age, condition or nationality, whether they live in the territory or are visiting there. He is to show an apostolic spirit also to those who, because of their condition of life, are not sufficiently able to benefit from ordinary pastoral care, and to those who have lapsed from religious practice.
§2 If he has faithful of a different rite in his diocese, he is to provide for their spiritual needs either by means of priests or parishes of the same rite, or by an episcopal Vicar.
§3 He is to act with humanity and charity to those who are not in full communion with the catholic Church - he should also foster ecumenism as it is understood by the Church.
§4 He is to consider the non-baptised as commended to him in the Lord, so that the charity of Christ, of which the Bishop must be a witness to all, may shine also on them.

Can. 383 — § 1. In exercendo munere pastoris, Episcopus dioecesanus sollicitum se praebeat erga omnes christifideles qui suae curae committuntur, cuiusvis sint aetatis, condicionis vel nationis, tum in territorio habitantes tum in eodem ad tempus versantes, animum intendens apostolicum ad eos etiam qui ob vitae suae condicionem ordinaria cura pastorali non satis frui valeant necnon ad eos qui a religionis praxi defecerint.
§ 2. Fideles diversi ritus in sua dioecesi si habeat, eorum spiritualibus necessitatibus provideat sive per sacerdotes aut paroecias eiusdem ritus, sive per Vicarium episcopalem.
§ 3. Erga fratres, qui in plena communione cum Ecclesia catholica non sint, cum humanitate et caritate se gerat, oecumenismum quoque fovens prout ab Ecclesia intellegitur.
§ 4. Commendatos sibi in Domino habeat non baptizatos, ut et ipsis caritas eluceat Christi, cuius testis coram omnibus Episcopus esse debet.

Can. 476 As often as the good governance of the diocese requires it, the diocesan Bishop can also appoint one or more episcopal Vicars. These have the same ordinary power as the universal law gives to a Vicar general, in accordance with the following canons. The competence of an episcopal Vicar, however, is limited to a determined part of the diocese, or to a specific type of activity, or to the faithful of a particular rite, or to certain groups of people.

Can. 476 — Quoties rectum dioecesis regimen id requirat, constitui etiam possunt ab Episcopo dioecesano unus vel plures Vicarii episcopales, qui nempe aut in determinata dioecesis parte aut in certo negotiorum genere aut quoad fideles determinati ritus vel certi personarum coetus, eadem gaudent potestate ordinaria, quae iure universali Vicario generali competit, ad normam canonum qui sequuntur.

 

[dochawk]

Actually, knowing how busy His Holiness truly is - I just drop a letter in the mail to him. He is a traditionalist, so he prefers communications that way . . .

I’ve tried, but his secretary is just so slow at engraving in stone, that I’ve given up.



hawk