Top Five Christian Thinkers/Theologians/Philosophers?

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I don’t think Boethius is a saint. Did he write anything other than De consolatione philosophiae?
He wrote a treatise on the Trinity and some other theological works, as well as the more strictly philosophical works mentioned above.

And the OP said “Christian thinkers” broadly, which would definitely include Boethius!

Edwin
 
St. Thomas Aquinas
St. Paul
St. Augustine
Bernard Lonergan tied with Aristotle
Fr. Francisco Suarez tied with Fr. Robert Spitzer

God bless,
jd
 
St. Thomas Aquinas
St. Paul
St. Augustine
Bernard Lonergan tied with Aristotle
Fr. Francisco Suarez tied with Fr. Robert Spitzer

God bless,
jd
Wow JD, you rank Fr. Spitzer up with the greats? Now I have to check out his “new proves for the existence of God” book after my current read.
 
Early days?
St. Paul
St. Irenaeus
Origen
St. Peter
St. John the Evangelist

Middle Ages?
St. Augustine of Hippo
St. Thomas Aquinas
St. Bonaventure
Bl. John Dons Scotus
St. Anselm of Canterbury

Since then?
St. Robert Bellarmine
Francisco Suarez
G.K Chesterton
Karl Barth (disagree with him, but he had a lot of influence in Protestantism)
Our present day pope (just cuz I’m out of ideas and I know he’s smart!)

Also St. Dominic, St. Francis of Assisi, and St. Ignatius of Loyola, just because their orders had a ton of influence on Catholic theology/philosophy.

All Star team (of 5):
1****St. Paul
2****St. Augustine of Hippo
3****St. Thomas Aquinas
4****St. Bonaventure
5****St. Anselm of Canterbury
 
I’d toss in:

St. John of the Cross
Meister Eckhart
Reginald Garigou-Lagrange
St. Teresa of Avila
 
Jesus
Mary
John the Baptist
Thomas Aquinas?
St Francis of Assisi?
(don’t know all the Christian, Catholic thinkers)
 
I’d toss in:

St. John of the Cross
Meister Eckhart
Reginald Garigou-Lagrange
St. Teresa of Avila
I’m surprised Dr Lagrange (along with Dr Gilson) haven’t received more attention in this thread as the pre-eminent Thomists of the 20th century; Balthasar has received surprisingly little as well. Dr Lagrange may not have been the most original of thinkers, but he was a modern Thomist beyond compare (I don’t know if Oderberg will ever begin to compare, but, I have a feeling if Oderberg turned his mind to Religion, that he could).

I just can’t help but feel there’s something off, when promoting popular apologists or aphorism-makers like CS Lewis and GK Chesterton as being on the same level as the Greats, or even the greatest of the modern apologists, such as William Lane Craig, who isn’t really that much of an original thinker in his own right, but a great distiller of information, teacher, and defender of the faith (even if it’s not the Catholic faith) against infidels: he has no problem cutting out the parts of a defense that “don’t fit” in a modern metaphysics, so that the argument might be better appreciated to the standard modern man who knows not of the Classics, but such is a slippery slope. Unless CS Lewis was the first person to articulate the argument from morality (I don’t know if he was): if he was, he deserves a mention along with the Greats. Edward Feser is more original than most of them, as far as I can tell, and is a good defender of the ancient, correct metaphysics, and has what I’ve heard atheists call the typical “priest’s slipperiness” for being able to reconcile damn near any dogma with current interpretations of science.

Unlike St Thomas and Karl Barth, yet, Alvin Plantinga is probably the most original of all Christian thinkers still living, but his religious ontology and epistemology is heavily stained by a Reformed conception of religion and a very analytic style of philosophy. Balthasar was the most original in contemporary history, and is likely the greatest original Catholic philosopher since the decline of Scholasticism. Kierkegaard was one of the best in close to contemporary history, but his philosophy unwittingly (or not) opened the door for the academic decay of the Christian faith even more than the rise of the higher criticism, by leaving it open for such as Bultmann.
 
Just for fun - who are your personal top five Christian (Catholic/Protestant/Orthodox) thinkers? They don’t have to necessarily be strictly theologians, just famous thinkers/saints/philosophers/apologists or what have you that you enjoy the most. 👍
Mine are:
  1. St. Thomas Aquinas
  2. Origen
  3. St. Bonaventure
  4. The collected sayings of the Desert Fathers (cheating a little here):rolleyes:
  5. St. Francis of Assisi
Augustine should be the top of every list

but your list is pretty good

a pretty good modern thinker esipcally with theological anthropology is Hans Urs von Balthasar

I don’t know how they would rank up against these people though
 
  1. Ausgustine - he got some things wrong, but he got most of it right in a primitive time
Augustine maybe had one of the greatest break throughs in trinitarian theology at the time, and his explanation of the trinity pretty much closed the book on all arguments on how can a trinity exist.

His love analogy and his Psychological analogy are two of the greatest things he has ever done, and it is just a small sliver of some of the stuff he did when he was alive.

Augustine may be the greatest theologian of the Church and maybe one of the world’s greatest thinkers.
 
Not a lot of love for Kierkegaard here. 😦

Although he was a Protestant, I definitely recommend a few of his books!
 
“I’m surprised Dr Lagrange (along with Dr Gilson) haven’t received more attention in this thread as the pre-eminent Thomists of the 20th century; Balthasar has received surprisingly little as well. Dr Lagrange may not have been the most original of thinkers, but he was a modern Thomist beyond compare (I don’t know if Oderberg will ever begin to compare, but, I have a feeling if Oderberg turned his mind to Religion, that he could).”

Gilson has been extremely influential in France.
Thanks to him medieval philosophy ‘entered’ university. Before him, it was totally disregarded, as scientism and rationalism was very popular in french university.
He showed that St Thomas didnt not to fall into what Heidegger called ontotheology, ie St Thomas didn’t mistake the being (esse) with essence and didn’t objectify it.

J-L Marion (a phenomenologist) is also very interesting but his “condamnation” of metaphysics is perhaps too unilateral. (cf “God without being”)
 
I really can’t pick just 5 from the last 2000 years. From very early in the Church:

St John the Evangelist
St Paul
St Augustine
St Irenaeus
St Athanasius
St Ambrose
St John Chrysostom

Middle ages and a little later:

St Thomas Aquinas
St Bonaventure
St Robert Bellarmine
St Bernard of Clairvaux
St Francis de Sales
St Louis de Montfort
St Teresa of Avila
St John of the Cross

More modern times up to today:

GK Chesterton
Archbishop Fulton Sheen
Frank Sheed
Dr. Scott Hahn
Dr. Ludwig Ott
Cardinal Gibbons

…and last but not least and IMO the best of modern times, our Holy Father, Pope Benedcit XVI, who I think will be declared a Doctor of the Church some day.

There are many, many others I know I missed. If I HAD to pick only 5 from all time, I would say with not absolute certainty:

St Paul
St Augustine
St Thomas Aquinas
Frank Sheed
Pope Benedict the XVI
 
I’m surprised Dr Lagrange (along with Dr Gilson) haven’t received more attention in this thread as the pre-eminent Thomists of the 20th century;
I thought about Gilson for a moment, but he’s important mostly for summarizing and expounding medieval philosophy. I owe him a great debt in that regard, but I wouldn’t put him in a list of “top thinkers” in his own right. I have read much less of Garrigou-Lagrange–as you say, he’s not particularly original but certainly important.
Balthasar has received surprisingly little as well. Dr Lagrange may not have been the most original of thinkers, but he was a modern Thomist beyond compare (I don’t know if Oderberg will ever begin to compare, but, I have a feeling if Oderberg turned his mind to Religion, that he could).
I think my old friend Matt Levering is in the course of surpassing Garrigou-Lagrange. But that may be just my personal bias–I knew him for a year at Duke way back in the day, and naturally am happy (as well as envious) that he seems to be attaining a good deal of renown.
I just can’t help but feel there’s something off, when promoting popular apologists or aphorism-makers like CS Lewis and GK Chesterton as being on the same level as the Greats, or even the greatest of the modern apologists, such as William Lane Craig, who isn’t really that much of an original thinker in his own right, but a great distiller of information, teacher, and defender of the faith (even if it’s not the Catholic faith) against infidels: he has no problem cutting out the parts of a defense that “don’t fit” in a modern metaphysics, so that the argument might be better appreciated to the standard modern man who knows not of the Classics, but such is a slippery slope.
Well, I find little value in Craig, frankly. I don’t think he’s worthy of being mentioned in the same breath with Lewis or Chesterton.

But then, you and I view the world very differently, and that is reflected in our preferences here!

I took the OP post as an invitation to a serious ranking of Christian “thinkers,” which his impossible, but to a fairly impressionistic and personal list. And that’s what I provided. The omission of Augustine from my list is, objectively, unpardonable–but I’ve become rather disenchanted with Augustine in recent years and deliberately emphasized other figures. Obviously Augustine’s immensely important and of great value, but I would view him perhaps more the way you view Kierkegaard (I think I may view Kierkegaard that way as well, but I haven’t read enough of him to have an informed opinion).
Unless CS Lewis was the first person to articulate the argument from morality (I don’t know if he was): if he was, he deserves a mention along with the Greats.
Well, I don’t mention Lewis primarily for his arguments but for his wit and imagination–qualities which I gather you value less than I do:D.

I was thinking this morning about a way to rework the argument from morality, though. . . .
Unlike St Thomas and Karl Barth, yet, Alvin Plantinga is probably the most original of all Christian thinkers still living, but his religious ontology and epistemology is heavily stained by a Reformed conception of religion and a very analytic style of philosophy.
Agreed. I got to hear him in person last year–definitely a very interesting guy.
Balthasar was the most original in contemporary history, and is likely the greatest original Catholic philosopher since the decline of Scholasticism. Kierkegaard was one of the best in close to contemporary history, but his philosophy unwittingly (or not) opened the door for the academic decay of the Christian faith even more than the rise of the higher criticism, by leaving it open for such as Bultmann.
Unfortunately, my knowledge of von Balthasar and Kierkegaard is very limited. I suspect that if I read more von Balthasar, he’d’ be on my list–I’m not so sure about Kierkegaard because of his fideism.

Edwin
 
I thought Either/Or was an excellent book. Not as good as Karamazov, but still good.
 
Subjectively speaking (Kierkegaard would have appreciated this), Kierkegaard has been one of the most influential of Christian thinkers. I’ve been deeply influenced by his ideas on God, love, despair. He’s made me that much more of an existentialist and for that I can’t thank him enough.
 
Subjectively speaking (Kierkegaard would have appreciated this), Kierkegaard has been one of the most influential of Christian thinkers. I’ve been deeply influenced by his ideas on God, love, despair. He’s made me that much more of an existentialist and for that I can’t thank him enough.
He is most definitely influential, but I prefer other Christian existentialists such as Berdyaev, Marcel, and Tillich. Kierkegaard in small doses is fine, but his rampantly self-destructive search to be as authentically Christian as possible, I think caused him to miss the point entirely. But he was a profound thinker, no doubt about it.
 
St. Augustine, St. Anselm, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Bonaventure, St. Francis of Assisi!
 
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