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Grace_Angel said:
Donnafay,
I dont understand why you would not go to Mass while studying the OT. The OT is the history of Jesus, and our history. Every Sunday when we go to Mass the first reading is from the OT and we see a fulfilment of it in the new Testament being read immediately after.
I have done much OT study, but that lead me to love and understand the NT more and better rather than less.
Please dont neglect the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, it is important for your understanding of scripture and for your relationship with Jesus.
Blessings
GraceAngel.
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That’s one of the things that I’ve learned from my study of the OT, just how closely the Catholic Liturgy follows the OT liturgy.

Take the priest’s words as he blesses the bread and wine after the Offeratory. They mirror the words of Jesus Christ, and other priests throughout Jewish history, as they would offer up the gifts at the Passover dinner.

Probably He (Jesus) used a common Jewish blessing, such as: “May you be blessed, Our Lord God, king of the world, you cause the land to produce the bread.” Over the chalice He may well have used a common Jewish blessing: “Blessed are you, O Lord Our God, King of the Universe, Creator of the fruit of the vine.”

As in our Eucharistic Prayers, there were more than one acceptable prayer for blessing the bread and wine. But this one sure sounds a lot like those used today in the Mass.
 
Also, What Scriptures were read during a Jewish service? First, something from the Torah (the Law) was read. Then a Psalm was recited, sometimes with music, in the form that we use today (Responsorial). Then a reading would come from one of the prophets.

Does that sound familiar?
 
yeoldwoodturner said:
Hello Fox,

In the Old Testament God makes the Jews the Chosen People. This Choice still stands. I’d be very careful about bashing Jews as they are still the Chosen People!

Jerry
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I’m not bashing Jews, I’m stating facts. It is our duty to show the Jewish people the error of their theology in a tactful manner.
 
NotWorthy said:
Also, What Scriptures were read during a Jewish service? First, something from the Torah (the Law) was read. Then a Psalm was recited, sometimes with music, in the form that we use today (Responsorial). Then a reading would come from one of the prophets.

Does that sound familiar?
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another similarity is that both the Catholic church and the synagogues use cantors. at least the Catholic churches i have attended.
 
Fox said:
I’m not bashing Jews, I’m stating facts. It is our duty to show the Jewish people the error of their theology in a tactful manner.
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and that is what keeps the Jewish people from wanting to befriend Christians much of the time i believe. the Jewish people do not feel like they are in error and they are very obedient to the mitzvot
they believe God wants them to follow.

i feel that everything will happen in God’s time and that the Jews are still God’s chosen people and perhaps Jews opening their eyes to the Gospel is not going to happen overnight, but a slow process. the Jewish community is very strong and their faith means a lot to them, their holidays, their history, etc.
 
7_Sorrows said:
and that is what keeps the Jewish people from wanting to befriend Christians much of the time i believe. the Jewish people do not feel like they are in error and they are very obedient to the mitzvot
they believe God wants them to follow.

i feel that everything will happen in God’s time and that the Jews are still God’s chosen people and perhaps Jews opening their eyes to the Gospel is not going to happen overnight, but a slow process. the Jewish community is very strong and their faith means a lot to them, their holidays, their history, etc.
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Again, it is our duty as Christians to show them their errors Tactfully. That is the key word. Wrong is wrong as far a I am concerned.
 
yes, being tactful is very important. i think if the opportunity arises and you feel comfortable with the person or group, you can try to tell them why you are Catholic and believe the way you do.

they will let you know how receptive they are to hearing more.
 
NotWorthy said:
That’s one of the things that I’ve learned from my study of the OT, just how closely the Catholic Liturgy follows the OT liturgy.

Take the priest’s words as he blesses the bread and wine after the Offeratory. They mirror the words of Jesus Christ, and other priests throughout Jewish history, as they would offer up the gifts at the Passover dinner.

Probably He (Jesus) used a common Jewish blessing, such as: “May you be blessed, Our Lord God, king of the world, you cause the land to produce the bread.” Over the chalice He may well have used a common Jewish blessing: “Blessed are you, O Lord Our God, King of the Universe, Creator of the fruit of the vine.”

As in our Eucharistic Prayers, there were more than one acceptable prayer for blessing the bread and wine. But this one sure sounds a lot like those used today in the Mass.
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Absolutely He would have used those words and carefully read the words and the great beauty found in them.
Do a scrutazzio of that whole passage and see where it takes you. The journey through the scrutazzio will be a journey of great joy.
GraceAngel.
 
Grace_Angel said:
Absolutely He would have used those words and carefully read the words and the great beauty found in them.
Do a scrutazzio of that whole passage and see where it takes you. The journey through the scrutazzio will be a journey of great joy.
GraceAngel.
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Scrutazzio… yeah… uh, what’s scrutazzio? Isn’t that an appetizer at Macaroni Grill? I love those!
 
NotWorthy said:
Scrutazzio… yeah… uh, what’s scrutazzio? Isn’t that an appetizer at Macaroni Grill? I love those!
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Yes Notworthy, it could be an appetiser both on the literal sense and spiritual sense.
“Scrutazzio” is a close scrutiny of that passage of interest.
Follow all the links, e.g. footnotes, sidenotes, links to other readings, and from these links to other readings still, and see at the root of the search what God is saying to you through this journey of “food” seeking.
Alternatively you can enjoy the appetised at Macaroni Grill. Whenever I have a interest or difficulty with scriptural something I try (because it takes time to do it well, always covered in prayer- especially the prayer of the pilgrim "Lord Jesus Christ have Mercy on me a sinner) and do a scrutazzio and see what the Word is for me.
Hope this helps “whets” your appetite.
GraceAngel.
 
Grace_Angel said:
Yes Notworthy, it could be an appetiser both on the literal sense and spiritual sense.
“Scrutazzio” is a close scrutiny of that passage of interest.
Follow all the links, e.g. footnotes, sidenotes, links to other readings, and from these links to other readings still, and see at the root of the search what God is saying to you through this journey of “food” seeking.
Alternatively you can enjoy the appetised at Macaroni Grill. Whenever I have a interest or difficulty with scriptural something I try (because it takes time to do it well, always covered in prayer- especially the prayer of the pilgrim "Lord Jesus Christ have Mercy on me a sinner) and do a scrutazzio and see what the Word is for me.
Hope this helps “whets” your appetite.
GraceAngel.
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Wow! Thanks! I actually do this from time to time, albeit not quite as deep. I’ll tackle something, let it simmer while reflecting on it, then come back to it. By then the yeast in the verses has risen and I’ve got a much fuller “appetizer”!!! I"ve never heard the word “Scrutazzio” before! I like that.

Thanks for the gem!!! Or should I say, the new Recipe! 😉
 
you guys are making me really hungry! I think this has turned into a great topic for further discussion. Wait a minute - - where are we in this discussion? Oh, yes, Torah / food / faith…

Blessings!
 
I can’t cant, but I can cant privately and badly so thers can’t hear me cant. 😃
 
NotWorthy said:
Wow! Thanks! I actually do this from time to time, albeit not quite as deep. I’ll tackle something, let it simmer while reflecting on it, then come back to it. By then the yeast in the verses has risen and I’ve got a much fuller “appetizer”!!! I"ve never heard the word “Scrutazzio” before! I like that.

Thanks for the gem!!! Or should I say, the new Recipe! 😉
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OK NW, both a gem and recipe. Try doing a scrutazzio of the words of consecration of both species and see what happens. Its magnificent. I am going to be away for 3 weeks and not in computer territory but perhaps you might let me know how you went and I will read it when I return home.
You could even try an indepth scrutazzio of “The Word was made Flesh and dwelt amongst us” Watch for the language of tabernacling, and cloud, and Shekinah.
Bless your journey.
GraceAngel.
 
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