Torture Devises of the Passion at Alter

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I appreciate you agreeing that my church goes overboard abit.

As for the other, I can’t really make an intellegent comment because in some cases, as you mentioned, things are done in a completely different culture. Also, God speaks to each heart individually, and each person has their own idea of a proper responce to Our Lord. I would never fault what I don’t see or undertand, myself. I was in a Cloister and required to selfflagellate here in California. So things do go on in the U.S.

In my church’s case, it is sactioned by our Priest and forced on young and old alike.
Your church HARDLY goes overboard. In our American culture everything has been dumbed down, I guess its even ok to now dumb down the passion of Christ. God forbid we are reminded of the awesome price Christ paid for us!!

Ever heard the word iconoclast?
 
At our Church we have a Cat-o-Nine-Tails, 2 1/2ft 4 inch thorns - crown of thorns, 7" Nails,
Mallet, Ropes, red scarf draped to resemble the flow of blood, 4 large stones. All “Artfuly Arranged” directly in front of the alter.:eek: I think this is TOO much, especially for children and people of delicate sensibilities. I can’t even bare to watch the Passion! People are all different and express their remorse and penetential feelings differently. I REALLY don’t think this whole thing is necessary. As Lent goes on there will be even more instruments of torture added. What do you think, do you have children and how do you think they would respond, does your church do something similiar?
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Tacky and unduly literalistic. If the suffering of our Lord needs to be brought home to people, the sermon might be a good place to do it. The altar doesn’t need to be cluttered with things that are not used in the sacred mysteries. This reminds me of those dreadful crosses with purple stoles and crowns of thorns that you sometimes see in Evangelical churches. If Christ crucified is being preached at your church, there is no need for this.
 
As a matter of fact, we DO have two boards nailed together with a purple stole draped across! How’d you guess?
 
The Latin quote is my signature and has nothing to do with the topic. Sorry for confusing you.:o

What I meant in my post is that people should understand that while we are sitting at the feet of the Calvary we do not need to see the blood and the cruelty of the crucifixion. We should be able to transcend that and just offer the perfect sacrifice to God without the need for gory details. Mass is for God not for us.

If we need to reflect on the sufferings of the Christ we have the Stations of the Cross.
If we need to reflect on the sufferings of the Christ we have the Stations of the Cross.

I agree. Maybe it would be best for you to try another parish even if it’s just for the simple fact that you will be more comfortable.
 
Grace & Peace!

Has anyone yet mentioned the old English practice (still carried on today) of the Lenten Array? Instead of Purple/Violet, pre-Reformation Churches in England vested their altars in sackcloth or unbleached linen that was sometimes decorated with the instruments of the Passion. The custom was apparently revived in the 1920’s. Here are examples:

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Type “Lenten Array” into a search engine and you’ll get all manner of pictures and sites.

From the original post, it sounds like someone has run a bit too wild with the Lenten Array idea…

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
At an unused side altar or in front of a covered statue would be more appropriate. I do think Americans need the visceral reminder of what that gold cross around their necks actually means. (Yes, I am also a “fan” of the ‘bloody’ crucifixes.)
I absolutely agree with this. A parish we frequent a lot has a statue, just slightly smaller than life sized, of the scourged Christ. It is horrible to see and brought a friend to tears when she saw it for the first time. It is most often kept in the Adoration Chapel near the confessionals, and very often people will kneel there before this statue and pray their penance. It is an extremely moving experience.

I found it!!!

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This is Father Val - may God rest his soul in peace. He was a most holy priest and many think he is likely destined for sainthood. He always cried such beautiful tears at the Consecration. He is very missed. 😦

~Liza
 
This is Father Val - may God rest his soul in peace. He was a most holy priest and many think he is likely destined for sainthood. He always cried such beautiful tears at the Consecration. He is very missed. 😦

~Liza
I wish we had that statue at my parish. 🙂 Most every parish a statue like this. It reminds me of the 15 Prayers of St. Bridget, the booklet Tan Books puts out to pray them has images of this kind.
 
A remarkable statue. Thank you so much Liza; and such a precious priest.

Father through our observance of Lent help us to understand the meaning of your Son’s death and resurrection and teach us to reflect it in our lives.

Through Christ our Lord. Amen
 
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