TOTAL Blasphemy in the Episcopal Church

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SpiritMeadow said:
And of course you would raise the roof should we start down the road to all the errant priests and clergy in the RCC down through the ages wouldn’t you? And rightly so. There is no need, since both of us have more than enough persons in our respective faith communities who are embarrassments. Please refrain from this tit for tat.
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I spent at least 20 years of my adult life as an Episcopalian. I lived with those issues I cited. I spent much time (8 years) and prayer deciding to be a Catholic
I was pointing out that the newest “blasphemy” is not really anything more shocking than has been going on for years.
 
slyboots said:
"By the late 1960s, national church authorities were dispensing millions of dollars of missionary funds collected from parishes and dioceses to radical political movements across the land - Black Power groups, migrant farm workers, Afro-American thespians, native American organizers, Puerto Rican nationalists, Marxist documentary film producers, and Third World liberation movements. "
episcopalnet.org/TRACTS/TrendierThanThou.html

Presiding Bishop Hines and the Archbishop of Canterbury were also very pro ABC.

The TEC has been in trouble for a long time. WO was not the first issue.

“Episcopalians have seen it all: bishops proudly ordaining active homosexuals and an official church court declaring (with more than a tinge of satisfaction) that no discernible doctrine prohibits such a practice; general apathy toward moral issues such as abortion that engage other Christians; disrespect for scriptural authority; sluggishness in evangelizing; the trial and conviction of the national church treasurer on charges of embezzling $2.1 million to support herself and her Episcopal priest-husband; bishops implicated in adultery; seminary approval of homosexual living arrangements for students; a major East Coast diocese riven by the style and agenda of its radical bishop. Unsurprisingly, membership in America�s formerly most prestigious church has fallen by a third since 1965”
leaderu.com/ftissues/ft9711/opinion/murchison.html

“…Bishop Frank Griswold, the current Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, USA. Bishop Griswold has put out to sea in favor of homosexuality–and it just might get his church put out of the Anglican Communion.”
albertmohler.com/commentary_read.php?cdate=2003-10-02

"Presiding Bishop-elect Katharine Jefferts Schori: “Our mother Jesus gives birth to a new creation. And you and I are His children.”
breusswane.blogspot.com/2006/06/new-episcopal-presiding-bishop-our.html

Black Panthers, Homosexuality, Mother Jesus, and then there is the strange life and death of Bishop Pike…

"Personal problems caught up with Bishop Pike as the 1960s reached their turbulent climax. A chain smoker with an active attention-seeking personality, he had overcome a drinking problem in 1964. The suicide of his oldest son in 1966, and subsequent paranormal events, led him on a long and highly public search, aided by noted psychics and mediums, to reach and reconcile with his son. In 1967 he divorced Esther Pike, and the following year married his secretary, Dianne Kennedy. "

gracecathedral.org/content/arts/cry_20011114.shtml
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Great post, sly. I couldn’t agree more. Anyone who thinks this is a legitimate “church” that is evangelizing, preaching the truth in love, and teaching the moral and salvific love of Christ in earnest is totally fooling themselves. It’s a mirror church. Look in the mirror and there’s your god…
 
slyboots said:
I spent at least 20 years of my adult life as an Episcopalian. I lived with those issues I cited. I spent much time (8 years) and prayer deciding to be a Catholic
I was pointing out that the newest “blasphemy” is not really anything more shocking than has been going on for years.
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I thought spiritmeadow said, “I’m out of here!” a few posts back. Looks like he changed his mind and is still on the prowl! 😃

I thnk the fact that you spent 8 long years praying and discerning and studying Catholicism shows you didn’t do it with haste or on a whim. You took your salvation seriously and in a thoughtful manner. You did things cautiously and gave the TEC every chance to amend its insanity. My wife and I spent about two years mulling this stuff over and it was tough to leave. But TEC’s 1960’s hippie commune theology put us over the top. While we loved our local parish, anything in league with that anathema couldn’t be on the right road! I’m sure glad you came to the RCC, sly!

Your brother in Christ,
Scott
 
slyboots said:
I spent at least 20 years of my adult life as an Episcopalian. I lived with those issues I cited. I spent much time (8 years) and prayer deciding to be a Catholic
I was pointing out that the newest “blasphemy” is not really anything more shocking than has been going on for years.
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This is quite true.

GKC
 
Talk about hilarious was this statement by Schiori recently, I’ll provide the link to the whole article…

This did not prevent Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori from firing off a salvo of her own warning the Church of England that it should not recognize the new Anglican Church in North America, arguing “schism is not a Christian act.” The recognition of ACNA is likely to encourage more departures, she opined.
If she is so confident in her theology and the sound, profoundly moralistic and visionary agenda that she has set for her ‘church’ then why is Schiori so nervous about future splinter groups? Is she possibly worried that transgender/gay/lesbian/bisexual ordinations, no moral standards, female bishops, pro-abortion, pagan goddess theology is not going to win more converts? Hmmmm…

Between its aging, sagging, anemic attendance and financial woes to come from the lawsuit machine, and its liberal free-for-all, the TEC is on a collision course with total irrelevance…

virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10816
 
This article: virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10849 is just amazing…

Why would the TEC condemn the US and Israel but stick up for the palestinians while turning a blind eye to human rights violations in musim countries? Loud against the Jewish country, quiet on abuses of Islamic nations…hmmmm

This is a fascinating read! Tooley talks about how the TEC used to be at the forefront of defending Israel and its right to exist and now is on the side of liberation theology. And it’s stunning how human rights are not only violated but there is mass rape and slaughter in Sudan and many African nations yet there are no condemnations or concerns presented about those nations? Likewise he points out no resolutions or criticisms of communist/marxist countries (there’s no shocker there!) but there are at least a half dozen complaints and resolutions against Israe and a couple against the United States, our own country. Nice…l. :confused:
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Great post, sly. I couldn’t agree more. Anyone who thinks this is a legitimate “church” that is evangelizing, preaching the truth in love, and teaching the moral and salvific love of Christ in earnest is totally fooling themselves. It’s a mirror church. Look in the mirror and there’s your god…
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Is this where I am reminded by Jesus to turn the other cheek?

God Bless!
 
Oh my bad. I took Gurneyhalleck as being honorable in his two page rather serious explanation of why he believed what he did. I replied in kind. Obviously it was a waste of time and we are back to the usual vile remarks.

Turning on and off the “ignore” to get the last word. I am truly sorry you are so awfully unkind in your remarks. I was hoping to resolve this and I thought you were speaking from the heart. Such was not the case. I am done with you.

I wonder how indeed you look in the mirror. Just another day in the trenches heh? telling everyone off that you so despise. May God bless you.
 
That makes five posts ignored that I can’t read on this page LOL;)
 
Great to see christian charity in full swing here!:rolleyes:

Come on guys! it’s a discussion not a slugfest!
 
make it six, can’t read anything on this thread! lol it’s like call-waiting without having to listen to the other line! lol
 
Louie1983 said:
Great to see christian charity in full swing here!:rolleyes:

Come on guys! it’s a discussion not a slugfest!
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It must be pretty bad, Louie. I can’t read it because they’re on ignore. Encourage them to do the same to me! Invisible to each other is truly for the best with the three of us. Emerald and Spirit are former Catholics who hate the Church and are firmly grounded in the anything-goes liberal mindset of the Episcopal Church. They are not going to change. I’m not going to change. They could ordain hermit crabs and tube worms at the next convention and these two would be apologists for it. Like I said, encourage them to ignore me. I invite it! I’m a stubborn Catholic and I’m not budging either…
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
It must be pretty bad, Louie. I can’t read it because they’re on ignore. Encourage them to do the same to me! Invisible to each other is truly for the best with the three of us. Emerald and Spirit are former Catholics who hate the Church and are firmly grounded in the anything-goes liberal mindset of the Episcopal Church. They are not going to change. I’m not going to change. They could ordain hermit crabs and tube worms at the next convention and these two would be apologists for it. Like I said, encourage them to ignore me.** I invite it! I’m a stubborn Catholic and I’m not budging either…**
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Amen to that!

However the frustrating thing i find on this forum is that when people can’t respond to a post they usually decide to take it as an insult. Catholics and non-catholics are guilty of this, a lot of people confuse direct, frank and honest dialogue with insults. Pretty weak armour if you ask me.

Keep up the fight Gurneyhalleck! But out of love for christ and fellow man, not out of anger and spite. (not accusing you of doing this but it’s a good reminder for everyone!)
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
It must be pretty bad, Louie. I can’t read it because they’re on ignore. Encourage them to do the same to me! Invisible to each other is truly for the best with the three of us. Emerald and Spirit are former Catholics who hate the Church and are firmly grounded in the anything-goes liberal mindset of the Episcopal Church. They are not going to change. I’m not going to change. They could ordain hermit crabs and tube worms at the next convention and these two would be apologists for it. Like I said, encourage them to ignore me. I invite it! I’m a stubborn Catholic and I’m not budging either…
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Gurney,

I can’t believe that you honestly have me on ignore. It is very sad from my point of view that from something that I thought was once a friendship has come to this point. I also can’t understand why and how you can make the claim that I hate the Roman Catholic Church–that is just junk!

God Bless!
Your Sister in Christ
 
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Louie1983:
Amen to that!

However the frustrating thing i find on this forum is that when people can’t respond to a post they usually decide to take it as an insult. Catholics and non-catholics are guilty of this, a lot of people confuse direct, frank and honest dialogue with insults. Pretty weak armour if you ask me.

Keep up the fight Gurneyhalleck! But out of love for christ and fellow man, not out of anger and spite. (not accusing you of doing this but it’s a good reminder for everyone!)

Thanks, Louie. Despite what some of these folks think, it’s not out of anger. Emerald is actually a really nice person in real life. I don’t know spiritmeadow. But I do know their beliefs are not in line with scripture, tradition, or reason, the “three legged stool” of Anglicanism itself. I wish them well, not ill, but I cannot and will not yield to those who are pro-abortion, women’s ordination, or sympathetic to the new world order we’re seeing in spirituality which is, for lack of a better term, moral relativism. It’s more of a frustration and profound sadness to see people believing things like this than hatred. If I hated 'em, I wouldn’t waste the time debating them, period. They’re probaby better people than I am, won’t get any argument out of me. But the insults and smears and lack of a sense of humor is stifling lol…

I agree that people who cannot respond to a post turn things into insults. I totally agree.

If I ask these folks to do show me proof from either the scriptures or tradition or BOTH preferably that:

a) abortion is acceptable
b) women’s ordination is acceptable
c) cross-dressers can be clergy
d) gays/lesbians should be clergy
e) god is a woman/goddess with a dual nature
f) Jesus expects us to just have a relationship with Him, no repentence necessary
g) Taking communion merely involves being baptized, not sharing a common confession of faith with a repentence
h) Repentence is not necessary and no confession or reconiliation is needed

No Episcopalian can prove any of these notions because, until the 1500’s and even more specifically before 1970 none of this garbage existed. It’s a mirror religion of self-affirmation and it’s dangerous.

Thanks for the kind words, Louie! I need the encouragement! Their armour may be weak but mine’s two-ply cevlar with reinforced titanium four inches thick, man! LOL:thumbsup:
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Thanks, Louie. Despite what some of these folks think, it’s not out of anger. Emerald is actually a really nice person in real life. I don’t know spiritmeadow. But I do know their beliefs are not in line with scripture, tradition, or reason, the “three legged stool” of Anglicanism itself. I wish them well, not ill, but I cannot and will not yield to those who are pro-abortion, women’s ordination, or sympathetic to the new world order we’re seeing in spirituality which is, for lack of a better term, moral relativism. It’s more of a frustration and profound sadness to see people believing things like this than hatred. If I hated 'em, I wouldn’t waste the time debating them, period. They’re probaby better people than I am, won’t get any argument out of me. But the insults and smears and lack of a sense of humor is stifling lol…

I agree that people who cannot respond to a post turn things into insults. I totally agree.

If I ask these folks to do show me proof from either the scriptures or tradition or BOTH preferably that:

a) abortion is acceptable
b) women’s ordination is acceptable
c) cross-dressers can be clergy
d) gays/lesbians should be clergy
e) god is a woman/goddess with a dual nature
f) Jesus expects us to just have a relationship with Him, no repentence necessary
g) Taking communion merely involves being baptized, not sharing a common confession of faith with a repentence
h) Repentence is not necessary and no confession or reconiliation is needed

No Episcopalian can prove any of these notions because, until the 1500’s and even more specifically before 1970 none of this garbage existed. It’s a mirror religion of self-affirmation and it’s dangerous.

Thanks for the kind words, Louie! I need the encouragement! Their armour may be weak but mine’s two-ply cevlar with reinforced titanium four inches thick, man! LOL:thumbsup:
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Nice post! very nice post! I absolutely agree with everything you have said there. and i want some of your armour! lol

You will find all the strength and encouragement you need when in front of the blessed sacrament! and also the support of the pope and all the bishops, priests and lay people who are loyal to christ and his church! they are all behind you!
 
does anyone feel that the leniency shown by our new president as far as making June the month to honor gays and lesbians, etc. and other things that he has promised to this group given the green light to the episcopal church to vote and stop the moratorium on ordaining gay bishops?

i think knowing that we have a more liberal president has sent a signal to the churches that it is okay to be more liberal also.

our current president is definitely not an evangelical christian and i think the episcopal church feels free to do whatever they want.
 
7_Sorrows said:
does anyone feel that the leniency shown by our new president as far as making June the month to honor gays and lesbians, etc. and other things that he has promised to this group given the green light to the episcopal church to vote and stop the moratorium on ordaining gay bishops?

i think knowing that we have a more liberal president has sent a signal to the churches that it is okay to be more liberal also.

our current president is definitely not an evangelical christian and i think the episcopal church feels free to do whatever they want.
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Not that i can comment being all the way down here in Australia but i think that’s the way the world is heading, everything is acceptable (almost everything anyway). It’s the simple result of a world moving further and further away form god.

It’s only going to get uglier.
 
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