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It was attributed to two named liberal prelates, and indignantly denied. Other stuff was on the record, though.
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For what does it profit a man to gain a chicken dinner only to lose his soul…
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within the past 3-4 years, i left TEC for Rome. Best decision I ever made.
For Episcopalians considering Rome, pray the Rosary!
For Episcopalians considering Rome, pray the Rosary!
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read the “articles of religion” in the back of the BCP, in which the catholic doctrine of transubstantiation is rejected.
the biggest difference between the roman and anglican view of the communion service is that the former views it as a re-presentation of Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary, whereas the Anglican Church does not.
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agreed. anglican acceptance of artificial contraception–which has led to women priests, acceptance of homosexuality, etc.–is the real issue.
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“Only one thing bought me and still buys me, and that’s the cross and nothing else.”For what does it profit a man to gain a chicken dinner only to lose his soul…
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The Articles are not binding on any Anglican, save for the ordinands (technically) of the Church of England, due to the Erastian nature of the CoE. A couple of the African provinces have declared them normative, recently, over the recent odd goings-on in the Anglican Communion, but generally, any Anglican is free to accept, reject, or partially do either, with respect to the Articles. The 1979 prayer book, which EmeraldCoast uses, places the Articles in a section marked "historical documents. It is what they are. It is difficult to get the idea across, against a lot of misconceptions, but I never stop trying.
Many Anglicans, and any Anglo-Catholic, will be happy to explain that the Eucharist is a re-presentation, within time, of the One Sacrifice of the Cross, made present before us on the altar, at the hands of the sacerdotal alter Christus. Some affirm transubsantiation, as per Trent, Session XIII; others leave the Real Presence a Mystery.
Attempting to generalize about Anglicans is generally an error.
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“For all your days be prepared, and meet them ever alike. When you are the anvil, bear - when you are the hammer, strike.”*I would rather be the hammer than the anvil… * Rommel
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It could be worse. Jehovah Witnesses are not free to believe whatever they want. It appears Anglicans are. Being free to believe what they want means they are free to believe truth.
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I think a distiction has to be made from all African anglicans and the church leadrship under Archbishop Akinola. I am sure that TEC loves African christians and the extensive missionary work done by the church is proof enough. And truth be told there probably exists a liberal minority in africa but the political climate of the continent doesn’t allow much exposure.
But it is without a doubt that most episcopalians have disdain from the leadership in Africa. The archbishop has broken off communion with TEC and established missions to set up a new province in TEC territory. Many episcopalians think that the archbishop is a hate mongering bigot because of his support for a national law against homosexuality which includes 5-years imprisonment for being in a pro-gay political gathering and up tp 26 years (name removed by moderator)risonment for homosexual activity in the christian south (death in the muslim north).
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Actually I read a recent study (don’t remember exactly where) that stated that there are two types of churches that are growing in this country: The very conservative and the very liberal. The fence straddlers are dying and the “extremists” are growing.What liberals don’t understand is WHY Anglican churches GROW? Those that grow, like Christ Church Plano in TX or in Africa, all grow because they teach THE GOSPEL, not the Depak Choprah Richard Simmons Gospel that is watered-down with nothing but acceptance to any doctrine or any pagan notion. The churches that GROW do so because they are nurished by the Holy Spirit. I hope that happens for these Anglicans!
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You do not seem to be adequately educated concerning anglican belief on the scarament of communion. You seem to equate rejection of transubstantiation with a rejection of the real presence which it is not. The Orthodox reject transustantiation as well. Anglican belief can be found primarily in the BCP. The prayer of humble access is on page 337
We do not presume to come to this thy Table, O merciful
Lord, trusting in our own righteousness, but in thy manifold
and great mercies. We are not worthy so much as to gather
up the crumbs under thy Table. But thou art the same Lord
whose property is always to have mercy. Grant us therefore,
gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of thy dear Son Jesus Christ,
and to drink his blood, that we may evermore dwell in him,
and he in us. Amen.
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Interesting. It is the “real issue” when Anglican accept conraception but apparently no big deal the the orthodox do so. This doesn’t appear to hinder Roman Catholic enthusasim for reunion in their case. Or perhaps you are opposed to reunion with them as well? You are either out of touch with your own church or you have a double standard.
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Historically, that’s not exactly true, though there has always been a range of doctrine in the Anglican Church(s), from more reformed/evangelical to more Anglo-Catholic. under an umbrella of mere Christianity. But currently, it’s pretty accurate, and there’s no over-arching common thread of orthodoxy.
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Of course, I’d rather be a hammer than a nail. Yes I would, if I only could, I surely would.
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i was episcopalian for 22 years–that’s long enough to know that there is no belief about what happens in communion to which all anglicans assent. my priest, who was a learned man, frequently commented, “we believe in the real presence of christ in the eucharist, but, unlike catholics, we don’t presume to say how it happens.” plus, there are a lot of low church episcopalians who do not believe it is christ’s body and blood.
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yes, it is refreshing to see the humility, simplicity and deep reverence they have for the Christian faith. i also hope that someday anglicanism will reunite with Rome.Very true. African bishops actually came to the States and had to evangelize and mission to the American churches here! It was the AMIA and other groups influenced by this. Peter Akinola, the bishop of Nigeria, has more Anglicans in his diocese than all of England and North America combined! And despite SpiritMeadows protests and demands for apologies, trust me, I have heard liberal Episcopalians mock these Africans as being backwards in spiritual matters as well as being “behind” in their outlooks on women clerics, condoms, and traditional values. They often view them as needing “education” religiously. It actually ended up being the other way around!
And sometimes that witness Africa has to offer benefits we Catholics, too. We all as Christians become a bit liberal in our vision and materialistic. When we have priests visit from India, Africa, Mexico, etc, in my parish we really benefit from hearing their humility, simplicity, and deep reverence. They seem to never tire of hearing the Gospel and they’re zealous in their devotion. I love it! They’ve only been a positive thing for Christianity. I wish Akinola and Bishop Orombi of Uganda the best in their vision of Anglicanism. Who knows? Maybe the form of Anglicanism these brave men are espousing might someday reunite with Rome and Orthodoxy? What liberals don’t understand is WHY Anglican churches GROW? Those that grow, like Christ Church Plano in TX or in Africa, all grow because they teach THE GOSPEL, not the Depak Choprah Richard Simmons Gospel that is watered-down with nothing but acceptance to any doctrine or any pagan notion. The churches that GROW do so because they are nurished by the Holy Spirit. I hope that happens for these Anglicans!
many episcopalians don’t seem to realize that the changes they are wanting to make are offensive to the African anglicans - homosexuality, same sex blessings and perhaps later marriages, ordaining gay bishops, ordaining female priests. while TEC is very concerned about being politically correct and bending to the will of the people, Anglicanism in Africa wants to remain conservative and i think they are strong enough in their faith to stop anyone from TEC who might try to tell them that they need to change and follow the actions of TEC. i am awaiting some statement from the Archbishop of Canterbury to see what happens next.
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