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Well, my friend has all kinds of “proof” of the British Israel hypothesis. It doesn’t change his mind in the least that none of it is true.
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Daniel_Marsh
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exactly, we keep tract of who is who becaue we are all family of God.
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dosdog
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The Samaritan community, which numbered more than a million in late Roman times and only 146 in 1917, today numbers 640 people representing five large families. The Samaritans have generated great interest as a resource for mapping and cloning recessive disease genes. They are culturally different from both Jewish and non-Jewish populations in the Middle East. Genetic differences between the Samaritans and their Jewish and non-Jewish neighboring populations are corroborated in the present study of 7,280 bp of non-recombining Y-chromosome DNA and 5,218 bp of non-D loop mitochondrial sequence that were analyzed in 12 male and 16 female Samaritans separated by at least two generations, and 18 to 20 individuals each representing Ethiopian, Ashkenazi, Iraqi, Libyan, Moroccan, and Yemenite Jews, as well as Druze and Palestinians all currently living in Israel.
The five Samaritan families clustered to four distinct Y-chromosome haplogroups according to their patrilineal identity. A novel informative polymorphism, M267, defining one of these haplogroups is shared by all Jewish populations under study except the Ethiopian Jews. Fourteen of the 16 Samaritan females carry either of two unique mitochondrial haplotypes not found among any other ethnic groups representing from the five continents.
med.stanford.edu/sgtc/research/samaritan.html
Samaritans are the descendants of Jews (from the northern kingdom of Israel) who had been captured by the Assyrians in (722 BCE). For many, this biological factor alone was sufficient to make Samaritans less pure in the eyes of their fellow Jews. There were, however, religious disputes which intensified the rejection of Samaritans by Jews of the southern kingdom, Judea. The Samaritans did not acknowledge the preeminence of the Temple of Jerusalem, believing instead that the Scriptures proclaimed Mount Gerizim as God’s chosen place (the site of His covenant with Abraham, where Abraham brought his son to be sacrificed), and building their own temple there around the fourth century BCE. Additionally, they believed only in the Written Torah (Pentateuch), every word of which they believed to have been written by Moses himself, whom they revered even more than the Judeans did.
academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/dfg/jesu/topic2.htm
The five Samaritan families clustered to four distinct Y-chromosome haplogroups according to their patrilineal identity. A novel informative polymorphism, M267, defining one of these haplogroups is shared by all Jewish populations under study except the Ethiopian Jews. Fourteen of the 16 Samaritan females carry either of two unique mitochondrial haplotypes not found among any other ethnic groups representing from the five continents.
med.stanford.edu/sgtc/research/samaritan.html
Samaritans are the descendants of Jews (from the northern kingdom of Israel) who had been captured by the Assyrians in (722 BCE). For many, this biological factor alone was sufficient to make Samaritans less pure in the eyes of their fellow Jews. There were, however, religious disputes which intensified the rejection of Samaritans by Jews of the southern kingdom, Judea. The Samaritans did not acknowledge the preeminence of the Temple of Jerusalem, believing instead that the Scriptures proclaimed Mount Gerizim as God’s chosen place (the site of His covenant with Abraham, where Abraham brought his son to be sacrificed), and building their own temple there around the fourth century BCE. Additionally, they believed only in the Written Torah (Pentateuch), every word of which they believed to have been written by Moses himself, whom they revered even more than the Judeans did.
academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/dfg/jesu/topic2.htm
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dessert
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We should leave it to the Jewish Rabbiis to decide who are part of the tribes.
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Zooey
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Gee, I thought that the Lost Tribe of Israel went to Palmyra, N.Y.
Nah, I would have noticed them!!
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dolphinlove
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There was also 12 lost tribes in battlestar galactica.
I wonder if these are the lost tribes of israel
I wonder if these are the lost tribes of israel
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Montalban
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That’s circular…
Who are the Jewish Rabbiis (your spelling)?
Only they can tell you… thus…
How do you know they’re Jewish Rabbiis in order to tell you as only Jewish Rabbiis know who Jewish Rabbiis are
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Montalban
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They should have used one of these…There was also 12 lost tribes in battlestar galactica.
I wonder if these are the lost tribes of israel
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dolphinlove
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paarsurrey
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Hi
Promised Messiah 1835-1908 had mentioned detail of tracing Lost Tribes of Israel and giving evidences from the historic records in his book “Jesus in India” . I continue giving hereunder a relevant excerpt from it for interest of the members: alislam.org/library/books…india/ch4.html
In features, the Afghans have a striking resemblance to the Jews, a fact which is admitted even by those scholars who do not subscribe to the view that the Afghans are of Jewish origin. This may be the only available proof of their Jewish descent. In this connection Sir John Malcolm’s words are:
The origin of the Afghan tribes who inhabit the mountainous tract between Khorasan and the Indus is variously traced by different historians. Some assert that they are lineally descended from the Jewish tribes, made prisoners by Nebuchadnezzar, and the principal chiefs are said to trace their families to David and Saul. Although their right to this proud descent is very doubtful, it is evident from their personal appearance and many of their usages that they are a distinct race from the Persians, Tartars and Indians and this alone seem to give some credibility to a statement which is contradicted by many strong facts, and of which no direct proof has been produced.
If similarity of features between one people and another can point to anything, the Kashmiris with their Jewish features would certainly be found to be of Jewish origin. This has been mentioned not only by Bernier but also by Forster, and perhaps other scholars.
Although Forster does not accept Bernier’s opinion, he admits that when he was among the Kashmiris he thought he was amidst a Jewish people.
Regarding the word ‘Kashmiri’, there occur the following words on page 250 of A. K. Johnston’s Dictionary of Geography:
On page 250, under the heading CASHMERE:
The natives are of a tall, robust frame of body, with manly features – the women full-formed and handsome, with aquiline nose and features, resembling the Jewish.
In the Civil & Military Gazette (23 November 1898, page 4), under the heading ‘Sawati and Afridi’, there is reproduced a very valuable and interesting paper presented to the Anthropological section of the British Association at one of its recent meetings, which will be read at the winter session before the Committee on Anthropological Research. The paper is set out below:
Below we are enabled to give the complete text of the highly valuable and interesting paper contributed to the Anthropological Section at the recent meeting of the British Association, and still to be read before the Anthropological Institute at one of its winter meetings.
The original Paktan or Pathan inhabitants of these western gates of India are recognised in very early history, many of the tribes being mentioned by Herodotus and the historians of Alexander. In mediaeval times the rough uncultivated wilderness of mountains they held was called Roh, and its inhabitants Rohillas, and there can be little doubt that most of these early Rohilla or Pathan tribes were in their places long before the overlying Afghan tribes were thought of.
All Afghans whatsoever now counted as Pathans, because they all speak the Pathan language, Pushto, they acknowledge no direct kinship, claiming themselves to be Beni Israel, the descendants of those tribes who were carried captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar. All of them have, however, adopted the Pushto tongue, and all recognise the same Pathan, code of common civil observances called Paktanwali, which is, in many of its provisions, curiously suggestive both of the old Mosaic dispensation and of ancient observances of the Rajput races.
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Promised Messiah 1835-1908 had mentioned detail of tracing Lost Tribes of Israel and giving evidences from the historic records in his book “Jesus in India” . I continue giving hereunder a relevant excerpt from it for interest of the members: alislam.org/library/books…india/ch4.html
In features, the Afghans have a striking resemblance to the Jews, a fact which is admitted even by those scholars who do not subscribe to the view that the Afghans are of Jewish origin. This may be the only available proof of their Jewish descent. In this connection Sir John Malcolm’s words are:
The origin of the Afghan tribes who inhabit the mountainous tract between Khorasan and the Indus is variously traced by different historians. Some assert that they are lineally descended from the Jewish tribes, made prisoners by Nebuchadnezzar, and the principal chiefs are said to trace their families to David and Saul. Although their right to this proud descent is very doubtful, it is evident from their personal appearance and many of their usages that they are a distinct race from the Persians, Tartars and Indians and this alone seem to give some credibility to a statement which is contradicted by many strong facts, and of which no direct proof has been produced.
If similarity of features between one people and another can point to anything, the Kashmiris with their Jewish features would certainly be found to be of Jewish origin. This has been mentioned not only by Bernier but also by Forster, and perhaps other scholars.
Although Forster does not accept Bernier’s opinion, he admits that when he was among the Kashmiris he thought he was amidst a Jewish people.
Regarding the word ‘Kashmiri’, there occur the following words on page 250 of A. K. Johnston’s Dictionary of Geography:
On page 250, under the heading CASHMERE:
The natives are of a tall, robust frame of body, with manly features – the women full-formed and handsome, with aquiline nose and features, resembling the Jewish.
In the Civil & Military Gazette (23 November 1898, page 4), under the heading ‘Sawati and Afridi’, there is reproduced a very valuable and interesting paper presented to the Anthropological section of the British Association at one of its recent meetings, which will be read at the winter session before the Committee on Anthropological Research. The paper is set out below:
Below we are enabled to give the complete text of the highly valuable and interesting paper contributed to the Anthropological Section at the recent meeting of the British Association, and still to be read before the Anthropological Institute at one of its winter meetings.
The original Paktan or Pathan inhabitants of these western gates of India are recognised in very early history, many of the tribes being mentioned by Herodotus and the historians of Alexander. In mediaeval times the rough uncultivated wilderness of mountains they held was called Roh, and its inhabitants Rohillas, and there can be little doubt that most of these early Rohilla or Pathan tribes were in their places long before the overlying Afghan tribes were thought of.
All Afghans whatsoever now counted as Pathans, because they all speak the Pathan language, Pushto, they acknowledge no direct kinship, claiming themselves to be Beni Israel, the descendants of those tribes who were carried captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar. All of them have, however, adopted the Pushto tongue, and all recognise the same Pathan, code of common civil observances called Paktanwali, which is, in many of its provisions, curiously suggestive both of the old Mosaic dispensation and of ancient observances of the Rajput races.
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heisenburg
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I always find it funny when people use the lost tribes of Israel as evidence for something.
Most people have no clue what is meant by the term. The term does not refer to a lost group of Israelites that hid somewhere in the wilderness. Sorta like the legend of the Amazon Women.
Historically speaking, it is talking about something much more mundane.
Between the creation of the 12 tribes, and 0AD, the ‘lost tribes’ where not lost to the wilderness, but were lost in plain site. Conquerers came through, invaders took slaves, populations were uprooted, etc. Over time, these uprooted populations lost their identities and their culture. The only ones that really were able to withstand this were the tribes of Judea and Israel.
So, the lost tribes were lost, but not like some mythical story in some far away land, but lost in the sense that the lost their culture and became assimilated to another.
It’s much less attractive, and much less romantic, but it is a far more accurate truth
with respect Anyone that basis their faith on a “lost” tribe shows no knowledge of history, and a falsehood at its best
In Christ
Most people have no clue what is meant by the term. The term does not refer to a lost group of Israelites that hid somewhere in the wilderness. Sorta like the legend of the Amazon Women.
Historically speaking, it is talking about something much more mundane.
Between the creation of the 12 tribes, and 0AD, the ‘lost tribes’ where not lost to the wilderness, but were lost in plain site. Conquerers came through, invaders took slaves, populations were uprooted, etc. Over time, these uprooted populations lost their identities and their culture. The only ones that really were able to withstand this were the tribes of Judea and Israel.
So, the lost tribes were lost, but not like some mythical story in some far away land, but lost in the sense that the lost their culture and became assimilated to another.
It’s much less attractive, and much less romantic, but it is a far more accurate truth
with respect Anyone that basis their faith on a “lost” tribe shows no knowledge of history, and a falsehood at its best
In Christ
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dessert
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Sorry about the spelling, I’ve just been reading wiki again.That’s circular…**I’m just quoting from someone sorry can’t reveal my source, but am reading up on it. by the way he is a good “source” genuine. **
Who are the Jewish Rabbiis (your spelling)?
Only they can tell you… thus…**I’m presently trying to get more out of my source but then the forum shut down for three hours here**
How do you know they’re Jewish Rabbiis in order to tell you as only Jewish Rabbiis know who Jewish Rabbiis are
OK the rabbis(teachers) or jewish priests, who maybe would have the final decision .
To tell if someone is accepted as a member of a (hebrew) tribe?
My dh has some indian history(ancestors were cherokee) and they said all I needed was to show his fathers birth certificate, it is not so hard these days to get accepted into anything. Not sure how this works with the jews? I’m trying to find out.
Do you know Monty my “dear”
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dessert
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**THANK YOU YOU ARE THE MAN;
THE RESEARCH MAN
THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD. HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT PHRASE? 
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dessert
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Ok this has to do with what I was going to write but you seem to know more but mine is simple for my simple brain, please refute it not my brain
About 600 years before Christ, Israel was divided into two kingdoms, a northern kingdom called Israel, populated by ten of the twelve tribes, and a southern kingdom called Judah, populated by the dominant tribe of Judahites and the much smaller and less influential Benjaminites. These peo;e were called Judahites, later shortened to jews. The ten tribes of the northern kingdom wre removed from the land of Israela dn scattered in other countries of that time. They intermarreied with the local people of those countriesand completely lost their visible jewish identities. However a few tiny remnants did not intermarry but held fast to their Jewish identity. …blah blah … They continue traditions etc…These are the descendants of the ten tribes.
No one knows which are true.
What do you think of these statements.
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hanok
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The 10 tribes of Israel were apparently identifiable by the Historian Josephus. They weren’t lost per se, so long as we can connect modern peoples with those Josephus identified east of the Euphrates River in the 1st Century.
You can see his quote at my site here: Israelite quotes by Flavius Josephus and read more here: What happened to the lost tribes of Israel?
You can see his quote at my site here: Israelite quotes by Flavius Josephus and read more here: What happened to the lost tribes of Israel?
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Montalban
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See circular reasoning problem I posted.
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hanok
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I’m not sure how that is circular reasoning. Maybe I didn’t find and read the post you were referring to. Can you link directly to it somehow?
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