Trad forum

[Dauphin]

I find it interesting that those who defend Catholic tradition get so much flak, yet I’ve never heard calls for the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum to get shut down, despite the fact that the most abominable heresies are spread there.

I think conservative Catholics have chosen the wrong enemy - why not focus your efforts on getting them to behave?

 

[cathguy]

I think in general the forum is pretty uncivil.

The problem is that even if one is NOT a schismatic traditionalist, if you go on the traditional forum and post reasonable (and fully in union) traditional stuff you are POUNCED upon.

For instance, just saying that Extraordinary Form is superior to the Ordinary Form will get one labeled a heretic and one will get pounced upon.

But this is a legitimate opinion for the faithful to hold.

There are a host of other issues as well.

Mention faithful Catholic writers like Michael Davies and Eaamon Duffy and you are called a “dissenter.”

It piles up pretty quickly.

I think the problem is that there are some well meaning but uninformed Catholics who think all traditionalists are schismatic or enemies of the Holy Father and this is NOT the case.

God Bless!

 

[pnewton]

I find it interesting that those who defend Catholic tradition get so much flak, yet I’ve never heard calls for the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum to get shut down, despite the fact that the most abominable heresies are spread there.

I think conservative Catholics have chosen the wrong enemy - why not focus your efforts on getting them to behave?

I totally agree. Furthermore, so many of the Traditionalists here would be excellent defenders of the faith in other arenas. I already float between all the forums, including the apologetics and NC Religions forums. Come and join the fun.

 

[ibkc]

I think in general the forum is pretty uncivil.

The problem is that even if one is NOT a schismatic traditionalist, if you go on the traditional forum and post reasonable (and fully in union) traditional stuff you are POUNCED upon.

For instance, just saying that Extraordinary Form is superior to the Ordinary Form will get one labeled a heretic and one will get pounced upon.

But this is a legitimate opinion for the faithful to hold.

There are a host of other issues as well.

Mention faithful Catholic writers like Michael Davies and Eaamon Duffy and you are called a “dissenter.”

It piles up pretty quickly.

I think the problem is that there are some well meaning but uninformed Catholics who think all traditionalists are schismatic or enemies of the Holy Father and this is NOT the case.

Bingo, to all of this.

 

[RUINATION_IPA]

On another thread a poster mentioned bishops by name. He was not praising their pastoral efforts. He was bashing them for being pro gay, pro modernism, pro many other things that the Church finds morally wrong.You don’t post bishops names on a Catholic thread and ruin their reputation.

Are you condoning silence regarding the Bishops swapping pedophile Priests or other such scandals? These monsters need to have their deeds brought to light and there’s nothing immoral about that. Your attitude seems to be that of most of the US Bishops; scandalously silent.

Many of us have never met these men. We have no need to know if they are pro gay or pro birth control, etc.

We do need to know – and so does Rome! I would want to know if a Bishop whom I have never met is promoting homosexuality, pedophilia etc… If I’m considering moving somewhere I want to know exactly where a Bishop stands. If I’m about to send my child to some diocesan sponsored, or mandated, catechism, retreat, or what have you, I definitely want to know the mastermind behind it!

 

[cathguy]

Are you condoning silence regarding the Bishops swapping pedophile Priests or other such scandals? These monsters need to have their deeds brought to light and there’s nothing immoral about that. Your attitude seems to be that of most of the US Bishops; scandalously silent.

We do need to know – and so does Rome! I would want to know if a Bishop whom I have never met is promoting homosexuality, pedophilia etc… If I’m considering moving somewhere I want to know exactly where a Bishop stands. If I’m about to send my child to some diocesan sponsored, or mandated, catechism, retreat, or what have you, I definitely want to know the mastermind behind it!

Sounds reasonable!

 

[Walking_Home]

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Originally Posted by cathguy View Post
I think in general the forum is pretty uncivil.

The problem is that even if one is NOT a schismatic traditionalist, if you go on the traditional forum and post reasonable (and fully in union) traditional stuff you are POUNCED upon.

For instance, just saying that Extraordinary Form is superior to the Ordinary Form will get one labeled a heretic and one will get pounced upon.

But this is a legitimate opinion for the faithful to hold.

There are a host of other issues as well.

Mention faithful Catholic writers like Michael Davies and Eaamon Duffy and you are called a “dissenter.”

It piles up pretty quickly.

I think the problem is that there are some well meaning but uninformed Catholics who think all traditionalists are schismatic or enemies of the Holy Father and this is NOT the case.

Bingo, to all of this.

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Ditto

 

[pnewton]

Are you condoning silence regarding the Bishops swapping pedophile Priests or other such scandals?

JREducation did not mention or refer to peophilia, not did he say anything about persuing legitimate Catholic channels in dealing with problems, or legal channels in addressing crimes.

This place is not the place for accusations against Bishops by name. There is no recourse for them to defend their name or challenge the allegations. There is now method of presenting solid evidence. Most importantly, no one here is in authority to pursue disciplinary action against any clergy. Therefore, such talk is nothing more than idle gossip. The Catechism clearly states that people are entitled to their good name. We have no business bashing people here on CAF’s nickel.

 

[Ace86]

I think the Trad Catholic forum section is awesome!

 

[cathguy]

JREducation did not mention or refer to peophilia, not did he say anything about persuing legitimate Catholic channels in dealing with problems, or legal channels in addressing crimes.

This place is not the place for accusations against Bishops by name. There is no recourse for them to defend their name or challenge the allegations. There is now method of presenting solid evidence. Most importantly, no one here is in authority to pursue disciplinary action against any clergy. Therefore, such talk is nothing more than idle gossip. The Catechism clearly states that people are entitled to their good name. We have no business bashing people here on CAF’s nickel.

I agree that the sin of calumny is VERY wrong.

I am unfamiliar with the original posts so I will keep my mouth shut.

 

[Jenny_Z]

Wow! I’ve never seen such complaining. “They are so mean!”. If you do not agree with some of the positions, why not engage in debate? Some people have legitimate concerns and experiences. Dismissing them as “mean” and “negative” doesn’t seem very Christian at all.

You should go to the “War on Terror” forum. The things they say about our President would make the remarks in the TC forum look like a love-fest.

I apologize if this sounds harsh - I truly do not want to sound this way - but being a Public School teacher, I have little patience for whining.

There was a reason I posted this in the Staff forum…

I did engage in discussions here, in the first year I was Catholic. I found myself getting angrier and angrier at the un-charitable comments that I saw, and realized that it was really a detriment to my spiritual well-being. So I stopped coming here.

The other day, I look in here, just out of curiousity, and I immediately see a post from someone who is also confused and bewildered about the negativity and uncharitableness (if that’s a word) of some of the posters here. I sent them a PM, told them it might be best to find traditional talk on some other forum, because this one stinks, and opened the thread in the Staff forum.

I’m all for healthy debate. But there are alot of people here who seem to think being “Traditional” overrides being friendly and loving your brothers and sisters. I consider myself a Traditional Catholic, but I can’t stand this forum.

That being said, if others like it, and it’s a benefit to them, more power to them, and I’m happy. I said what I needed to say, the mod responded, and that’s that.

 

[Jenny_Z]

I find it interesting that those who defend Catholic tradition get so much flak, yet I’ve never heard calls for the “Non-Catholic Religions” forum to get shut down, despite the fact that the most abominable heresies are spread there.

I think conservative Catholics have chosen the wrong enemy - why not focus your efforts on getting them to behave?

I’m not giving flack to those who defend Catholic Tradition… I’m one of them. Just those who tend to do it in the most negative way.

And I don’t step foot in that forum. I agree that it’s horrible.

 

[OnlyAmbrose]

There was a reason I posted this in the Staff forum…

I did engage in discussions here, in the first year I was Catholic. I found myself getting angrier and angrier at the un-charitable comments that I saw, and realized that it was really a detriment to my spiritual well-being. So I stopped coming here.

The other day, I look in here, just out of curiousity, and I immediately see a post from someone who is also confused and bewildered about the negativity and uncharitableness (if that’s a word) of some of the posters here. I sent them a PM, told them it might be best to find traditional talk on some other forum, because this one stinks, and opened the thread in the Staff forum.

I’m all for healthy debate. But there are alot of people here who seem to think being “Traditional” overrides being friendly and loving your brothers and sisters. I consider myself a Traditional Catholic, but I can’t stand this forum.

That being said, if others like it, and it’s a benefit to them, more power to them, and I’m happy. I said what I needed to say, the mod responded, and that’s that.

I probably just haven’t been here long enough, but i haven’t yet seen any particularly uncharitable posts. Could someone link me to an example so I see what y’all are talking about?

edit- though generally the most uncharitable posts seem to be the ones in the threads about how uncharitable everyone in this forum is

 

[ethelzguy]

I came here, albeit a bit naive, looking for chatter about “old-school” Catholicism.

What I found, was priest bashing, bishop bashing, pope bashing, music bashing, altar girl bashing, EMHC bashing, vestment bashing, bashing of COTH, OF Mass bashing, bash, bash, bash…

So, here I am, almost 1600 posts later, defending daily, the Church and her clergy against those who so strongly feel the need to bash.

And, what would a day be, without a quote from Cardinal Arinze or Dietrich von Hildenbrand?

It is truly amazing to me that people can find so much WRONG with their Church. Why some of them stay around is beyond me.

Hard to believe that someone would subject themselves to a faith that made them so angry, frustrated, and discontented. Masochism in it’s worst form.

 

[Cat]

I came here, albeit a bit naive, looking for chatter about “old-school” Catholicism.

What I found, was priest bashing, bishop bashing, pope bashing, music bashing, altar girl bashing, EMHC bashing, vestment bashing, bashing of COTH, OF Mass bashing, bash, bash, bash…

So, here I am, almost 1600 posts later, defending daily, the Church and her clergy against those who so strongly feel the need to bash.

It is truly amazing to me that people can find so much WRONG with their Church. Why some of them stay around is beyond me.

Hard to believe that someone would subject themselves to a faith that made them so angry, frustrated, and discontented. Masochism in it’s worst form.

Another reasonable post.

We have Traditional Section. We have Non-Catholic Section. We have Eastern Section. We have Liturgy Section, which IMO would be more aptly called “Gripe Section.”

Maybe what we need is “Satisifed” or “Middle of the Road” or “Happy” Section for all of us who are convinced that the Catholic Church is doing really well and just want to share information and testimonies about all the wonderful treasures in this Church.

 

[Walking_Home]

I came here, albeit a bit naive, looking for chatter about “old-school” Catholicism.

What I found, was priest bashing, bishop bashing, pope bashing, music bashing, altar girl bashing, EMHC bashing, vestment bashing, bashing of COTH, OF Mass bashing, bash, bash, bash…

So, here I am, almost 1600 posts later, defending daily, the Church and her clergy against those who so strongly feel the need to bash.

And, what would a day be, without a quote from Cardinal Arinze or Dietrich von Hildenbrand?

It is truly amazing to me that people can find so much WRONG with their Church. Why some of them stay around is beyond me.

Hard to believe that someone would subject themselves to a faith that made them so angry, frustrated, and discontented. Masochism in it’s worst form.

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And that is suppose to be a bad thing to do in a Catholic Forum. -Well I can see where it would be considered “bad” for the “Spirit of Vat II”.

 

[ethelzguy]

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And that is suppose to be a bad thing to do in a Catholic Forum. -Well I can see where it would be considered “bad” for the “Spirit of Vat II”.

As always, good to see you in my rear-view mirror.

 

[ethelzguy]

We have Liturgy Section, which IMO would be more aptly called “Gripe Section.”

Yes, indeed. What would a week be, without somebody agonizing over how a priest held his thumb and forefingers while elevating the host at consecration?

Ms. Anthony has her hands full over there.

 

[ibkc]

I came here, albeit a bit naive, looking for chatter about “old-school” Catholicism.

What I found, was priest bashing, bishop bashing, pope bashing, music bashing, altar girl bashing, EMHC bashing, vestment bashing, bashing of COTH, OF Mass bashing, bash, bash, bash…

Don’t forget “trad bashing”, also a favored sport 'round these parts.

 

[JReducation]

And that’s heresy, is it?

There are some who believe that his scandalous actions (e.g. sanctioning prayer to false gods at Assisi, kissing the Quran) are of such a grave nature that they preclude canonization. This position doesn’t mean we can’t hope he’s in heaven; it simply means that his life cannot serve as a model to be held up as the lives of saints are.

I didn’t say it was heresy. I said it is an inappropriate comment. Whatever one believes about another person’s actions is onething. To say on a Catholic forum that one hopes someone is never canonized is unnecessary and uncharitable.

This comment disturbed me. I asked a moral theologian about it. He said that one may disagree with any person, but the hope that the Church never canonizes the person is an attack on the individual and violates charity.

We must always pray for the good. The highest good is that every Catholic be canonized. He also said that it bordered on a sin against justice, because the only person who can decide whether someone is worthy of public veneration as a saint is the Holy Father. Such a line of thinking gives the impression that the individual who made the statement is assuming the authority to make a judgment that is not his or hers to make. When we assume someone else’s authority, we violate justice. He also said that it is not a necessary statement, because it does nothing to proclaim the faith of the Church. It focuses on one person, in this case Pope John Paul II. The assumption is that these discussions are about the faith, not about individuals.

JR